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[LanceSolous13]

...For once, I think I'm going to take the Lighter and Softer route to this rather than the more realistic one...

[Icyflare]

hot_heart wrote...

I probably should find out more on the subject, but I have seen a 'theory' that Miranda's infertility was caused by implanted eezo nodules. Not sure how accurate that is, but they mentioned that had precedent (or I misremembered...) They could've just been playing with the lore a bit. Could just be plain old-fashioned infertility...

I think she was born far too early for the whole linkage to biotics, so wouldn't have been designed that way. And she seems to believe Oriana is unaffected, and we know she's not a biotic.

You guys will probably know a bit more.

I always imagined that Miranda's infertility was due to intentional genetic manipulation by her father, so his "empire" couldn't continue without his consent.

Still, the eezo thing. That's the problem. There's no codex information on the effects of adults at all. Not even "eezo dust can cause sneezing". I'd imagine there has to be SOME effect from long-term exposure or exposure in a vulnerable state from eezo.

[LanceSolous13]

That's pretty much what I wrote her infertility off as too. He just had that much control over her Genetics. A way to make her miserable if she ever abandoned him. Would make sense considering how much she resents her genetics over all. That, and that always seemed to be what was implied to me.

[lillitheris]

Icyflare wrote...

Still, the eezo thing. That's the problem. There's no codex information on the effects of adults at all. Not even "eezo dust can cause sneezing". I'd imagine there has to be SOME effect from long-term exposure or exposure in a vulnerable state from eezo.

My take is that it’s generally non-harmful to anyone not attached with an umbilical, and with a functioning immune system. I did not elaborate why this is the case, mainly because I did not consider it too far beyond that the substance itself isn’t the danger, it’s just an, ah, catalyst.

It doesn’t really make sense that it wouldn’t cause problems at least in younger children; perhaps it could be that the critical mass of eezo required (hehe) is dependent on the developmental phase and so on.

Modifié par lillitheris, 30 juin 2012 - 09:15 .

[hot_heart]

Icyflare wrote...
I always imagined that Miranda's infertility was due to intentional genetic manipulation by her father, so his "empire" couldn't continue without his consent.

I wouldn't dismiss the idea, but it does seem odd that Miranda would believe Oriana was capable of having children. Though that could've been an oversight from a junior writer, and the reference to that only appears during the death scene.

[Icyflare]

lillitheris wrote...

^ Aha, yes…one of us, possibly me, misunderstood what Icyflare was asking

I was just asking for real-life examples to something that causes tumors and birth defects in children so I can extrapolate off of that if I need to. Like you mentioned, there is no info on the codex on that kind of thing, which I don't believe. What kind of magic dust is this tthat it causes tumors in fetuses and nothing else in other samples of the population?

[LanceSolous13]

lillitheris wrote...

Icyflare wrote...

Still, the eezo thing. That's the problem. There's no codex information on the effects of adults at all. Not even "eezo dust can cause sneezing". I'd imagine there has to be SOME effect from long-term exposure or exposure in a vulnerable state from eezo.

My take is that it’s generally non-harmful to anyone not attached with an umbilical, and with a functioning immune system. I did not elaborate why this is the case, mainly because I did not consider it too far beyond that the substance itself isn’t the danger, it’s just an, ah, catalyst.

Similar to what I was just thinking actually. The mother is fully devloped and has a poper immune system. The baby in the woumb is developing and weak. Something that would be completely non-lethal/a small annoyance could be extremely potent for the baby.

[noxiuniversitas1]

Icyflare wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

^ Aha, yes…one of us, possibly me, misunderstood what Icyflare was asking

I was just asking for real-life examples to something that causes tumors and birth defects in children so I can extrapolate off of that if I need to. Like you mentioned, there is no info on the codex on that kind of thing, which I don't believe. What kind of magic dust is this tthat it causes tumors in fetuses and nothing else in other samples of the population?

Something in which the pathogenic effect is dependent on a critical number of actively-dividing cells. That would be a satisfactory explanation tumour-wise. As for immunity, it's a touchy area IRL - there's evidence that chronic inflammatory conditions are actually linked to a higher incidence of cancer (e.g. ulcerative colitis and colon cancer).

[Icyflare]

^Okay, well, I can work with that.I was thinking of writing about a colony near a small eezo deposit. I do remember reading somewhere that large amounts of eezo has to be exposed to the fetus in order to induce biotic potential. Something like a small mine probably won't do anything.

[MrStoob]

@lill

I read your piece on the asari physiology and whatnot and was wondering how much is your own lore and how much is ME lore? It all seems pretty solid but I was just wondering. Eventually Liara and Shep might get down and dirty in my FF... and it'd be nice to be able to put some 'credibility' into such a scene. I haven't really decided what level of 'detail' I might go into for a lovemaking scene, it's contentious at best, particularly with the way FF.net is about such matters.

Oh, and while I'm on... what the bloody hell goes on with links in signatures?  I try the usual methods but it always fecks up somehow.  Traditionally I'd use (without spaces ofc):

[ URL="somthing.thing.dot" ] Link name [ /URL ]

Modifié par MrStoob, 30 juin 2012 - 10:52 .

[hot_heart]

MrStoob wrote...
Oh, and while I'm on... what the bloody hell goes on with links in signatures?  I try the usual methods but it always fecks up somehow.  Traditionally I'd use (without spaces ofc):

[ URL="somthing.thing.dot" ] Link name [ /URL ]

Hmm, strange. I just typed out the text, highlighted it, clicked the 'insert/edit link' button and pasted the URL in there.

[CmdrSlander]

I made this for ravynwriter to use in her Dark Energy thread. What do you guys think of it?

[fluffywalrus]

lillitheris wrote...

noxiuniversitas1 wrote...

Icyflare wrote...

Something that can cause tumors and birth defect in unborn children can have detrimental effects on the parent as well? What would be a real-life example of this?

The fallout from Chernobyl. I can elaborate if you want, but it's chilling and quite unpleasant.

Weeell…I can’t fully agree with that assessment. If the eezo caused (significant) problems in adults, it would definitely get a mention. The codex info — as well as, say, Jack’s mother being fine when she was 4 — indicate that it definitely only affects the child.

Understandable to take that stance. From what the codex does and doesn't mention, it can be inferred that adults and young children are unaffected.

However, I personally find it a bit...oddd. that eezo is so 'safe', considering what it can do to unborn children. The magnitude of their deformities or biotic abilities can be quite amazing...I have a hard time believing that a force that can be so destructive, that can affect one's system in such an incredible way, would be akin to drinking alcohol as a pregnant mother.  I could see it being less effective on adults and more fully formed ndividuals, but I can't see them getting away unharmed.  It's just one thing that's kind of bugged me about biotics. SO I've kind of changed that a bit in my story, making it slightly AU in the process, I'm sure.

[Sweawm]

CmdrSlander wrote...

I made this for ravynwriter to use in her Dark Energy thread. What do you guys think of it?

Pretty cool, Slander. 

[Spiritwolf1]

Anyone ever just sit down to write a chapter and have it go somewhere you never forsaw?

[CmdrSlander]

Spiritwolf1 wrote...

Anyone ever just sit down to write a chapter and have it go somewhere you never forsaw?

Yes, although when I do that they tend to suck. I need a good roadmap. 

[fainmaca]

Smugglers Luck wrote...

I've been thinking about it and the Spacer/War Hero background seems to be the only "normal" one. Colonist background is quite traumatic and Earthborn background is well...rough. Couple that with Sole Survivor and you're bound to have a very emotionally/mentally scarred Shepard. What do you guys think?

I agree. Space/WH Shep would seem like the... shall we say 'smoothest' backstory? I, personally, always go Earthborn/ Sole Survivor. I pick EB because I feel it makes his origin a little more relatable so I can get inside his head just that little bit easier, and I choose SS because I like the idea of a Shepard who has had to adapt to getting things done on his own strength, learning to be a bit of a lone wolf. I feel that it makes finally finding a suitable LI and the almost family-like atmosphere of the squad that much more profound.

Icyflare wrote...

hot_heart wrote...

I probably should find out more on the subject, but I have seen a 'theory' that Miranda's infertility was caused by implanted eezo nodules. Not sure how accurate that is, but they mentioned that had precedent (or I misremembered...) They could've just been playing with the lore a bit. Could just be plain old-fashioned infertility...

I think she was born far too early for the whole linkage to biotics, so wouldn't have been designed that way. And she seems to believe Oriana is unaffected, and we know she's not a biotic.

You guys will probably know a bit more.

I always imagined that Miranda's infertility was due to intentional genetic manipulation by her father, so his "empire" couldn't continue without his consent.

I've actually taken that little tidbit of lore in a much more tragic direction for Miri. I explain the infertility as the first symptom of a degradation of her genes due to the extensive manipulation involved in her creation, along with the fact that it was almost entirely her father's DNA that went into her. Over time, this degradation is worsening, to the point where by the time she understands her condition (roughly a year after ME2 in my continuity), estimates leave her with a scant 15 years to live, meaning its unlikely she'll see past 50. This strikes her quite deep, as at the time of the opening of ME2 she reckons her enhancements will extend her life beyond that of most Humans (to around 150-200, I believe).

I was able to tie it into a plot involving her father, Cerberus, her sister and about a dozen of her children (complicated). I find it serves as a good way of building on her character, and it gives me a chance to explore a Miranda who is losing those advantages she's come to take for granted.

[Spiritwolf1]

I had a road map I just turned though somewhere else and kept going, I liked the scenery but now I need to get back to where I wanted to go

[fainmaca]

Spiritwolf1 wrote...

Anyone ever just sit down to write a chapter and have it go somewhere you never forsaw?

I usually have a very clear objective in mind, but sometimes what happens on the way between points A and B can go in very unexpected directions before returning to the original plan.

I mean, just recently I had a character die who I'd originally thought I'd leave in charge of the Batarian Hegemony, or at least have a choice that could lead to that, but then i got an idea for a much better, more morally challenging decision. In the end, i still get to the point where Shepard has triumphed over the enemy plot and has the co-operation of the Hegemony, but its taken a wilder but more fulfilling path than originally planned to get there.

[noxiuniversitas1]

fluffywalrus wrote...
However, I personally find it a bit...oddd. that eezo is so 'safe', considering what it can do to unborn children. The magnitude of their deformities or biotic abilities can be quite amazing...I have a hard time believing that a force that can be so destructive, that can affect one's system in such an incredible way, would be akin to drinking alcohol as a pregnant mother.  I could see it being less effective on adults and more fully formed ndividuals, but I can't see them getting away unharmed.  It's just one thing that's kind of bugged me about biotics. SO I've kind of changed that a bit in my story, making it slightly AU in the process, I'm sure.

Agree 100%. And, on an unrelated note, I love the alcohol analogy. Perfect!

Oh I've seen your PM in my email inbox, btw - I'll get to it and respond once I finish this stack of letters I have to write (can you tell I'm procrastinating...)

Spiritwolf1 wrote...

Anyone ever just sit down to write a chapter and have it go somewhere you never forsaw?

LOL, pretty much ever chapter / story I write goes somewhere I've never foreseen.

[Icyflare]

Spiritwolf1 wrote...

Anyone ever just sit down to write a chapter and have it go somewhere you never forsaw?

Yes. And then I parody myself. Funny, but not quite what I wanted

[fainmaca]

P.S. I have been eyeball-deep in several weeks worth of paperwork these past couple of days, so I apologise if my posts around here over this weekend (particularly last night, lillitheris) seemed rather gruff and irritable. I'm still up to my earholes in unfiled crap, but there's a light at the end of the tunnel, so I'm able to take a breath and in doing so I realise I was being a bit of an eejit yesterday.

In related news, this means I still haven't finished this bleedin' Batarian chapter. My apologies. I hope I'll get a chance in the next week to finish the couple of thousand words I need to do. Maybe if I play the Suicide Mission again, it'll give me the oomph to get it done. Last time, I wrote almost a thousand words in an hour...

Modifié par fainmaca, 01 juillet 2012 - 12:16 .

[Sweawm]

Spiritwolf1 wrote...

Anyone ever just sit down to write a chapter and have it go somewhere you never forsaw?

It usually involves something of very low quality as the end product. I wrote a draft for a first chapter, studied it, then scrapped it and rewrote the entire plot altogether. 
I like going with my instincts when writing, but sometimes it will lead to some terrible plot points that may seem cool when reading over them, but may have some significant flaws when better studied. 

[fluffywalrus]

Spiritwolf1 wrote...

Anyone ever just sit down to write a chapter and have it go somewhere you never foresaw?

Yeah, happens all the time, especially this past chapter. Wanted a small, concise chapter and got the biggest chapter I've ever posted. Often I get ideas about how to advance the plot, and I rearrange or rewrite them midway. Sometimes I don't catch these impulsive decisions, and I earn the challenge of making them work, going forward

It's a fun ride, it's just good if you have a decent sense of direction to fall back on in those times.

[LanceSolous13]

That actually happened this last chapter. I suddenly remembered Chloe Michelle worked at Huerta Memorial and decided to give her an appearence and allow some insight into Miranda. Never strayed too far from my path though.