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[fluffywalrus]

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

fluffywalrus wrote...

That said, I can see where some might have wanted IT included somewhere in refusing the starkid AI, but I'm really thankful Bioware decided not to do that.

Agreed.

- minor EC spoiler below -







And so, I have the night off thanks to some horrible bug I caught off someone yesterday... is it too much of a minefield to try and tackle a reunion scene, seeing as we didn't get one?

I don't think it's too much of a minefield. If that's the direction your Shep's journey takes, or any version of your Sheps take, then by all means

Modifié par fluffywalrus, 26 juin 2012 - 07:27 .

[noxiuniversitas1]

fluffywalrus wrote...

I don't think it's too much of a minefield. If that's the direction your Shep's journey takes, or any version of your Sheps take, then by all means

Haha, NoV is feeling very neglected... all these one-shots just keep edging it out of my small brain!

Edit: Gaaaah, actually, my head hurts, so it probably won't happen tonight. Screen's too bright

Modifié par noxiuniversitas1, 26 juin 2012 - 07:34 .

[lillitheris]

The EC works for me, I must say. I’m not happy, as such, but it’s OK — and doesn’t force me do anything with Unity.

As a study in writing, they managed to introduce much of the needed emotional closure (elaborated here. Spoilers, obviously.)

[lillitheris]

fluffywalrus wrote...

IliyaMoroumetz wrote...

Not to mention I feel a tad insulted with the 'Refusal' ending, which is nothing more than BW throwing a tantrum and giving you the finger.

But that's the only way the refusal ending makes sense.

I view the Refusal ending as not an ending itself, but an enhancement of Destroy. It lets you see the real Catalyst…and know* it was trying to get you to select either Synthesis or Control instead, and maybe even exaggerated/downplayed certain aspects.

(*Headcanon applies, void where prohibited.)

[hot_heart]

I would've loved a 'refusal' ending more like the end of Blackadder Goes Forth but the set-up rendered that impossible.

I have to give the new endings some credit. They almost swayed me towards picking Control...but, no, that just feels wrong. Destroy it will have to be...

And, that out the way, back to writing....

[PMC65]

I can't help but get tickled at how everyone is responding to the EC ... Heck, anything other than what was originally given would seem good. If people moved back and thought how the extended cut appears would that really have been called good in their first playthrough?

Put crap in my mouth and as I spit it out give me a glass of sour milk to wash it out ... sour milk wouldn't taste so bad in that moment. Just a thought.

[ladyvader]

lillitheris wrote...

fluffywalrus wrote...

IliyaMoroumetz wrote...

Not to mention I feel a tad insulted with the 'Refusal' ending, which is nothing more than BW throwing a tantrum and giving you the finger.

But that's the only way the refusal ending makes sense.

I view the Refusal ending as not an ending itself, but an enhancement of Destroy. It lets you see the real Catalyst…and know* it was trying to get you to select either Synthesis or Control instead, and maybe even exaggerated/downplayed certain aspects.

(*Headcanon applies, void where prohibited.)

I knew back in March the Catalyst was wanting Shepard to pick either control or synthesis.   Which is why I  never pick them. 

[lillitheris]

PMC65 wrote...

I can't help but get tickled at how everyone is responding to the EC ... Heck, anything other than what was originally given would seem good. If people moved back and thought how the extended cut appears would that really have been called good in their first playthrough?

I think it would have mollified a majority of the upset people. It’s a finished game, at least.

It’s not great, and it doesn’t make a lot of sense…but it’s (more or less) emotionally satisfying.

It could be, of course, that my perception is colored by apathy/time or perhaps the fact that it hit most of the points in my ending compromise thread — which I’ve been using on basis of “Unity”.

[hot_heart]

Quite frankly, I'm more disappointed with how incredibly lacklustre the Earth section was (and that last fight is so goddamn finicky and fussy for vanguards).

...and I just don't have the energy for frustration anymore. What's done is done.

[hot_heart]

Question: is it possible to make a salarian appear too friendly/playful?

I mean, I know they don't all have asperger's but, sometimes, I do get that was the writers' intention...

[noxiuniversitas1]

Definitely have never gotten the impression Salarians have Asperger's... from a clinical perspective, at least.

So no, I don't think you can make them too friendly

[hot_heart]

Good, thanks!

I think Mordin has ruined all salarians for me. Trying not to make mine sound like him, but not too outgoing, since I think that's part of their cautious nature. Maybe I'm being racist?!

And I was thinking more in terms of Abed in Community. The TV version of Asperger's.

Modifié par hot_heart, 26 juin 2012 - 09:34 .

[Drussius]

I agree about Mordin coloring all Salarians for me as well. Of course, I like Salarians and I really liked the cadence of Mordin's dialogue. I have been writing a Salarian a little in my story and I think his dialogue may read as Mordin-esque, but I decided not to care. I like the abbreviated type of speech that Salarians seem to favor.

[hot_heart]

Yeah, I love Mordin and his...*inhale* mannerisms (probably my second favourite character). I just don't want to write a Mordin-like non-Mordin because...well, because that would be weird and ruins the novelty.

Though I do think salarian speech patterns do take on that general style (so does my Miranda. Oops.)

[Icyflare]

Meh. Just got up and watched the endings.

There were a lot of little elements I liked, but overall, the EC just feels like a little bandage slapped over a gaping wound. Yes, it provides closure of a sort, but a lot of factors that made the original endings so provocative are still there (Star Child, the whole choose for the galaxy thing). In my opinion, the EC is a pretty bandage, but the wound shouldn't have been there in the first place.

Hopefully with the EC, we can all move on in our gaming lives. Sorry about the mini-rant.

[Drussius]

I definitely was speaking solely of the speech patterns, not the mannerisms. I certainly don't want a Mordin clone in my story. I like Mordin the Original.

[hot_heart]

Oh, I wasn't disagreeing or anything. I think Mordin-esque is good. It is, like, five degrees below Mordin-like.

[lillitheris]

Go Mordin and then go back to extend a few phrases, or other way around

I have Kirrahe just dropping ‘unnecessary’ prepositions and such.

[Drussius]

lillitheris wrote...

Go Mordin and then go back to extend a few phrases, or other way around

I have Kirrahe just dropping ‘unnecessary’ prepositions and such.

LOL. This is EXACTLY how I've been writing my Salarian. I start with Mordin and then go back and add a word here and there to make it just a little less brief.

[hot_heart]

"Never go full Mordin."

[fainmaca]

Ugh. Just spent two solid days travelling, and then I get back to the storm Bioware kicked up. A bit late, but I'd like to add to this topic:

hot_heart wrote...
In the interest of the thread, though, I think everyone should share a sentence or passage of theirs that they found 'risky' or memorable in some odd way.

For 'risky', I think the best example of that in ITU was when I had one of Miranda's 'children' die. The death of a child is always something that you need to be careful about (unless you're Bioware), as a lot of people can find it distasteful, but I needed a really emotional scene for Miranda (and for Shepard, I guess). I have another example of a risky scene, but it hasn't been published yet. It will cheese a lot of people off.

As for the most memorable, I'd say it's either the fight between Jack and Shepard OR the death of Sha'ira. Both have different buttons they push. The fight is intense, intimate, and frantic. After writing it, i recalled Jack saying in ME2 that she was conditioned to experience a high during a fight, so that made me realise her fight with Shepard was literally better than sex for her. As for Sha'ira, I really managed to get some emotion in there, and I actually got a little teary while I was running the scene through my head. Septimus just played out perfectly throughout the scene.

P.S. I watched the EC on YouTube as I refuse to download it and give BW the satisfaction of seeing yet another download. I am now so angry I could vomit. Guess my ME3 disc is going on the junkpile.

[MrStoob]

lillitheris wrote...

The EC works for me, I must say. I’m not happy, as such, but it’s OK — and doesn’t force me do anything with Unity.

As a study in writing, they managed to introduce much of the needed emotional closure (elaborated here. Spoilers, obviously.)

+1

It did what a lot of us wanted it to do.

[noxiuniversitas1]

Hmm. The riskiest thing I've written is to try and capture someone's dying thoughts. Don't read if you've already read 15 seconds:

15 Seconds. That is all I have left. I had so little in my life, but at least I had time. Time with you. And suddenly, that time is gone. I wish you could understand how desperately I want to be with you, how much I want to shield you from harm and hurt and evil, how much I have, I want, to tell you, and how much anguish it causes me to know that I cannot.

As I clutch at my ruptured suit, the memories of all those blissful moments with you come creeping over me, doing valiant battle against the claws of death. Your timid, sweet smile, your soulful blue eyes, your gentle, calming touches on my wrist. The way your face lit up when we toured the museums of Earth, your soft hum as you tasted the meal we had prepared together, and how you led me to rediscover my passion for music, for love, for life.
I am so grateful to have these memories, but despair overwhelms me at the prospect of losing them, at the burning ashes of my hopes for our future years. I had you, but still I chose to fight an enemy no one would even acknowledge. I wish I had let myself be happier, let us be happier, that I had the courage to express my feelings, to live selfishly for you, for us, for the family we could have had.

I adore you, Liara. You are my pride, my most cherished fortune, and my eyes and heart desire you above all things. All the happiness in my life, I owe to you. I am so sorry I could never show you how much your love meant to me; you had everything to give, and I, nothing. If I could turn back the clock, go back to our time on Earth, I would. I would tell you, “I love you,” even as you pressed yourself into me, mind, body and soul. I would hold you tight and never let you go, never leave you again. I would tell you of the family I so desperately crave, the children I long to share with you. But I had my chance, and I let it pass me by.

My chest is burning, my heart beating wildly, even as my sorrow wrenches it asunder. My throat is thick and my body shakes, but I cannot even sob; there is no air for my cries. Forgive me, Liara. Forgive my faults, forgive the pains and torment I have caused you. My initial mistrust, my reckless abandon as time and time again, I left your side, attempting to martyr myself for causes so insignificant compared to you. I am a fool. And your mother… I wept for the suffering I caused you when I ended her life; mourned your innocence, which I so senselessly ripped away. I am sorry, Liara, for everything.

My lungs are burning; my head light. I cannot fight any longer, so these thoughts must be my last. I only wish you could hear them.

Liara, my love for you is deathless. I have loved you since the day you melted my cold heart, and I will love you long after I am no longer here to say it. Wherever I am, I will always, always be with you, during the brightest day or the darkest night. I will be the warm ray of sunshine embracing you and soothing your skin, the kiss of the soft breeze upon your cheek, the tender caress of the grass underfoot. Do not grieve for me, do not think me dead. Just know that I have gone to wait for you, for we shall meet again someday.

It’s ok, Liara…

It’s o...

Modifié par noxiuniversitas1, 26 juin 2012 - 11:53 .

[MrStoob]

PMC65 wrote...
 If people moved back and thought how the extended cut appears would that really have been called good in their first playthrough? 

Personally, yes.  Because I'd know what just happened if nothing else.

[lillitheris]

hot_heart wrote...

"Never go full Mordin."

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