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[Shepard Wins]

They are defending the Reapers! Just look at all the "why is synthesis hated" or "control and synthesis are a good ending!" threads.

[Samtheman63]

makes me sick too

[Humakt83]

"JOIN THE REAPERS!"

It is actually cool.

Modifié par Humakt83, 26 mai 2012 - 11:35 .

[Fnork]

[Shepard Wins]

Fnork wrote...

Too soon

[M Hedonist]

It's tragic.

[CyberEwan]

Maybe because, you know . . . they are actually not bad endings. They are resolutions to the Reaper threat, just like Destroy.

[Zix13]

CyberEwan wrote...

Maybe because, you know . . . they are actually not bad endings. They are resolutions to the Reaper threat, just like Destroy.

Lol no.
All three games have suggested that control is not a viable option, Reapers always win in a fight for control. You have no idea how long-lasting the now-dead Shep's control of the reapers will last.

Synthesis ignores both the reaper threat, and the synthetics threat(though this is fine since it's not important, other that in makes it stupid that godchild presented it as a solution) and turns everyone into cyborgs instead. Reapers will keep getting shot, they'll shoot back, war still happens. Synthetics can still be created, thus reapers need to finish the cycle anyways.

Destroy is the only definite, permanent, resolution of the reaper threat. 

[The Night Mammoth]

Why not, control is as viable as Destroy is.

You all just have to.......

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 26 mai 2012 - 02:29 .

[revo76]

I also started to like Control ending. Shepard became kinda Reaper god...

And after hundreds of years, Dark energy becomes important threat, suddenly Shepard arrives to Earth with a Reaper fleet, Harbinger is a flagship and he/she says 'Deal with it, primitives' And all asarii krogans are shocked to see him/her.




M A S S E F F E C T 4

[AtlasMickey]

Destroy is the worst ending of the lot. At least with Synthesis the possibilities are open. No, it's not necessarily the case that everyone's free will was infringed and no it definitely does not mean homogeneity. But with destroy you know you're a heartless genocidal maniac who would murder the most helpful friend you had.

[CyberEwan]

Also, an argument pro-destroy people use is "Why trust the Catalyst? What's to say the Reapers won't just take control of all organics once Synthesis is complete, or become free of Shepard's Control after five minutes and come back?". This is a pretty weak argument. After all, if you don't trust the Catalyst on Control and Synthesis, why should you on Destroy? What's to say the tube you shoot won't just short-circuit the Crucible? What's to say the Reapers won't just get back up after five minutes? By not trusting the Catalyst, you are preventing anyone from making cases for the three endings. For the sake of argument, we have to take the Catalyst's words as facts.

[Dean_the_Young]

Zix13 wrote...

CyberEwan wrote...

Maybe because, you know . . . they are actually not bad endings. They are resolutions to the Reaper threat, just like Destroy.

Lol no.
All three games have suggested that control is not a viable option, Reapers always win in a fight for control. You have no idea how long-lasting the now-dead Shep's control of the reapers will last.

According to the post-game congratulations, effectively infefinitely. Since the Reaper threat is ended and all.

Synthesis ignores both the reaper threat, and the synthetics threat(though this is fine since it's not important, other that in makes it stupid that godchild presented it as a solution) and turns everyone into cyborgs instead. Reapers will keep getting shot, they'll shoot back, war still happens. Synthetics can still be created, thus reapers need to finish the cycle anyways.

Not according to the ending that occurs.

Destroy is the only definite, permanent, resolution of the reaper threat. 

Wrong: Reapers can be rebuilt, ie it is not permanent.

[Mahrac]

AtlasMickey wrote...

Destroy is the worst ending of the lot. At least with Synthesis the possibilities are open. No, it's not necessarily the case that everyone's free will was infringed and no it definitely does not mean homogeneity. But with destroy you know you're a heartless genocidal maniac who would murder the most helpful friend you had.

How did you get from killing all genocidal robots that may or may not come back in the future to killing a friend?
 
I still say that not only does synthesis remove free will - I, for example, would be pissed if it happened to me - it also doesn't remove the Reapers 'purpose' since there's no proof that synthetics won't be built again and try to wipe out all hybrid life.

And control doesn't guarentee that Shepard will have control forever.

[jijeebo]

#Spider-man, Spider-man,
Does whatever a spider can,
Can he swing, from a web?
No he can't, he's indoctrinated,
Look oooouuuut, Spider-mans a husk.#


Seriously, all the endings are equally valid, get over yourselves Jesus.

[Galifreya]

AtlasMickey wrote...

Destroy is the worst ending of the lot. At least with Synthesis the possibilities are open. No, it's not necessarily the case that everyone's free will was infringed and no it definitely does not mean homogeneity. But with destroy you know you're a heartless genocidal maniac who would murder the most helpful friend you had.

If BioWare wanted a Ranegade Shepard to kill the Geth/EDI, they should've shown those consequences.

My point being, I won't believe EDI and the Geth died during destroy until I see it.

[Helios969]

AtlasMickey wrote...

Destroy is the worst ending of the lot. At least with Synthesis the possibilities are open. No, it's not necessarily the case that everyone's free will was infringed and no it definitely does not mean homogeneity. But with destroy you know you're a heartless genocidal maniac who would murder the most helpful friend you had.

HUH?  Synthesis equals everyone's the same.  I interpret it as diminished capacity for emotion, everyone thinks alike, no more conflict.  Mass Effect galaxy enjoys a lasting peace.  Not to mention control and synthesis are tools of the facist.  You are imposing your will on the entire galaxy, how are you not "infringing upon everyone's freewill."

Sorry EDI.  Sorry Geth.  Blast the Reapers into oblivion.  They deserve it.

[Aiyie]

must... fight... the... establishment.

[The Night Mammoth]

Helios969 wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

Destroy is the worst ending of the lot. At least with Synthesis the possibilities are open. No, it's not necessarily the case that everyone's free will was infringed and no it definitely does not mean homogeneity. But with destroy you know you're a heartless genocidal maniac who would murder the most helpful friend you had.

HUH?  Synthesis equals everyone's the same.  I interpret it as diminished capacity for emotion, everyone thinks alike, no more conflict.  Mass Effect galaxy enjoys a lasting peace.  Not to mention control and synthesis are tools of the facist.  You are imposing your will on the entire galaxy, how are you not "infringing upon everyone's freewill."

Sorry EDI.  Sorry Geth.  Blast the Reapers into oblivion.  They deserve it.

Explain how control imposes anything on anyone. 

Explain how this is somehow the tool of facist whilst eradicating an entire species for the beterment of the rest is somehow better. 

[CyberEwan]

Gallifreya wrote...

If BioWare wanted a Ranegade Shepard to kill the Geth/EDI, they should've shown those consequences.

My point being, I won't believe EDI and the Geth died during destroy until I see it.

Then I won't believe in Control that the Reapers ever got free from my control, nor that Shepard went insane or that they were indoctrinated, until I see it, and in Synthesis I won't believe everyone is huskified, or that everyone becomes indoctrinated, until I see it.

This is the trouble that argument of "Until I see it" causes. With it, we can never truly discuss the endings because we aren't going off of facts.

[Demoiselle]

Shepard Wins wrote...

They are defending the Reapers! Just look at all the "why is synthesis hated" or "control and synthesis are a good ending!" threads.

You know why those threads pop up?

Because of threads like these.

WHY do people keep creating threads just to demean anyone who didn't choose destroy, and insist that if you didn't choose it, you LOST?!

If you think it - fine. Speculation for everyone on the endings, we get it.

But those kind of threads have been created a hundred times over. It's just condenscending, and it's getting old.

[QuantumSheep13]

Destroy is the best. Synthesis is what Hitler would pick.

Yep, I just Godwinned the thread.  Enjoy.

[Helios969]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

Destroy is the worst ending of the lot. At least with Synthesis the possibilities are open. No, it's not necessarily the case that everyone's free will was infringed and no it definitely does not mean homogeneity. But with destroy you know you're a heartless genocidal maniac who would murder the most helpful friend you had.

HUH?  Synthesis equals everyone's the same.  I interpret it as diminished capacity for emotion, everyone thinks alike, no more conflict.  Mass Effect galaxy enjoys a lasting peace.  Not to mention control and synthesis are tools of the facist.  You are imposing your will on the entire galaxy, how are you not "infringing upon everyone's freewill."

Sorry EDI.  Sorry Geth.  Blast the Reapers into oblivion.  They deserve it.

Explain how control imposes anything on anyone. 

Explain how this is somehow the tool of facist whilst eradicating an entire species for the beterment of the rest is somehow better. 

Control is illusion.  Just as Illusive Man discovered.  Control results in Sheppard sacrificing humanity, which very well could result in coming to the same conclusion as star child and starting a new cycle of organic erradication.  Control even if it works results in subjugating the will of a species, (sociopathic as they may be.)   Would you want to be a puppet? or would you rather be dead?  I'd rather be DEAD.

[Vigilant111]

I have only met a maximum of 10 people who chose control/synthesis, so...rest probably went hiding

[Vigilant111]

Helios969 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

Destroy is the worst ending of the lot. At least with Synthesis the possibilities are open. No, it's not necessarily the case that everyone's free will was infringed and no it definitely does not mean homogeneity. But with destroy you know you're a heartless genocidal maniac who would murder the most helpful friend you had.

HUH?  Synthesis equals everyone's the same.  I interpret it as diminished capacity for emotion, everyone thinks alike, no more conflict.  Mass Effect galaxy enjoys a lasting peace.  Not to mention control and synthesis are tools of the facist.  You are imposing your will on the entire galaxy, how are you not "infringing upon everyone's freewill."

Sorry EDI.  Sorry Geth.  Blast the Reapers into oblivion.  They deserve it.

Explain how control imposes anything on anyone. 

Explain how this is somehow the tool of facist whilst eradicating an entire species for the beterment of the rest is somehow better. 

Control is illusion.  Just as Illusive Man discovered.  Control results in Sheppard sacrificing humanity, which very well could result in coming to the same conclusion as star child and starting a new cycle of organic erradication.  Control even if it works results in subjugating the will of a species, (sociopathic as they may be.)   Would you want to be a puppet? or would you rather be dead?  I'd rather be DEAD.

Imposing blah blah is a good argument against synthesis only, not control:)
need to use different tactic against different well, enemy:devil: