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[Spiritwolf1]

CmdrSlander wrote...

dpMeggers wrote...

hot_heart wrote...

Ursakar wrote...
I capitalize only the Reapers and the Collectors. I capitalized the protheans a couple of times but I'm thinking about going back and editing those instances.

Good point actually. As far as I can recall, that is consistent with the game. They capitalise Reapers, Collectors and Protheans presumably because they are not a 'recognised' sort of species. There's probably a better term for it, but I am tired from work... <_<

Semi-mythical? Special?

Lord I go to sleep and wake up to almost two full pages to read through.

@lili I also notice lore-breaking things (and they break immersion for me) like ship names and locations etc. I have a fic I'm reading in which Shepard drinks ryncol pre-ME1 which drove me a little nutty - being as how it's supposed to 'hit aliens like ground glass' and Shep wasn't a cyborg yet. I forgave the fic b/c it was incredibly funny (Shep's out of his bloody mind) and it's a fairly minor point. (Actually I'm going to go so far as to recommend giving it a shot. It's written as Shepard's log with Anderson's commentary as footnotes. And I Was Having Such a Nice Day )

I should say here that I also have a really hard time reading AUs. I don't know if that's because I'm a very concrete/literal thinker but when I read them my brain really runs 'But that's not what happened. This isn't how it happened. That's wrong' etc.

Which leads to the question of the day: Does anyone else have this problem? Or is a well-written AU enough?

I'm fairly new around here, what do you think of my stuff ? (excerpts posted in the midde and bottom of the page before this as well as the top and middle of this page)

Thanks.

can you create a link please?

[CmdrSlander]

Spiritwolf1 wrote...

CmdrSlander wrote...

dpMeggers wrote...

hot_heart wrote...

Ursakar wrote...
I capitalize only the Reapers and the Collectors. I capitalized the protheans a couple of times but I'm thinking about going back and editing those instances.

Good point actually. As far as I can recall, that is consistent with the game. They capitalise Reapers, Collectors and Protheans presumably because they are not a 'recognised' sort of species. There's probably a better term for it, but I am tired from work... <_<

Semi-mythical? Special?

Lord I go to sleep and wake up to almost two full pages to read through.

@lili I also notice lore-breaking things (and they break immersion for me) like ship names and locations etc. I have a fic I'm reading in which Shepard drinks ryncol pre-ME1 which drove me a little nutty - being as how it's supposed to 'hit aliens like ground glass' and Shep wasn't a cyborg yet. I forgave the fic b/c it was incredibly funny (Shep's out of his bloody mind) and it's a fairly minor point. (Actually I'm going to go so far as to recommend giving it a shot. It's written as Shepard's log with Anderson's commentary as footnotes. And I Was Having Such a Nice Day )

I should say here that I also have a really hard time reading AUs. I don't know if that's because I'm a very concrete/literal thinker but when I read them my brain really runs 'But that's not what happened. This isn't how it happened. That's wrong' etc.

Which leads to the question of the day: Does anyone else have this problem? Or is a well-written AU enough?

I'm fairly new around here, what do you think of my stuff ? (excerpts posted in the midde and bottom of the page before this as well as the top and middle of this page)

Thanks.

can you create a link please?

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/368/index/12858136

[noxiuniversitas1]

Spiritwolf1 wrote...

Personally I like a well written AU. I don;t have a long lived memory unless something really stuck out for me. I don't go running to cannon to comfirm everything, if the story is nice enough that I can overlook a few things then that is fine. Everyone one interprets things differently and in Fan Fic I don't see why they can not embelish that

If you're looking for AU, then Uncommon Bonds is probably one of the best I've read. I've seen some of the unpublished stuff, and it gets even better.

[hot_heart]

dpMeggers wrote...

Which leads to the question of the day: Does anyone else have this problem? Or is a well-written AU enough?

I tend to steer clear of AU stuff, or at least prioritise reading other stories over them.

Of course, now I'm going to endeavour to read some more stuff, firstly from members in this thread so I'll be reading whatever.

Oh, and to Fainmaca, thank you very much for taking the time to read over some chapters! It's really good to hear that I've got the portrayal across how I intended, and you summed it up accurately.

The character has always fascinated me because she can have that polarising effect, and you do kind of have to look for the person underneath, which I think only truly comes out during the romance.

A lot of credit goes to the members in her character thread too, because they do offer some interesting insight and perspectives I'd not even considered.

[Spiritwolf1]

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

Spiritwolf1 wrote...

Personally I like a well written AU. I don;t have a long lived memory unless something really stuck out for me. I don't go running to cannon to comfirm everything, if the story is nice enough that I can overlook a few things then that is fine. Everyone one interprets things differently and in Fan Fic I don't see why they can not embelish that

If you're looking for AU, then Uncommon Bonds is probably one of the best I've read. I've seen some of the unpublished stuff, and it gets even better.

Added to faves thanks

[CmdrSlander]

Re: Alternate Universes:

Melaradark's Dark Energy series started off left of canon and has moved so far off canon at this point that it is, I would venture, about 65% the author's own imagination, not BioWare's. It is still excellent.

[CmdrSlander]

Edit: Egad! A double post! Sorry.

Modifié par CmdrSlander, 29 juin 2012 - 05:04 .

[Ursakar]

I also like a well written AU story. I was never a canon ****(member of the leading German political party during WWII ) to begin with.

Modifié par Ursakar, 29 juin 2012 - 05:08 .

[Sialater]

 Well, if you're really looking for an AU, myself and two other writers have written this:  Persephone Rising.

It is three Shepards, though, so if that's an issue, don't read.  Basically, we were trying to pluf the holes in the games.  We're not through ME1 yet, real life got in the way, but we're going to continue it till we're done, I think.

[lillitheris]

Spiritwolf1 wrote...

I've marked a few of the stories in here in my fave file on Fan fic... I go back to work tomorrow and if its a slow day I will start to read them. I read High class Hostage by FortyFourReasons which is absolutely amazing and the only complaint I have about that is the cliff hanger ending it left. And I have read Endless Bindings by Jayden Scott which is well done as well. I have two more that I have slated to read and I think both writers are from here; Dark Energy by Melaradark and Mass Efffect 4: Unity by Askwa... Ill let you know what I think when I'm done. Love the stuf I have read so far though.

Hi! I’m Awska, and Mel’s ravynwriter. I know you’ll enjoy “Dark Energy”, hopefully also “Unity”

I think I’ve “High class Hostage” in my reading list too…

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I don’t mind AU, if it’s well-written. Slightly modified canon is perfectly OK, and often even better than a straight retelling.

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Edit: so this is totally weird, but BSN transforms the capitalized word ‘class’ into lowercase. (Also classic, maybe classy, classist, classical? Edit2: apparently so. Weird.)

Modifié par lillitheris, 29 juin 2012 - 07:41 .

[fainmaca]

dpMeggers wrote...

Which leads to the question of the day: Does anyone else have this problem? Or is a well-written AU enough?

It'd be pretty hypocritical of me to speak against AUs, considering I've set up an alternate continuity that all of my fics reside in, but I can understand some hesitation to read an AU. I mean, if you know what happens, it can be hard to get behind a series of events that you know didn't/couldn't happen because of what the canon has done. But sometimes it can be done really well.
In short, I like them, but they have to be done right.

hot_heart wrote...
Oh, and to Fainmaca, thank you very much for taking the time to read over some chapters! It's really good to hear that I've got the portrayal across how I intended, and you summed it up accurately.

The character has always fascinated me because she can have that polarising effect, and you do kind of have to look for the person underneath, which I think only truly comes out during the romance.

A lot of credit goes to the members in her character thread too, because they do offer some interesting insight and perspectives I'd not even considered.

No problem. I had some time at work today, and it was an entertaining read. I'm about halfway now, so I'll try to get finished on the current material soon.

I have to admit, the first time I played through ME2 I totally ignored Miranda. A few of the first lines she says kinda drove me off. But then, on my second playthrough, I took her to see Termi-Reaper, and her standing up to The Illusive Man got me to pay a little more attention. Third playthrough, I really listened to her dialogue, paid attention to the character behind the voice. She's not my favourite character (Legion, Jack or Wrex), but I still appreciate the quality of her characterisation.

Once again, well done!

P.S. I'll try to read some more of the material mentioned on this thread. It's just managing to catch a hold of the elusive beast known as 'free time'.

[dpMeggers]

Sialater wrote...

 Well, if you're really looking for an AU, myself and two other writers have written this:  Persephone Rising.

It is three Shepards, though, so if that's an issue, don't read.  Basically, we were trying to pluf the holes in the games.  We're not through ME1 yet, real life got in the way, but we're going to continue it till we're done, I think.

Heh... I've been following Persephone Rising since before I had an FF account. I think it might be because it doesn't break from the main story  - which is what my sticking point seems to be. I don't object to bent canon/OCs because it's still plausible, but I get hung up on things that definitely didn't/could never have happened. It's not that I go running to check the lore, just that I've always had a good memory for things I read and I've spent a lot of time digging through the codex/lore troves.

I think I'm happier knowing I'm in the minority on this because it means that writers who have geniunely good AU's don't get screwed out of readers.

[Sialater]

dpMeggers wrote...

Sialater wrote...

 Well, if you're really looking for an AU, myself and two other writers have written this:  Persephone Rising.

It is three Shepards, though, so if that's an issue, don't read.  Basically, we were trying to pluf the holes in the games.  We're not through ME1 yet, real life got in the way, but we're going to continue it till we're done, I think.

Heh... I've been following Persephone Rising since before I had an FF account. I think it might be because it doesn't break from the main story  - which is what my sticking point seems to be. I don't object to bent canon/OCs because it's still plausible, but I get hung up on things that definitely didn't/could never have happened. It's not that I go running to check the lore, just that I've always had a good memory for things I read and I've spent a lot of time digging through the codex/lore troves.

I think I'm happier knowing I'm in the minority on this because it means that writers who have geniunely good AU's don't get screwed out of readers.

Oh!  Well, glad you've been enjoying it.  

We actually got a hate review once.  That was fun.  The guy didn't believe three Shepards would work and didn't read beyond the prologue.

[lillitheris]

I view the lore compatibility as a problem to solve, which makes it fun! The asari physiology stuff, for example, tries very hard not to contradict anything.

[fainmaca]

Sialater wrote...
We actually got a hate review once.  That was fun.  The guy didn't believe three Shepards would work and didn't read beyond the prologue.

There are some people who will get hung up on just about anything in a fic. I had 2 hate reviews at once. One claimed that because of certain tactics the Normandy crew used, I was clearly not used to playing the game on Insanity, and the other one didn't believe that the Normandy could be captured, ever, and by doing so I'd made Shepard irrelevant because he could be beaten.

No amount of talking it over with them could change their minds, so i guess they missed out on everything after those first three thousand words.

[Sialater]

fainmaca wrote...

Sialater wrote...
We actually got a hate review once.  That was fun.  The guy didn't believe three Shepards would work and didn't read beyond the prologue.

There are some people who will get hung up on just about anything in a fic. I had 2 hate reviews at once. One claimed that because of certain tactics the Normandy crew used, I was clearly not used to playing the game on Insanity, and the other one didn't believe that the Normandy could be captured, ever, and by doing so I'd made Shepard irrelevant because he could be beaten.

No amount of talking it over with them could change their minds, so i guess they missed out on everything after those first three thousand words.

I don't understand hate reviews.  At all. They're not constructive, they're not helpful... why waste the time?  Click the back button and move on.

[dpMeggers]

fainmaca wrote...

Sialater wrote...
We actually got a hate review once.  That was fun.  The guy didn't believe three Shepards would work and didn't read beyond the prologue.

There are some people who will get hung up on just about anything in a fic. I had 2 hate reviews at once. One claimed that because of certain tactics the Normandy crew used, I was clearly not used to playing the game on Insanity, and the other one didn't believe that the Normandy could be captured, ever, and by doing so I'd made Shepard irrelevant because he could be beaten.

No amount of talking it over with them could change their minds, so i guess they missed out on everything after those first three thousand words.

But...Shepard gets killed in ME2. And the first Normandy gets blown up. And the second Normandy gets Collector-ed.

This is of course ignoring the story vs. gameplay segregation issue with the Insanity-tactics. I'm pretty sure that if I wrote combat in the ME universe as I play it would be utterly rediculous. As in "And then Shepard completely ignored cover and didn't bother giving the squad any directions, running around in circles on the battlefield alternately shocking and shotgunning everything in sight, while (insert squad members names here) did their best to kill everything else."

Edit: @ Sia agreed. It's one thing to say "you could make it better by fixing this" and something else entirely to say "this will never work and is a waste of time." I just don't know why anyone would bother. Maybe some people just enjoy being negative?

Modifié par dpMeggers, 29 juin 2012 - 08:40 .

[lillitheris]

^ I disagree slightly. All critique is useful; some moreso, sure.

Good critique tells you what is wrong, and why.
Bad critique just tells you what is wrong.
Terrible critique tells you something might be wrong.

In each case, it’s still up to you to investigate further and make decisions based on your findings.

Modifié par lillitheris, 29 juin 2012 - 09:14 .

[fainmaca]

dpMeggers wrote...
But...Shepard gets killed in ME2. And the first Normandy gets blown up. And the second Normandy gets Collector-ed.

This is of course ignoring the story vs. gameplay segregation issue with the Insanity-tactics. I'm pretty sure that if I wrote combat in the ME universe as I play it would be utterly rediculous. As in "And then Shepard completely ignored cover and didn't bother giving the squad any directions, running around in circles on the battlefield alternately shocking and shotgunning everything in sight, while (insert squad members names here) did their best to kill everything else."

Edit: @ Sia agreed. It's one thing to say "you could make it better by fixing this" and something else entirely to say "this will never work and is a waste of time." I just don't know why anyone would bother. Maybe some people just enjoy being negative?

Those were some of the points I brought up. Basically the Normandy crew and the Alliance task force they were helping fell into a trap that ended with the Normandy paralysed by a new technology and the bad guys moving in on her. As I was writing my own ME3 plot, this was my version of the 'level reset' that leaves Shepard starting the plot with no crew and no ship. You know, instead of killing him all over again.

I think its less enjoying negativity and more that they don't know how to be constructive, and they don't want to keep silent. It may be an attention-seeking thing.

[noxiuniversitas1]

Good Lord, I never thought I was capable of giving myself diabetes

[fluffywalrus]

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

Good Lord, I never thought I was capable of giving myself diabetes

There's no such thing as too sweet a story *cackles*

*feels feet and hands go numb and tingly, vision blur, and an unquenchable thirst arise*

Hrm, well, that's peculiar....

[Sialater]

lillitheris wrote...

^ I disagree slightly. All critique is useful; some moreso, sure.

Good critique tells you what is wrong, and why.
Bad critique just tells you what is wrong.
Terrible critique tells you something might be wrong.

In each case, it’s still up to you to investigate further and make decisions based on your findings.

I did.  I was told there was no way possible we could make it work.

We were on chapter 35-ish at the time.  

[lillitheris]

Sialater wrote...

I did.  I was told there was no way possible we could make it work.

We were on chapter 35-ish at the time.  

I did not mean to imply that you didn’t! Sometimes there’s even constructive criticism that does you no good because you can’t use it. Because, you know, artistic integrity or whatever else.

I just disagree with the assertion that only constructive criticism is good

Modifié par lillitheris, 29 juin 2012 - 09:57 .

[fainmaca]

lillitheris wrote...
I did not mean to imply that you didn’t! Sometimes there’s even constructive criticism that does you no good because you can’t use it. Because, you know, artistic integrity or whatever else.

I just disagree with the assertion that only constructive criticism is good

But there are criticisms that are purely destructive, and there's nothing you can do about them. I mean, what exactly is helpful about this? (Names removed)

Congratulations on rendering Shepard, EDI, and their crew obsolete in the first chapter. Why were they sent after the Collector base if Cerberus could toss of a few of their marines and dreadnoughts after it with a better chance of a favorable outcome? Why bother with using them against the Reapers too? There's no point in reading further, because the main characters are now unnecessary to the larger story, and I have no interest in reading a non-fanfic.

[lillitheris]

^ The person is somewhat cogently explaining why they are having problems with the story. (Also, they may not be the only one, just the only one to say so.)

What, if anything, you do with that info is up to you. If you reviewed the relevant section but found it to be fine, that’s the end of that. Or perhaps you now consider the power balance slightly more carefully to ensure that you don’t accidentally stray, even if you didn’t make any corrections to the existing material.

Modifié par lillitheris, 29 juin 2012 - 10:26 .