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[Icyflare]

It's only been a year since Japan has been hit, and it's hard to say when they may recover. They also have the nuclear situation there, so that probably will slow down their efforts to rebuild. I was planning to use an earthquake as a background event actually. I just wanted to know if 30 years was a plausible amount of time for the city to recover.

[Spiritwolf1]

I think even now that is plausable, like I said they can build a whole community in a year or less now, including schools and shopping centers... add a few hospitals and other large buildings, 30, everything will probably be new but it would be more then enough time to recover.

[fluffywalrus]

I would imagine that most major port cities near fault lines in the future would have safeguards against seismic events. Older infrastructure would likely be crippled and/or destroyed, while newer buildings would be built to withstand the brunt of such impacts. I'd say, decide on a port city with nice, old infrastructure(I'm not well-traveled, and I generally don't care for big cities so...I don't know an example here), or...well...just a hell of a lot of it (Los Angeles comes to mind).

You could also decide if the Earthquake's epicenter happened on or off shore, which would dictate whether a tsunami would have an impact on the city or not. It's something you could have a lot of (morbid) fun with.

[lillitheris]

MidnightRaith wrote...

Question regarding my fic. Where would you teach someone to shoot? I can't imagine a firing range on the Normandy unless it's a holograph interface, but I can't imagine how useful a HI would be regarding weapon recoil.... I sort of wrote myself in a hole there. I guess the Normandy will have to dock at the Citadel for a bit to teach Liara how to fire a gun properly....

Why? Even the flimsiest see-through plastic guard rail stops all ammo not coming out of a Widow. Just stack a couple crates there :happy:


(Seriously, though, I don’t think e.g. a laser system would be hard to pull off. There’s little recoil in the guns Liara would be using, anyway, but I imagine it’d be pretty easy to manufacture either ammo that disintegrates immediately when shot, or alternatively practice weapons that use ME to create an artificial recoil. I’d probably go for the former, and combined with a laser targeting system, that’ll give you a shooting range on the Normandy.)

Modifié par lillitheris, 05 juillet 2012 - 08:57 .

[Icyflare]

It's certainly morbidly fascinating in a way. I was actually thinking of using the west coast of North America along the Cascadian fault, as we're due for 9.0 magnitude earthquake within the next 300 years. As far as my research goes, should there be an earthquake before 2150s, we can expect these pleasant things:

-Strong shaking will last for 4 minutes, killing and injuring thousands.
-A tsunami up to 10 meters high will wash over the coast within minutes.
-Much of coastal Route 101 will be impassable due to wave and landslide damage.
-Parts of the coast will be cut off from inland cities when the roads are buried. Roads through the Cascades may likewise be blocked.
-For rescue, first aid, and immediate relief most places will be on their own.
-Utilities and transportation in the I-5/Highway 99 corridor will be disrupted for months.
-Cities may have "significant fatalities" as tall buildings collapse.
-Aftershocks will continue for years, some of them large earthquakes in themselves.

Some of the worst scenarios include hospitals and schools collapsing, along with bridges, parts of the cities built on silt/sand/mud/anything that's not bedrock, and any "historical" building. In the future, many buildings will probably be seismically upgraded with perhaps a better emergency response to such an event. Most likely, I will use an off-shore epicenter, so tsunamis and flooding are very likely to occur as well.

I wanted to use the earthquake in conjunction with an event where a cruiser of some sort explodes over the city, and thereby, establishing a second publicized eezo event for a biotic Shepard. The earthquake itself provides an alibi/another chance for my planned OCs to escape their obligations, as the amount of missing people would reach well into the thousands. It may be too convoluted as of the moment. I'm not even sure if I need both if I pick one or the other event (eezo leak or earthquake). If I do write a biotic Shepard, I need the eezo leak.

Maybe I can write in a few Alliance ships being destroyed during the earthquake or something =/

[lillitheris]

fluffywalrus wrote...

I would imagine that most major port cities near fault lines in the future would have safeguards against seismic events. Older infrastructure would likely be crippled and/or destroyed, while newer buildings would be built to withstand the brunt of such impacts. I'd say, decide on a port city with nice, old infrastructure(I'm not well-traveled, and I generally don't care for big cities so...I don't know an example here), or...well...just a hell of a lot of it (Los Angeles comes to mind).

I think 30 years to rebuild is feasible…if there is desire to do so. I think that’d be the biggest hurdle, especially with colonization efforts — not to mention that ports are likely to be far less important with ME transports making their way into the world. An old, decrepit port city without some universal historical appeal just might not garner enough interest.

(On the topic of LA, though, I think an 8.9 would be enough to finally sink large parts of the city.)

[fluffywalrus]

Icyflare wrote...

It's certainly morbidly fascinating in a way. I was actually thinking of using the west coast of North America along the Cascadian fault, as we're due for 9.0 magnitude earthquake within the next 300 years. As far as my research goes, should there be an earthquake before 2150s, we can expect these pleasant things:

-Strong shaking will last for 4 minutes, killing and injuring thousands.
-A tsunami up to 10 meters high will wash over the coast within minutes.
-Much of coastal Route 101 will be impassable due to wave and landslide damage.
-Parts of the coast will be cut off from inland cities when the roads are buried. Roads through the Cascades may likewise be blocked.
-For rescue, first aid, and immediate relief most places will be on their own.
-Utilities and transportation in the I-5/Highway 99 corridor will be disrupted for months.
-Cities may have "significant fatalities" as tall buildings collapse.
-Aftershocks will continue for years, some of them large earthquakes in themselves.

Some of the worst scenarios include hospitals and schools collapsing, along with bridges, parts of the cities built on silt/sand/mud/anything that's not bedrock, and any "historical" building. In the future, many buildings will probably be seismically upgraded with perhaps a better emergency response to such an event. Most likely, I will use an off-shore epicenter, so tsunamis and flooding are very likely to occur as well.

I wanted to use the earthquake in conjunction with an event where a cruiser of some sort explodes over the city, and thereby, establishing a second publicized eezo event for a biotic Shepard. The earthquake itself provides an alibi/another chance for my planned OCs to escape their obligations, as the amount of missing people would reach well into the thousands. It may be too convoluted as of the moment. I'm not even sure if I need both if I pick one or the other event (eezo leak or earthquake). If I do write a biotic Shepard, I need the eezo leak.

Maybe I can write in a few Alliance ships being destroyed during the earthquake or something =/

Aye, it's kind of wild what can be expected. A few years back I had this thing about tsunamis and spent, like, weeks just learning as much as I could about them. Honestly, I think anyone who lives on the coast and relatively near a faultline should be taught about them. There are so many videos out there where people go to the coast to watch a tsunami come in....just...think about how incredibly stupid that is. And then they die. It would be a better world if people heard "Tsunami" (or felt the ground shake when in a coastal area) and immediately started heading for higher ground, I'm just saying.  

But yeah, the idea about the eezo exposure is rather organic and could work if your Shep's a biotic eventually. It's always fun to hear how people figure out how their Sheps are exposed to it. The earthquake would be an interesting thing to live through, especially one of that magnitude. It's a compelling concept.

[Icyflare]

^Urgh, doing the research makes me wait to run out and buy an emergency earthquake kit, even though it's three in the morning.

Japan was, by far, the most well-prepared country for earthquakes in the world. My predictions for Vancouver, if not the west coast, would be that in 140 years, we would be only slightly better able to endure a 9.0 magnitude one than they had last year. We're that under-prepared.

As for the destruction of Alliance ships, it's hard to imagine one spreading eezo dust unless it was destroyed in the air over the city or the military compound it was stationed at was decimated at the earthquake and somehow, the eezo dust got into the groundwater, soil, or wind. I'd imagine at that point, the military would be seismically prepared to deal with such an event, but they may only structure their building to deal with 8.0 earthquake or so. Heck, maybe they were doing a run when the earthquake hit and their ships got damaged during take-off somehow, like getting hit from debris from a falling building. Heck, maybe they were still ironing out starships, and faulty construction of the eezo cores could bring the ships down themselves.

I wonder if the effects from eezo dust could linger in groundwater or soil. The codex never really specifies the amount of eezo one has to be exposed to be develop biotics/tumors.

There are videos of people getting themselves dying while trying to get closer to a tsunami? That's pretty much a Darwin award if I ever heard one. Some people simply don't have survival skills or smarts >_>

Modifié par Icyflare, 05 juillet 2012 - 10:43 .

[fluffywalrus]

Icyflare wrote...

^Urgh, doing the research makes me wait to run out and buy an emergency earthquake kit, even though it's three in the morning.

Japan was, by far, the most well-prepared country for earthquakes in the world. My predictions for Vancouver, if not the west coast, would be that in 140 years, we would be only slightly better able to endure a 9.0 magnitude one than they had last year. We're that under-prepared.

There are videos of people getting themselves dying while trying to get closer to a tsunami? That's pretty much a Darwin award if I ever heard one. Some people simply don't have survival skills or smarts >_>

Yeah, it's kind of horrific how terribly prepared the whole west coast is. I had a discussion with my natural history prof(who isn't an expert, per se, but has many friends in the field and is fairly passionate about being prepared) about it and it's just baffling how inept the response would be.

And yeah, I saw a few videos that one of my teachers in high school found. Showed them to us in our physical geography class....it was kind of disturbing and almost hilarious in how amazingly stupid some people are. Most videos were security cam footage, only one IIRC was a handy cam, but it was like...there would be ten, twenty people down near the shore, or on a dock, or whatnot, and then the wave would hit and they'd all be gone. Like, people with cameras, taking pictures at the big wave as if it were entirely harmless.

I figure, if you live on the coast, or are visiting the coast, you should at least have a basic idea of how water works, how waves work, what undertow is, what the difference is between a tidal wave and a tsunami, and how waves grow in height. It's realy easy stuff to wrap your head around and humanity would be much better off knowing that if a tsunami wave is coming in, its force is not like that of other waves, it won't be a single wave, and that you'd better hightail it to high ground if you want to avoid having a bad time.

I mean, Japan...they have this huge system to combat the effects of earthquakes and tsunamis, to warn all coastal communities. They have buildings built on (basically) springs, to absorb the impact and minimize damage. If not for some incredibly poor decisionmaking regarding the placement and engineering of their nuclear power plants, they would have been able to bounce back a LOT easier. Here in North America, it's like, we don't react unless something HUGE hits us...and then we do, and then we forget to do anything serious about it, and we forget about any preparation until it happens again, and we're just as shocked as before. It's silly.

Also, due to extreme lack of info on eezo dust distribution, and how it can affect people, whether it can pollute groundwater...that's up in the air...so I guess it's up to you. I would say that groundwater would likely dilute it too much for it to have much of any effect, personally, but who knows?

Modifié par fluffywalrus, 05 juillet 2012 - 10:46 .

[Drussius]

Just a thought here about the eezo thing, but if you're set on an earthquake, and I have to admit it's a compelling concept for a backstory, does it have to be a ship that causes the eezo contamination? I mean... eezo cores have to be manufactured somewhere, right? Perhaps the factory assembling them has a critical failure and when it collapses, several eezo cores are damaged and explode. Or something along those lines...

[Icyflare]

fluffywalrus wrote...

I figure, if you live on the coast, or are visiting the coast, you should at least have a basic idea of how water works, how waves work, what undertow is, what the difference is between a tidal wave and a tsunami, and how waves grow in height. It's realy easy stuff to wrap your head around and humanity would be much better off knowing that if a tsunami wave is coming in, its force is not like that of other waves, it won't be a single wave, and that you'd better hightail it to high ground if you want to avoid having a bad time.

I mean, Japan...they have this huge system to combat the effects of earthquakes and tsunamis, to warn all coastal communities. They have buildings built on (basically) springs, to absorb the impact and minimize damage. If not for some incredibly poor decisionmaking regarding the placement and engineering of their nuclear power plants, they would have been able to bounce back a LOT easier. Here in North America, it's like, we don't react unless something HUGE hits us...and then we do, and then we forget to do anything serious about it, and we forget about any preparation until it happens again, and we're just as shocked as before. It's silly.

Also, due to extreme lack of info on eezo dust distribution, and how it can affect people, whether it can pollute groundwater...that's up in the air...so I guess it's up to you. I would say that groundwater would likely dilute it too much for it to have much of any effect, personally, but who knows?

I don't know. I suppose your knowledge of the waves would depend on how prevalent they are in your life, whether you go down to the beach every day or are a fisherman out on a boat or something. A lot of it is ignorance. On the coast, we don't really learn about tsunamis because they happen so rarely; at least where I am at, they do. Other reasons can be something like a misguided belief about our mortality. "Pssh, that 11 meter tsunami certainly can't hurt me! I'll just swim my way home." Pushing that even further, we can always claim some cultural influence in their actions as well, as it's very ingrained in our awareness that people can post videos on youtube and get their 15 minutes of fame that way.

In the riots over the Stanley cup here last summer, people were taking photos and videos of others setting fires to things, looting stores, jumping on vehicles, and of general destruction overall. (I actually completely missed the riot, as I caught one of the last buses out of the downtown area before the police locked out transit and then proceeded to spend several hours arresting and tear gassing people). There's a strange fascination with taking these shocking images and uploading them on the internet, as if to say, "Hey guys, check out this cool thing I saw" without fully realizing the implications of what they've escaped. There's a riot happening in front of you, and you run out into the middle of the street to take a video of a guy hopping on a van? Awesome. Send it to your friends; otherwise, they won't believe it happened.

North America is a strange phenonemon when it comes to natural disasters. Half the time, people are aware of the risk, and yet, can't bring themselves to believe it may happen due to the infrequency of its nature or other more pressing concerns. It's unpleasant to think of how badly we'll die when the next disaster hits, and because it does so rarely, we can delude ourselves into a sense of security that it may never happen. Then the delusion is shattered when it does hit, and really, only the survivors and their relatives or the ones of the dead remember. Everyone else seems to forget, and the cycle repeats. To be fair, in most urban places, you're probably more likely to die in a car accident than, say, a tsunami. A lack of reminders about the very real and destavasting effects of natural disasters probably heavily contributes to this indifference or avoidance of preparing for such an event.

I figured as much about the groundwater too. The amount of eezo would probably have to be more concentrated than what groundwater or soil can provide. I figure the amount needed to expose a fetus can't be too heavy, or else, it would have detrimental effects on the mother as well. I refuse to believe that something so harmful to an unborn child can have no ill-effects on anyone else.

[Icyflare]

Drussius wrote...

Just a thought here about the eezo thing, but if you're set on an earthquake, and I have to admit it's a compelling concept for a backstory, does it have to be a ship that causes the eezo contamination? I mean... eezo cores have to be manufactured somewhere, right? Perhaps the factory assembling them has a critical failure and when it collapses, several eezo cores are damaged and explode. Or something along those lines...

No, it doesn't have to be a ship explosion, although the codex does say that the spreading of eezo dust is due to starship accidents. I actually love the eezo core factory idea. I may borrow it if that's all right with you, Drussius.

Anyways, off to bed. I'm really trying to avoid going to sleep by the time the sun rises.

Modifié par Icyflare, 05 juillet 2012 - 11:34 .

[Drussius]

Icyflare wrote...

Drussius wrote...

Just a thought here about the eezo thing, but if you're set on an earthquake, and I have to admit it's a compelling concept for a backstory, does it have to be a ship that causes the eezo contamination? I mean... eezo cores have to be manufactured somewhere, right? Perhaps the factory assembling them has a critical failure and when it collapses, several eezo cores are damaged and explode. Or something along those lines...

No, it doesn't have to be a ship explosion, although the codex does say that the spreading of eezo dust is due to starship accidents. I actually love the eezo core factory idea. I may borrow it if that's all right with you, Drussius.

Anyways, off to bed. I'm really trying to avoid going to sleep by the time the sun rises.

You are quite welcome to borrow it. I was just trying to offer an alternate theory as to how eezo dust could be spread without needing to have an earthquake AND a starship explosion in the same place and time. Use it as you please

[lillitheris]

^ It sounds like a reasonably good idea, although I think the time frame is important. As time progresses from the initial discovery, I would think that such manufacturing would be done off-planet. Consider that all the larger space ships would probably be manufactured in very low G, anyway, because they’re impractical/impossible to land on a larger planet.

[Lhino]

Hey guys, I just dropped in to introduce myself. I am going to start up my own Mass Effect inspired fan-fiction and I was referred here by ElectricZ. I am still writing the first bit of the story. It will be based on events that occur after Mass Effect 3. So far I have about 3 pages typed out of the actual story and another full page for the synopsis (I have been planning it for a while, finally found some time to do it). Any of you veterans have a few tips for a new-comer? I will most likely be posting it on fanfition.net.

[MidnightRaith]

I saw a video of the tsunami at Sri Lanka. People were also standing at the coast to watch and children were running out to the previously water covered ocean bottom to collect all the cool crap that apparently hangs out at the bottom of the ocean. Their ignorance is tragic. Despite the rarity of tsunamis, I would think that the west coast would teach kids some basic information about them, if only to avoid the fate of the Sri Lanka vacationers. However perhaps my living in Texas where one is very much prepared for hurricanes makes me a bit biased.

Thanks for all the responses to my problem, guys. I'll think on all of them and see what I come up with....

[lillitheris]

Hidyho, Lhino!

The only general tip is: write it

[Lhino]

lillitheris wrote...

Hidyho, Lhino!

The only general tip is: write it

Haha, thanks!

[dpMeggers]

Lhino wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Hidyho, Lhino!

The only general tip is: write it

Haha, thanks!

Also, proofread. Good luck. 

[Lhino]

dpMeggers wrote...

Lhino wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Hidyho, Lhino!

The only general tip is: write it

Haha, thanks!

Also, proofread. Good luck. 

Yeah, that is something I can get really paranoid about. I write something that is pretty cool, then end up staring at it for ages and eventually end up re-writing so much. I guess that in a way my paranoia is a good thing. 

[Drussius]

lillitheris wrote...

^ It sounds like a reasonably good idea, although I think the time frame is important. As time progresses from the initial discovery, I would think that such manufacturing would be done off-planet. Consider that all the larger space ships would probably be manufactured in very low G, anyway, because they’re impractical/impossible to land on a larger planet.

Starships would definitely be manufactured in zero-G. I don't remember how it was worded exactly, but something in the codex mentioned that many larger ships like dreadnoughts and cruisers cannot land on planets. Might have been in the section on discharging the electrical buildup. But from someone that used to work in the auto industry, I don't think it unreasonable that some components might be manufactured in one location and then shipped elsewhere to be incorporated into the final product. Sort of like engines are manufactured in one plant and then shipped to another plant to be incorporated into the automobile's final assembly.

Anyway, it was just an idea.

[MrDudley]

www.fanfiction.net/s/8244655/1/bMass_b_bEffect_b_b3_b_bIndoctrination_b

tell me what you think.

[MrStoob]

Lhino wrote...

dpMeggers wrote...

Lhino wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Hidyho, Lhino!

The only general tip is: write it

Haha, thanks!

Also, proofread. Good luck. 

Yeah, that is something I can get really paranoid about. I write something that is pretty cool, then end up staring at it for ages and eventually end up re-writing so much. I guess that in a way my paranoia is a good thing. 

Welcome.

Indeed, you can never proofread enough.  No matter how many pre-upload reads I do, something sneaks past and becomes apparent as soon as I do a final read on the live page.  At which point, someone might already be reading it and I start getting paranoid that they think I'm some kind of illiterate numpty lol.  But I'd also say don't beat yourself up about it if you do miss something, we're only human after all ^^

[Lhino]

MrStoob wrote...

Lhino wrote...

dpMeggers wrote...

Lhino wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Hidyho, Lhino!

The only general tip is: write it

Haha, thanks!

Also, proofread. Good luck. 

Yeah, that is something I can get really paranoid about. I write something that is pretty cool, then end up staring at it for ages and eventually end up re-writing so much. I guess that in a way my paranoia is a good thing. 

Welcome.

Indeed, you can never proofread enough.  No matter how many pre-upload reads I do, something sneaks past and becomes apparent as soon as I do a final read on the live page.  At which point, someone might already be reading it and I start getting paranoid that they think I'm some kind of illiterate numpty lol.  But I'd also say don't beat yourself up about it if you do miss something, we're only human after all ^^

Thanks for the welcome, yeah I read the following quote somewhere before and it is so true: "No matter how hard you try and how much you edit, the amazing, incredible story you have buzzing around your head will never be exactly what you want when you finally write it down. It will drive you crazy and you will want to pull your hair out, but the only way to get past it is to have a little faith in what you have written."

[dpMeggers]

Question: doing some writing for Akuze and I'm wondering which tanks I should used. The M29 Grizzly was the standard infantry tank for thirty years according to the wiki, which would span up to about 2180. The M35 Mako was developed for rapid response, which I assume a colony going dark would necessitate, but I haven't found it's development date. So, question is, Mako or Grizzly, or both, or Grizzly and some sort of proto-Mako?