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[noxiuniversitas1]

Hrrmmmm... a little help, guys... what would be a realistic time frame for the Normandy to travel back to Earth?

[Icyflare]

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

Hrrmmmm... a little help, guys... what would be a realistic time frame for the Normandy to travel back to Earth?

Depends on where the hell they crashed.

[noxiuniversitas1]

Icyflare wrote...

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

Hrrmmmm... a little help, guys... what would be a realistic time frame for the Normandy to travel back to Earth?

Depends on where the hell they crashed.

Well... obviously

But since it's not specified... I assume Joker wouldn't jump too far. A year?

[lillitheris]

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

Hrrmmmm... a little help, guys... what would be a realistic time frame for the Normandy to travel back to Earth?

Well, we know it's a magic planet since there are none within 10 hours of FTL travel, let alone 10 minutes... How is this for theory: the wave is much faster than ship FTL, and it gave them a tailwind of sorts? I would still put it in a couple hundred ly at most range, so ~1-2 months max, counting refueling delays.

Or make it a planet nearby a relay that eventually gets fixed.

[noxiuniversitas1]

^ Did Joker not make a mass relay jump?

[CrazyGreggy]

I'm calling it 3 weeks and will write any future fic accordingly, so nyah.

Oh god, how old am I?

[Drussius]

15 light years (approximately) can be traveled in a day's cruise, according to the mass effect wiki. I have no idea exactly how much distance is between various systems used in the game, but given that sort of travel time, I believe there's something like 50 systems that could be reached in a day from the Sol system. With that as a possible frame of reference, it might be possible to make a reasonable guess about the time required for travel. 1-2 months is probably a pretty fair guess.

[noxiuniversitas1]

Ah ok, thanks for the input. It was the only piece of information missing from my happy ending

[Icyflare]

I support this happy ending. Another one-shot?

[lillitheris]

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

^ Did Joker not make a mass relay jump?

As far as we see, no. The only way that would have been possible is a jump directly to Charon, but the rendezvous could not have been there if the ships weren’t  jumping as a single mass. Also, cinematic is too long for relay so this would have been post-that.

Have I mentioned how much it bothers me they retconned using FTL inside systems? Well, OK, I look past it. But if you go into too much detail... Maybe part of the plan was disabling the safeties on the FTL navigators, and accepting a few colliding with stuff. Especially with that battle debris everywhere.


...Yeah, I still prefer my version (chapters 1-3 if you’ve not seen).

[noxiuniversitas1]

Icyflare wrote...

I support this happy ending. Another one-shot?

Yus, I seem to have caught a one-shot bug. It's finished, but I'm hesitant about publishing it. Maybe some time tomorrow

[noxiuniversitas1]

lillitheris wrote...

As far as we see, no. The only way that would have been possible is a jump directly to Charon, but the rendezvous could not have been there if the ships weren’t  jumping as a single mass. Also, cinematic is too long for relay so this would have been post-that.

Ahhh ok, cheers for the clarification

[Sweawm]

I'm currently mulling over a new Post Ending Fan Fic, contemplating the different endings we were presented.

Resist is awesome and all; Shepard finally true to character, but being wiped out isn't fun at all.

Control... Shepard is kind of creepy as a Reaper. Plus, any story can't have any real threat since the Reapers are now 'guardians' of the galaxy/

Synthesis... Also creepy. I feel like its the Catalyst's own vision of utopia (Distopia in my opinion) where everything should be the same and the Reapers probably rule.

Destroy: Only happy ending. Nuff said.

[fluffywalrus]

Sweawm wrote...

I'm currently mulling over a new Post Ending Fan Fic, contemplating the different endings we were presented.

Resist is awesome and all; Shepard finally true to character, but being wiped out isn't fun at all.

Control... Shepard is kind of creepy as a Reaper. Plus, any story can't have any real threat since the Reapers are now 'guardians' of the galaxy/

Synthesis... Also creepy. I feel like its the Catalyst's own vision of utopia (Distopia in my opinion) where everything should be the same and the Reapers probably rule.

Destroy: Only happy ending. Nuff said.

I'll disagree with Destroy being a happy ending. You know, genocide and potential immense survivor's guilt, and all.
I'll have to wait until tomorrow to do my synthesis run, but so far I've really liked the changes made to the endings, and Destroy was well done, if really sad and heartbreaking still.

[Ursakar]

@fluffywalrus

Destroy leads to genocide only because the Godchild say so. But he says it himself that he is the collective mind of the Reapers. It is well known that Reapers like to mislead people, therefore every thing he says should not be taken for granted. He even took the image of a child so that you would feel sympathetic. If you shoot him or choose to refuse he reveals his real voice.

He also says that you're partly synthetic and that you will die. Which obviously doesn't happen. Which means he is either mistaken or he lies.

And the last thing: Catalist himself says that if you choose Destroy "the technology we use would be destroyed but we will be able to repair it". I know I'm clinging to a straw but think about this - EDI was created by humans, the geth was created by the quarians. Following Catalist's own logic even if they get destroyed we will be able to repair them.

Which means no genocide. And while we will struggle to rebuild it is actually a happy ending. Blue children, house on Ranoch, drinks with Garrus on the beach... You know, all the good stuff.

[IliyaMoroumetz]

Urs:
Would you mind it if I took your reasoning so I can spare EDI and the Geth?

I mean, speaking for myself, I had a feeling that the whole thing between the Quarians and the Geth was going to come to a head eventually. Was actually waiting for it since ME1. I also liked how it resolved on Rannoch peacefully... despite someone stating that it was a copout. Bah!

[Icyflare]

Has anyone seen the thread on a Leviathan of Dis possible DLC? Could be a hoax, but it's a very elaborate one. Looks like it has some lines from LIs in there and other teammates.

[fluffywalrus]

Ursakar wrote...

@fluffywalrus

Destroy leads to genocide only because the Godchild say so. But he says it himself that he is the collective mind of the Reapers. It is well known that Reapers like to mislead people, therefore every thing he says should not be taken for granted. He even took the image of a child so that you would feel sympathetic. If you shoot him or choose to refuse he reveals his real voice.

He also says that you're partly synthetic and that you will die. Which obviously doesn't happen. Which means he is either mistaken or he lies.

And the last thing: Catalist himself says that if you choose Destroy "the technology we use would be destroyed but we will be able to repair it". I know I'm clinging to a straw but think about this - EDI was created by humans, the geth was created by the quarians. Following Catalist's own logic even if they get destroyed we will be able to repair them.

Which means no genocide. And while we will struggle to rebuild it is actually a happy ending. Blue children, house on Ranoch, drinks with Garrus on the beach... You know, all the good stuff.

I know it's only because the AI says so, but that's all Shep has to go on at the time. Shep doesn't know she has a chance of living if she destroys the Reapers and whatnot. Even if Shep feels the AI's not trustworthy, could the AI not be capable of making the blastwave more vague when erupting from the citadel? As a parting shot for destroying it?

I mean, I don't think that it's a coincidence that all of the options you're given are self-serving for the AI. Each and every one accomplishes what it wants, to some degree. Yeah, the crucible might have changed some of its variables and algorithms, but it's hardly lacking a position of power, IMO.

So yeah, it's genocide because the AI decided it was necessary, and from what I can tell, that's what happens. The geth die, EDI dies, or at least their individualistic sentient processes died, destroying their personalities at the very very least.
Compare that with the other two, where sentient species and individuals do NOT have to die en masse, and I would say that it's equally as sad of an ending.

Yeah, the geth and EDI can be rebuilt, but it was the reaper code that made them who they were in the end, what made them closer to organics, and what helped them understand organic processes better. I'm not sure there's any possibility of THAT being rebuilt, without considerable moral cost.

I just can't see Destroy as any happier of an ending than Synthesis. As usual, I totally ignore the control ending because I can't fathom my Sheps ever, EVER choosing that. They'd refuse before they went control.

[Ursakar]

@fluffywalrus

My Shepard would never choose Synthesis. Especially when the Catalyst says "It's an ideal solution!!!"

Anyway, I only offered my reasoning why we could consider Destroy ending as a good one. But if you stick to the BW canon then it indeed states that EDI and the geth were destroyed (You can see EDI name on the memorial during the epilogue). It was BioWare's decision to make it so that there will not be a true "Good Ending".

Which I consider to be a bad decision. I mean it's a game. There should be at least one solution that offers a happy end so that the people could believe, even for a brief moment, that despite the odds everything is going to be okay.

As the asari scientist on Illium, the one that lost both of her daughters, said: There is enough grief in this galaxy. We (or BioWare in our case) don't have to add more to it.

[Caligno]

I went through with my canon Shepard (did the blue ending) and I'm very impressed. They managed to do exactly what I wanted. My faith in the company has been restored.

[Sweawm]

Icyflare wrote...

Has anyone seen the thread on a Leviathan of Dis possible DLC? Could be a hoax, but it's a very elaborate one. Looks like it has some lines from LIs in there and other teammates.

The DLC lines are extracted directly from the Extended Cut files itself. No hoax, unless Bioware is playing with us. 

While the script is unlabelled on what character is talking, you can clearly spot the Liara LI lines because they are so creepy... 

[fluffywalrus]

Ursakar wrote...

@fluffywalrus

My Shepard would never choose Synthesis. Especially when the Catalyst says "It's an ideal solution!!!"

Anyway,
I only offered my reasoning why we could consider Destroy ending as a
good one. But if you stick to the BW canon then it indeed states that
EDI and the geth were destroyed (You can see EDI name on the memorial
during the epilogue). It was BioWare's decision to make it so that there
will not be a true "Good Ending".

Which I consider to be a bad
decision. I mean it's a game. There should be at least one solution that
offers a happy end so that the people could believe, even for a brief
moment, that despite the odds everything is going to be okay.

As
the asari scientist on Illium, the one that lost both of her daughters,
said: There is enough grief in this galaxy. We (or BioWare in our case)
don't have to add more to it.

I kind of think it's good that no ending is better than the others. It means there's no easy answer. I think they tried to emulate the Deus Ex: HR endings in that way, except they failed a fair bit on the build-up toward it, and making the ending fairly transparent. They fixed enough of it with the EC, but I still feel that they tried to take the best parts of DX:HR without really applying it fully to the themes of the game. :\\

I'm super fine with the sacrifice bits, that every ending has you losing part of what you fought for, what you gained. That's just me though. I know there are many others who wanted an ending where you don't lose anything or anyone. I just think it's a disservice to what's gone on through ME3 and through the entire series. The scale of the danger and risk is exponentially higher than in ME1 and ME2, so I feel it's fitting that the losses be more than faceless strangers on varying planets. Especially considering the galaxy didn't heed your warnings in ME1 or ME2, and were fully unprepared. For an "unconventional" weapon against the reapers to fall into their hands coincidentally, and for there to be no catch...it would be pretty hollow, imo. All that tension built through the series would have been lessened by that. These creatures have been extinguishing life for millenia, there's no way they wouldn't have a backup plan. Bioware was smart to add one.

Sure, a "happy" ending would have been nice for a bit, but it would have been more forgettable(unless of course, there were scenes detailing blue babies, or house building on Rannoch, which would likely make it a better ending, if still somewhat hollow). I fully went into ME3 expecting Shep to die...she died to the Collectors, there's no way she was getting out of the Reaper war alive. She's on the frontlines far too often to evade death so often. I just couldn't see a way, and I feel completely fine regarding Shep's death, even if it's really sad.

In the end, between ME3's launch and the EC, I came up with my own ending that satisfied all my needs, and I'm rather pleased with it. This EC is just bonus fun. Plus, I loved the scene in EC with Falere and Samara on Thessia(?)  Samara really deserves to connect with her daughter after all this.

Only big thing I could think of that Bioware could have improved upon was the Normandy pickup scene before the beam. The Normandy should have distracted/temporarily incapacitated harbinger with a Thanix beam, giving Joker time to do the pickup without Harbinger just sitting around letting it happen. That's pretty much my only complaint from the EC.

Caligno wrote...

I went through with my canon Shepard (did the blue ending) and I'm very impressed. They managed to do exactly what I wanted. My faith in the company has been restored.

Glad you enjoyed it.

Sweawm wrote...

The DLC lines are extracted directly from the Extended Cut files itself. No hoax, unless Bioware is playing with us. 

While
the script is unlabelled on what character is talking, you can clearly
spot the Liara LI lines because they are so creepy... 

Liara's creepy? News to me.

But I'd be up for new DLC if it's good. I'd prefer Omega DLC, but whatever. Wasn't the Leviathan of Dis prior to the ME series entirely, though? And wouldn't it be taken care of by whatever decision Shep makes along the way? Or, if it's a pre-ending DLC, it's still a bit unnecessary to help out the batarians, who would be incredibly antagonistic to Shep, and have generally been jerks throughout the series...add onto that the probability of them being indoctrinated, and it's probably best to ignore, considering there are more important priorities.

Modifié par fluffywalrus, 27 juin 2012 - 08:26 .

[Icyflare]

Sweawm wrote...

Icyflare wrote...

Has anyone seen the thread on a Leviathan of Dis possible DLC? Could be a hoax, but it's a very elaborate one. Looks like it has some lines from LIs in there and other teammates.

The DLC lines are extracted directly from the Extended Cut files itself. No hoax, unless Bioware is playing with us. 

While the script is unlabelled on what character is talking, you can clearly spot the Liara LI lines because they are so creepy... 

They're not really that creepy, although one did make me go o_O. I actually have trouble distinguishing between the Ashley/Kaiden lines, because a lot of their wording overlaps. The concept itself is interesting, shows the Reapers are even more falliable than we imagine. I did kinda prefer them better as horrific, Lovecraft-inspired, incomprensible space monsters, but we could do a lot of theories and ideas based on what this gives us.

Here's the link to the extracted script: Leviathan of Dis extraction

Edit: I think the DLC might play into your war assets more, because you can apparently ally yourself with Leviathan, the rogue Reaper, to help out in the fight. 

The batarians are pretty much doomed in Mass Effect 3. I'm sure not all of them are arrogant, colony-raiding jerks, but if they provide valuable assets, it would be a good use of Shepard's time to help them out.

Modifié par Icyflare, 27 juin 2012 - 08:37 .

[fluffywalrus]

Icyflare wrote...

Sweawm wrote...

Icyflare wrote...

Has anyone seen the thread on a Leviathan of Dis possible DLC? Could be a hoax, but it's a very elaborate one. Looks like it has some lines from LIs in there and other teammates.

The DLC lines are extracted directly from the Extended Cut files itself. No hoax, unless Bioware is playing with us. 

While the script is unlabelled on what character is talking, you can clearly spot the Liara LI lines because they are so creepy... 

They're not really that creepy, although one did make me go o_O. I actually have trouble distinguishing between the Ashley/Kaiden lines, because a lot of their wording overlaps. The concept itself is interesting, shows the Reapers are even more falliable than we imagine. I did kinda prefer them better as horrific, Lovecraft-inspired, incomprensible space monsters, but we could do a lot of theories and ideas based on what this gives us.

Here's the link to the extracted script: Leviathan of Dis extraction

Edit: I think the DLC might play into your war assets more, because you can apparently ally yourself with Leviathan, the rogue Reaper, to help out in the fight. 

The batarians are pretty much doomed in Mass Effect 3. I'm sure not all of them are arrogant, colony-raiding jerks, but if they provide valuable assets, it would be a good use of Shepard's time to help them out.

I just that that, with the Batarians nearly wiped out from taking the initial brunt of the invasion, I can't see them being anywhere near as worthwhile as the Salarians(who abstain from helping if you cure the genophage). Or expanding on the Elcor/Volus/Hanar/Drell.

I mean, I'm certain not all batarians or jerks, or perhaps even the majority. However, they'd be so depleted by that point, that it would be a heavy risk with a mediocre priiiize.

[Ursakar]

fluffywalrus wrote...
Plus, I loved the scene in EC with Falere and Samara on Thessia(?)  Samara really deserves to connect with her daughter after all this.

Agreed, I liked that scene too.

Also, I have question: Now that the story of Shepard is trully over, does any of you think that people will start to lose interest in ME fanfiction? And that our stories will get less and less readers because people will start to switch to other fandoms. How long do you think the interest to ME will last?