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[fluffywalrus]

Ursakar wrote...

fluffywalrus wrote...
Plus, I loved the scene in EC with Falere and Samara on Thessia(?)  Samara really deserves to connect with her daughter after all this.

Agreed, I liked that scene too.

Also, I have question: Now that the story of Shepard is trully over, does any of you think that people will start to lose interest in ME fanfiction? And that our stories will get less and less readers because people will start to switch to other fandoms. How long do you think the interest to ME will last?

Unsure. I think that it could endure for a while, though the readership will likely drop off a decent amount across the next 6 months. I know I'll still remain active for as long as I can. I enjoy reading about the ME universe, and seeing different takes on the in game events and everything before/in-between/after. It's fun.

That said, you never know. Look at Harry Potter...dead franchise all things considered, but still wildly popular.

Modifié par fluffywalrus, 27 juin 2012 - 08:51 .

[lillitheris]

fluffywalrus wrote...

I know it's only because the AI says so, but that's all Shep has to go on at the time. Shep doesn't know she has a chance of living if she destroys the Reapers and whatnot. Even if Shep feels the AI's not trustworthy, could the AI not be capable of making the blastwave more vague when erupting from the citadel? As a parting shot for destroying it?

I think it says that synthetic life will be. It’s unreasonable to assume it would be everything synthetic, or all computers or something, there’d be nothing left. It therefore needs to be targeting software, firmware, and/or hardware that’s unique to supporting AIs. I doubt even VIs would be affected — if they were, it’s unlikely the Crucible could even finish firing.

So I think that overall, Shepard would know that he or she is not at risk of death from the pulse itself, because insofar as I know, all his synthetic components are unintelligent.

This gave me a reasonable way to work with it…

Modifié par lillitheris, 27 juin 2012 - 08:52 .

[Sweawm]

fluffywalrus wrote...

Sweawm wrote...

The DLC lines are extracted directly from the Extended Cut files itself. No hoax, unless Bioware is playing with us. 

While
the script is unlabelled on what character is talking, you can clearly
spot the Liara LI lines because they are so creepy... 

Liara's creepy? News to me.

"I don't want any tentacled creature inside your mind... except me." - Liara
It dosn't say who says that line; all dialog is devoid of any labels on who is actually talking but but you can make a pretty accurate guess for most of them. Seems like the new DLC might actually have squad and LI dialog. 

I admit I'm not a big fan of Liara; not as a character, but just Bioware's handling of it. 

Modifié par Sweawm, 27 juin 2012 - 08:57 .

[fluffywalrus]

Sweawm wrote...

fluffywalrus wrote...

Sweawm wrote...

The DLC lines are extracted directly from the Extended Cut files itself. No hoax, unless Bioware is playing with us. 

While
the script is unlabelled on what character is talking, you can clearly
spot the Liara LI lines because they are so creepy... 

Liara's creepy? News to me.

"I don't want any tentacled creature inside your mind... except me." - Liara
It dosn't say who says that line; all dialog is devoid of any labels on who is actually talking but but you can make a pretty accurate guess for most of them. Seems like the new DLC might actually have squad and LI dialog. 

I admit I'm not a big fan of Liara; not as a character, but just Bioware's handling of it. 

I think that's a pretty cheeky line myself, but to each their own. I'll admit that during ME2 pre-LotSB, I was a bit miffed about their handling of Liara, but from LotSB and onward(and well as throughout ME1), I felt she was done quite well. She's grown a lot over the span of the series, and it's been rewarding to see that from game to game. IMO, of course.

[fluffywalrus]

lillitheris wrote...

fluffywalrus wrote...

I know it's only because the AI says so, but that's all Shep has to go on at the time. Shep doesn't know she has a chance of living if she destroys the Reapers and whatnot. Even if Shep feels the AI's not trustworthy, could the AI not be capable of making the blastwave more vague when erupting from the citadel? As a parting shot for destroying it?

I think it says that synthetic life will be. It’s unreasonable to assume it would be everything synthetic, or all computers or something, there’d be nothing left. It therefore needs to be targeting software, firmware, and/or hardware that’s unique to supporting AIs. I doubt even VIs would be affected — if they were, it’s unlikely the Crucible could even finish firing.

So I think that overall, Shepard would know that he or she is not at risk of death from the pulse itself, because insofar as I know, all his synthetic components are unintelligent.

This gave me a reasonable way to work with it…

True. I think the personal jab on Shep's implants was a (not so) clever ruse. But I can imagine it targeting likfe like EDI and the geth who have evolved through reaper code/tech. I'm pretty sure it would destroy all synthetics, just synthetic life, as you say, especially that which is reliant on reaper code/tech.

My point on Shep not knowing if she'd live is based on the fact that the citadel is in orbit above the earth, Shep is quite grievously wounded, and if that area of the crucible explodes, it's unlikely she'd survive, let alone make it back to the teleporter beam. I mean, you need to shoot a big red canister that explodes eventually. I don't see that as good survival odds. My point wasn't really focused on the synthetics aspect, but I just figured that no way Shep's getting off the Citadel before the explosion kills her and potentially spaces her again, given the potential damage to the citadel and how hurt she is.

[fainmaca]

Ursakar wrote...
Also, I have question: Now that the story of Shepard is trully over, does any of you think that people will start to lose interest in ME fanfiction? And that our stories will get less and less readers because people will start to switch to other fandoms. How long do you think the interest to ME will last?

I can't say for sure, but its not looking good. A lot of us are still unsatisfied with the EC, and so a lot of creative people are leaving the franchise behind. A lot of fans that I refer to as the 'Old Guard' have already said their goodbyes (JLT and AshiraShepard included). As the pool of creative people dwindles, readers are going to find less and less to keep them involved in this franchise, and will move on to the next big thing.

I'm staying because I've already sunk a year and a half into ITU and I'm not gonna let that go to waste, but once I'm done with that I'm out of here. The original endings were total garbage, and the EC, IMO, is next to no improvement. As a fan, I find it an insult to all the time, money and emotion I have invested in supporting this franchise. As a writer, I find it an insult to my craft that this can be considered a professional creation in any way.

[karushna5]

I loved synthesis so much I am thinking of writing a short thing on my version of it with two characters. Janitorial Electrical System, JES who calls himself Vigor, a droid who through meddling of a lonely genius was a full AI before green wave, and a Krogan named Jargol Ladron who is uneasy with the whole thing and wants to headbutt a reaper. They start a criminal organization. Although my main point is to bring up different aspects of the world as I see it after Synthesis. Including a whole lot of bad stuff.

Problem is I hardly write and when I do it is never what I intend. Used to be told I have a talent for it, but never really believed that. i was wondering if Betas and perhaps better writers could give advice?

[noxiuniversitas1]

HAPPY ENDINGS FOR EVERYONE!

Err, yeah... over-excited yelling like that.

Modifié par noxiuniversitas1, 27 juin 2012 - 01:08 .

[Sialater]

Ursakar wrote...

@fluffywalrus

Destroy leads to genocide only because the Godchild say so. But he says it himself that he is the collective mind of the Reapers. It is well known that Reapers like to mislead people, therefore every thing he says should not be taken for granted. He even took the image of a child so that you would feel sympathetic. If you shoot him or choose to refuse he reveals his real voice.

He also says that you're partly synthetic and that you will die. Which obviously doesn't happen. Which means he is either mistaken or he lies.

And the last thing: Catalist himself says that if you choose Destroy "the technology we use would be destroyed but we will be able to repair it". I know I'm clinging to a straw but think about this - EDI was created by humans, the geth was created by the quarians. Following Catalist's own logic even if they get destroyed we will be able to repair them.

Which means no genocide. And while we will struggle to rebuild it is actually a happy ending. Blue children, house on Ranoch, drinks with Garrus on the beach... You know, all the good stuff.

This is currently my own reasoning.  That, like the Relays, they're deactivated.  

Besides, can the Normandy actually operate without EDI?  She does more than cyberwarfare.  Especially after being unshackled.

Modifié par Sialater, 27 juin 2012 - 02:25 .

[lillitheris]

^ Hooray for happy endings! It’s an interesting perspective, having to handle the time and uncertainty.

I went the ‘easier’ way, I suppose, in that respect — could be because I really don’t like uncertainty.

[Sialater]

I just want to say that suddenly... the Dark Ritual doesn't look so twisted.

[lillitheris]

Sialater wrote...

Besides, can the Normandy actually operate without EDI?  She does more than cyberwarfare.  Especially after being unshackled.

Spoiler: I went with yes, since it was built with the spec that EDI was a VI. However, the transition may not be seamless. And a slightly more elaborate geth/EDI plot

Modifié par lillitheris, 27 juin 2012 - 02:28 .

[noxiuniversitas1]

lillitheris wrote...

^ Hooray for happy endings! It’s an interesting perspective, having to handle the time and uncertainty.

I went the ‘easier’ way, I suppose, in that respect — could be because I really don’t like uncertainty.

Thanks, and also for leaving a review

[Sialater]

lillitheris wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Besides, can the Normandy actually operate without EDI?  She does more than cyberwarfare.  Especially after being unshackled.

Spoiler: I went with yes, since it was built with the spec that EDI was a VI. However, the transition may not be seamless. And a slightly more elaborate geth/EDI plot

Not sure I follow.  The Alliance didn't build the Normandy.  It repaired it.  And Traynor and Adams both say things were fixed almost before they noticed them.   Cerberus built it, knowing it would have an AI on board.

So, I'm a bit confused?

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Sialater wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Besides, can the Normandy actually operate without EDI?  She does more than cyberwarfare.  Especially after being unshackled.

Spoiler: I went with yes, since it was built with the spec that EDI was a VI. However, the transition may not be seamless. And a slightly more elaborate geth/EDI plot

Not sure I follow.  The Alliance didn't build the Normandy.  It repaired it.  And Traynor and Adams both say things were fixed almost before they noticed them.   Cerberus built it, knowing it would have an AI on board.

So, I'm a bit confused?

uh... I have this problem too. A.I. for me is wriiten software that assumed the capability to reason and act on its own. It doesn't require an organic input to perform for every / any specific function.  EDI is literally the brain of the Normandy. So if Destroy wipe out synthetics, doesn't it mean it's wiping out software? I presume there's some osrt of algorithms the energy would target so not every software is wiped (imagine a tumbling VF in space, systems failing). EDI would have been wiped, the Normandy would have no brain. It can't function. Not unless Liara or somebody input a new program (VI). Maybe Liara used Glyph.

[lillitheris]

Sialater wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Besides, can the Normandy actually operate without EDI?  She does more than cyberwarfare.  Especially after being unshackled.

Spoiler: I went with yes, since it was built with the spec that EDI was a VI. However, the transition may not be seamless. And a slightly more elaborate geth/EDI plot

Not sure I follow.  The Alliance didn't build the Normandy.  It repaired it.  And Traynor and Adams both say things were fixed almost before they noticed them.   Cerberus built it, knowing it would have an AI on board.

So, I'm a bit confused?

EDI masqueraded as a VI during the (extensive, 6-month) refitting. This implies strongly that the engineers would have upgraded/changed/tested everything with the assumption that she’s just a VI. I’ll further assume that as a part of their design specs they have some type of manual backups/overrides for everything in case there’s a problem with the VI, especially on a military ship.

It’s possible that EDI could have faked all the testing results and so on, or that there indeed are no backup systems, so I certainly wouldn’t begrudge fic going that route. My assumptions leave me with a Normandy that can be flown without EDI active. Not as effectively by far, but can be.

Modifié par lillitheris, 27 juin 2012 - 03:45 .

[Sialater]

Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

Sialater wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Besides, can the Normandy actually operate without EDI?  She does more than cyberwarfare.  Especially after being unshackled.

Spoiler: I went with yes, since it was built with the spec that EDI was a VI. However, the transition may not be seamless. And a slightly more elaborate geth/EDI plot

Not sure I follow.  The Alliance didn't build the Normandy.  It repaired it.  And Traynor and Adams both say things were fixed almost before they noticed them.   Cerberus built it, knowing it would have an AI on board.

So, I'm a bit confused?

uh... I have this problem too. A.I. for me is wriiten software that assumed the capability to reason and act on its own. It doesn't require an organic input to perform for every / any specific function.  EDI is literally the brain of the Normandy. So if Destroy wipe out synthetics, doesn't it mean it's wiping out software? I presume there's some osrt of algorithms the energy would target so not every software is wiped (imagine a tumbling VF in space, systems failing). EDI would have been wiped, the Normandy would have no brain. It can't function. Not unless Liara or somebody input a new program (VI). Maybe Liara used Glyph.

LOL, not Glyph has that brain power.

Since the Normandy takes off again from Planet Plothole... I'm gonna go with EDI ain't as dead as StarBrat claimed since neither is Shepard.  Her name may be on the wall because she might've lost enough of her IQ, they don't think she can come back.  At the very least that body she co-opted is non-operational.

[Sialater]

lillitheris wrote...

Sialater wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Besides, can the Normandy actually operate without EDI?  She does more than cyberwarfare.  Especially after being unshackled.

Spoiler: I went with yes, since it was built with the spec that EDI was a VI. However, the transition may not be seamless. And a slightly more elaborate geth/EDI plot

Not sure I follow.  The Alliance didn't build the Normandy.  It repaired it.  And Traynor and Adams both say things were fixed almost before they noticed them.   Cerberus built it, knowing it would have an AI on board.

So, I'm a bit confused?

EDI masqueraded as a VI during the (extensive, 6-month) refitting. This implies strongly that the engineers would have upgraded/changed/tested everything with the assumption that she’s just a VI. I’ll further assume that as a part of their design specs they have some type of manual backups/overrides for everything in case there’s a problem with the VI, especially on a military ship.

It’s possible that EDI could have faked all the testing results and so on, or that there indeed are no backup systems, so I certainly wouldn’t begrudge fic going that route. My assumptions leave me with a Normandy that can be flown without EDI active. Not as effectively by far, but can be.

I think Traynor actually says a few of the testing results looked odd.  I'll find out when I replay.

[lillitheris]

She does say something of that nature, yep.

…

Question: I’ve been using this format for radio conversations:

{Summary from my perspective, if you allow,} the major said, anxiety clear in his voice but his cadence slightly slower than most of the salarians she had heard.

I think it’s clear enough, but would it read better if I went with italicized?

{Summary from my perspective, if you allow,} the major said, anxiety clear in his voice but his cadence slightly slower than most of the salarians she had heard.

I do want to keep the {} to distinguish it from “”, which I use for ‘local’ dialogue. To further confuse things, I also use “Italics” for background stuff like a TV broadcast.

I think the second one might better, perhaps, but would it throw people off too much if I went to change it? Or is the former clear enough?

Also don’t really want to change it everywhere

Modifié par lillitheris, 27 juin 2012 - 05:15 .

[Sialater]

lillitheris wrote...

She does say something of that nature, yep.

…

Question: I’ve been using this format for radio conversations:

{Summary from my perspective, if you allow,} the major said, anxiety clear in his voice but his cadence slightly slower than most of the salarians she had heard.

I think it’s clear enough, but would it read better if I went with italicized?

{Summary from my perspective, if you allow,} the
major said, anxiety clear in his voice but his cadence slightly slower
than most of the salarians she had heard.

I do want to keep the {} to distinguish it from “”, which I use for ‘local’ dialogue. To further confuse things, I also use “Italics” for background stuff like a TV broadcast.

I think the second one might better, perhaps, but would it throw people off too much if I went to change it? Or is the former clear enough?

Also don’t really want to change it everywhere

Why do you need a different marker for a radio conversation.  If you tell people you're having a radio conversation, normal quotes work.  

I was actually confused for a bit and had to read your post twice.

[lillitheris]

Sialater wrote...

Why do you need a different marker for a radio conversation.  If you tell people you're having a radio conversation, normal quotes work. 

I like to separate the two, so I don‘t have to expressly mark it; also makes it easier to switch between comm and local speech.

(I do introduce it as radio comm right off the bat in the first chapter, so the reader should hopefully not be confused.)

[Sialater]

Then the brackets are enough.

I've read too much sci-fi not to see italics as short hand for telepathy.

[Icyflare]

I may be wrong (and hopefully, I am), but if the Destroy wave does wipe EDI's software if not remove her altogether, then we may rebuilt the AI that navigates the Normandy but not get EDI herself.

EDI was built from Reaper tech; her memories of the Normandy and her experiences with Shepard and the crew have shaped her. Even if she could be rebuilt again, her memory and personality would be blank. She would no longer be EDI but just an AI with EDI's voice. Everything that she learned that made her unique would be eliminated. We can rebuild the ship, but we can't get back EDI. She'd be as gone as Legion.

[Drussius]

Sialater wrote...

Then the brackets are enough.

I've read too much sci-fi not to see italics as short hand for telepathy.

I am not much of a sci-fi reader, so I hadn't been aware of the telepathy thing. I've mostly read older fantasy novels, where italics are used to express internal thoughts primarily, though without quotation marks. Such as:

They're going to find me if I don't distract them somehow, he realized.

That's how I've always used them on the occasions when I used them in past stories. And I've been using Italics with quotations for radio transmissions when they are cut in with actual conversation. I thought lill's brackets were fine, since it was made clear early on that they were for radio/communications. I just didn't want to steal the formatting for my own writing.

[lillitheris]

Drussius wrote...

I am not much of a sci-fi reader, so I hadn't been aware of the telepathy thing. I've mostly read older fantasy novels, where italics are used to express internal thoughts primarily, though without quotation marks. Such as:

They're going to find me if I don't distract them somehow, he realized.

That's how I've always used them on the occasions when I used them in past stories. And I've been using Italics with quotations for radio transmissions when they are cut in with actual conversation. I thought lill's brackets were fine, since it was made clear early on that they were for radio/communications. I just didn't want to steal the formatting for my own writing.

{You’re welcome to steal,} the staticy and slightly tinny voice said. {If you’re still rewriting, that is!}

…

I’ve also seen them used for ‘remote’ things…so if someone’s on the other end of the phone (or radio), they’ll be in italics.