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[Leonardo the Magnificent]

Ugh, another thread where someone tries to force their interpretation of the ending on the rest of us. How edgy.

[Sohlito]

AtlasMickey wrote...

Destroy is the worst ending of the lot. At least with Synthesis the possibilities are open. No, it's not necessarily the case that everyone's free will was infringed and no it definitely does not mean homogeneity. But with destroy you know you're a heartless genocidal maniac who would murder the most helpful friend you had.

Geth/EDI =/= Rest of the Galaxy.

[dreamgazer]

Vigilant111 wrote...

I have only met a maximum of 10 people who chose control/synthesis, so...rest probably went hiding

This is true; however, many of the people who chose destroy have also posed very rational, thought-provoking cases for the other two options---especially synthesis.  Morally reprehensible, but perhaps worth considering for its advancements in the face of options which all have unsettling implications.  They lose me, though, when they start arguing that galaxy-wide augmentation isn't wrong.

Reading those alone has been worth the time.  I don't agree that it's the right choice, in the slightest, but hearing properly-posed counterpoints about advancement of technology in a race towards singularity and biological foundation-strengthening has proven fascinating---and I've enjoyed the back-and-forth on the topic, when it's stayed civil and free of insulting the other's intelligence. 

I love to explore ideas, though. 

[Helios969]

[quote]Vigilant111 wrote...

[quote]Helios969 wrote...

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Control is illusion.  Just as Illusive Man discovered.  Control results in Sheppard sacrificing humanity, which very well could result in coming to the same conclusion as star child and starting a new cycle of organic erradication.  Control even if it works results in subjugating the will of a species, (sociopathic as they may be.)   Would you want to be a puppet? or would you rather be dead?  I'd rather be DEAD.
[/quote]

Imposing blah blah is a good argument against synthesis only, not control:)
need to use different tactic against different well, enemy:devil:

[/quote]

Really?  That's the best you got?  You didn't answer question.  Puppet/Death.  A husk or a dead husk.  Reapers can't be controlled, far too dangerous to be left alive.

[Demoiselle]

dreamgazer wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...

I have only met a maximum of 10 people who chose control/synthesis, so...rest probably went hiding

This is true; however, many of the people who chose destroy have also posed very rational, thought-provoking cases for the other two options---especially synthesis.  Morally reprehensible, but perhaps worth considering for its advancements in the face of options which all have unsettling implications.  They lose me, though, when they start arguing that galaxy-wide augmentation isn't wrong.

Reading those alone has been worth the time.  I don't agree that it's the right choice, in the slightest, but hearing properly-posed counterpoints about advancement of technology in a race towards singularity and biological foundation-strengthening has proven fascinating---and I've enjoyed the back-and-forth on the topic, when it's stayed civil and free of insulting the other's intelligence. 

I love to explore ideas, though. 

Much respect for this guy. The vocal minority of Destroy supporters who come charging onto the forums just to demean anyone who didn't choose destroy gives a bad name to the rest of them.

[Vigilant111]

dreamgazer wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...

I have only met a maximum of 10 people who chose control/synthesis, so...rest probably went hiding

This is true; however, many of the people who chose destroy have also posed very rational, thought-provoking cases for the other two options---especially synthesis.  Morally reprehensible, but perhaps worth considering for its advancements in the face of options which all have unsettling implications.  They lose me, though, when they start arguing that galaxy-wide augmentation isn't wrong.

Reading those alone has been worth the time.  I don't agree that it's the right choice, in the slightest, but hearing properly-posed counterpoints about advancement of technology in a race towards singularity and biological foundation-strengthening has proven fascinating---and I've enjoyed the back-and-forth on the topic, when it's stayed civil and free of insulting the other's intelligence. 

I love to explore ideas, though. 

Sometimes I just got really angry posting on other threads, it sounded like I didn't care about EDI and the Geth, but I DO care, debating with them made me feel really sick, cos the only thing that bugged me is the killing of them both, if I explain it as a necessay sacrifice they just insult me by saying "oh u committed genocide and s**t", there is just way to much pressure been put on Shepard, I mean what did synthesis/control really sacrifice, f**king easy options

[Walsh1980]

Everyone loves using Hitler, as inappropriate as it is, to compare to Synthesis.

Well if Geth/EDI =/= Rest of the Galaxy, then I guess Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals, the Handicapped and many others =/= the Rest of Earth. Let's stop using ****'s and Hitler as comparisons and remember that none of the Mass Effect endings are good enough to even bother fighting over because we have no context or results to any of them.

[Soultaker08]

Why is there such a great need for confirming each other that your solution is the right one, if you believe in it you dont need such annoying threads

[Shepard Wins]

AtlasMickey wrote...

Destroy is the worst ending of the lot. At least with Synthesis the possibilities are open. No, it's not necessarily the case that everyone's free will was infringed and no it definitely does not mean homogeneity. But with destroy you know you're a heartless genocidal maniac who would murder the most helpful friend you had.

Listen to yourself! You're indoctrinated!

[jstme]

Indoctrinated? People are speculating. It (not IT) is just their vision of the green thingy that they like, since there are no real sensible details. Even if IT (not It) is correct,which is not a fact by the way - they do not as much accept reaper king choice in ME universe as simply go with what resonates with them - "ascending" ,"improving" and rest of the trans-humanism ideology.
If you read their threads - they do not exactly like the ending as it is, simply they apreciate that there is a game that is giving them the chance to make that highly controvertail and unpopular ascention choice ,forcing it on all the stupid ludist universe that cannot see what is good for it.
Rest of the game is irrelevant - reapers or whatever. So indoctrinated? Maybe but not by Catalyst, by trans-humanism interpritation.
At least this is how i see it.

[jijeebo]

Soultaker08 wrote...

Why is there such a great need for confirming each other that your solution is the right one, if you believe in it you dont need such annoying threads

Just like the console wars, some people aren't happy unless they all meet up and pat each other on the back for making the "Right" choice and then proceed to insult everyone who made the "Wrong" choice.


Apparently "Don't like it don't pick it." isn't enough anymore.

Modifié par jijeebo, 26 mai 2012 - 03:31 .

[Sohlito]

Walsh1980 wrote...

Everyone loves using Hitler, as inappropriate as it is, to compare to Synthesis.

Well if Geth/EDI =/= Rest of the Galaxy, then I guess Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals, the Handicapped and many others =/= the Rest of Earth. Let's stop using ****'s and Hitler as comparisons and remember that none of the Mass Effect endings are good enough to even bother fighting over because we have no context or results to any of them.

...Really? I see my post twisted into your nonsensical tirade, so I'll assume it's directed at me to some extent.

Did I mention Hitler? Or the Jews? The intent of my post was to state that EDI and the Geth do not, under any circumstance, sufficiently warrant hesitation when the rest of the galaxy is at stake. That's potentially trillions upon trillions of lives in comparison to millions or less of the Geth, and one EDI.

As Garrus put it, "ruthless calculus"; but necessary.

I will agree with your second point though.

[Shepard Wins]

jijeebo wrote...

Soultaker08 wrote...

Why is there such a great need for confirming each other that your solution is the right one, if you believe in it you dont need such annoying threads

Just like the console wars, some people aren't happy unless they all meet up and pat each other on the back for making the "Right" choice and then proceed to insult everyone who made the "Wrong" choice.


Apparently "Don't like it don't pick it." isn't enough anymore.

Apparently jokingly calling someone "indoctrinated", in reference to the Indoc Theory, in the context of it being an in-game term, is considered insulting now.

[The Night Mammoth]

Helios969 wrote...

Control is illusion.  Just as Illusive Man discovered.  

The Illusive Man discovered he could control the Reapers, he was right, you can. The problem was finding something to distribute the signal. Enter the Crucible. He was right. The only problem was his indoctrination and motives. 

Control results in Sheppard sacrificing humanity, which very well could result in coming to the same conclusion as star child and starting a new cycle of organic erradication.  

Sepculation. 

Control even if it works results in subjugating the will of a species, (sociopathic as they may be.)   Would you want to be a puppet? or would you rather be dead?  I'd rather be DEAD.

Well that's a ropey argument if I ever saw one. 

Destroy the Reapers unconditionally whilst sacrificing the Geth to do it because the Reapers are evil and shouldn't be allowed to live is all fine, but controlling them to solve the galaxy's immediate problems before destroying them; no way that's wrong and unethical. 

[jijeebo]

Shepard Wins wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Soultaker08 wrote...

Why is there such a great need for confirming each other that your solution is the right one, if you believe in it you dont need such annoying threads

Just like the console wars, some people aren't happy unless they all meet up and pat each other on the back for making the "Right" choice and then proceed to insult everyone who made the "Wrong" choice.


Apparently "Don't like it don't pick it." isn't enough anymore.

Apparently jokingly calling someone "indoctrinated", in reference to the Indoc Theory, in the context of it being an in-game term, is considered insulting now.

Comparing someone to Hitler is pretty damn insulting, and that has happened on this very thread. <_<


Your post might not have been particularly insulting by itself, but it was encouraging anti-Control/Synthesis flaming that leads to these ludicrous comparisons.

Modifié par jijeebo, 26 mai 2012 - 03:49 .

[dreman9999]

CyberEwan wrote...

Maybe because, you know . . . they are actually not bad endings. They are resolutions to the Reaper threat, just like Destroy.

...By giving the reapers what they want...

[dreman9999]

[quote]Helios969 wrote...

[quote]Vigilant111 wrote...

[quote]Helios969 wrote...

[/quote]

Control is illusion.  Just as Illusive Man discovered.  Control results in Sheppard sacrificing humanity, which very well could result in coming to the same conclusion as star child and starting a new cycle of organic erradication.  Control even if it works results in subjugating the will of a species, (sociopathic as they may be.)   Would you want to be a puppet? or would you rather be dead?  I'd rather be DEAD.
[/quote]

Imposing blah blah is a good argument against synthesis only, not control:)
need to use different tactic against different well, enemy:devil:

[/quote]

Really?  That's the best you got?  You didn't answer question.  Puppet/Death.  A husk or a dead husk.  Reapers can't be controlled, far too dangerous to be left alive.[/quote]The best conter agument of control is the meaning of the vague statement..."You will die. You will control us but lose everything you have."

[dreman9999]

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Modifié par dreman9999, 26 mai 2012 - 03:58 .

[Helios969]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

Control is illusion.  Just as Illusive Man discovered.  

The Illusive Man discovered he could control the Reapers, he was right, you can. The problem was finding something to distribute the signal. Enter the Crucible. He was right. The only problem was his indoctrination and motives. 

TIM only thought he controlled the Reapers, he was actually being controlled.  As to at what point he actually fell under their control is of much speculation.  Whether star child is actually telling the truth or even actually exists is more speculation.

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

Control is illusion.  Just as Illusive Man discovered.  

The Illusive Man discovered he could control the Reapers, he was right, you can. The problem was finding something to distribute the signal. Enter the Crucible. He was right. The only problem was his indoctrination and motives. 

Control results in Sheppard sacrificing humanity, which very well could result in coming to the same conclusion as star child and starting a new cycle of organic erradication.  

Sepculation. 

Control even if it works results in subjugating the will of a species, (sociopathic as they may be.)   Would you want to be a puppet? or would you rather be dead?  I'd rather be DEAD.

Well that's a ropey argument if I ever saw one. 

Destroy the Reapers unconditionally whilst sacrificing the Geth to do it because the Reapers are evil and shouldn't be allowed to live is all fine, but controlling them to solve the galaxy's immediate problems before destroying them; no way that's wrong and unethical. 

1. What does the vague statement"You will die. You can control us but lose everything you have "mean?
As I the starchild even telling the truth?

2. The geth already said they would die to stop the reapers.

[jijeebo]

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Shepard Wins wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Soultaker08 wrote...

Why is there such a great need for confirming each other that your solution is the right one, if you believe in it you dont need such annoying threads

Just like the console wars, some people aren't happy unless they all meet up and pat each other on the back for making the "Right" choice and then proceed to insult everyone who made the "Wrong" choice.


Apparently "Don't like it don't pick it." isn't enough anymore.

Apparently jokingly calling someone "indoctrinated", in reference to the Indoc Theory, in the context of it being an in-game term, is considered insulting now.

Comparing someone to Hitler is pretty damn insulting, and that has happened on this very thread. <_<


Your post might not have been particularly insulting by itself, but it was encouraging anti-Control/Synthesis flaming that leads to these ludicrous comparisons.

How many people die because of the starchild's salution.....If the shoe fits....

There is absolutely no way to justify comparing someone to Hitler because they chose to merge organics and synthetics rather than killing synthetics in a video game... So don't even try it.

[Shepard Wins]

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Shepard Wins wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Soultaker08 wrote...

Why is there such a great need for confirming each other that your solution is the right one, if you believe in it you dont need such annoying threads

Just like the console wars, some people aren't happy unless they all meet up and pat each other on the back for making the "Right" choice and then proceed to insult everyone who made the "Wrong" choice.


Apparently "Don't like it don't pick it." isn't enough anymore.

Apparently jokingly calling someone "indoctrinated", in reference to the Indoc Theory, in the context of it being an in-game term, is considered insulting now.

Comparing someone to Hitler is pretty damn insulting, and that has happened on this very thread. <_<


Your post might not have been particularly insulting by itself, but it was encouraging anti-Control/Synthesis flaming that leads to these ludicrous comparisons.

How many people die because of the starchild's salution.....If the shoe fits....

Well, the Hitler comparison is out of place, it's... distasteful. But I still believe that Synthesis is horrendously evil and that if you pick this or Control, you're (ingame speaking ofcourse) indoctrinated

[xsdob]

If control has the reapers break free of shepards control and go on a harvesting spree and synthesis destroys only organics, removes their emotions, and turns them into husk, than I propose the thought that destroy has the reapers suddenly wake up 5 minutes after the initial blast and destroy everything.

If were going to ignore the ending scene of joker and edi being ok and keeping their minds in tact, the stargazer scene, and the ending message like in dragonage origins to buy more dlc than I'm going to start coming up with ways destroy fails.

For example, my old heating vent theory from a while back.

Destroy is a trick from the catalyst, that tube is simply part of the citadels temperature control system and when shepard shoots it the highly pressurized air for inside the tube reacts violently with the outside air pressure and explodes. Shepard is now having a concussion induced dream about the reapers and depending on the ems shepard either slips into a coma and dies or he wakes up and must choose between disintegrating himself and falling to his death.

Because honestly, this thread was doomed from any sort of construtive or meaningful discussion as soon as the op accused people of indoctrination and bashed the people who choose different from his/her shepard's choice.

Modifié par xsdob, 26 mai 2012 - 04:06 .

[dreman9999]

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Shepard Wins wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Soultaker08 wrote...

Why is there such a great need for confirming each other that your solution is the right one, if you believe in it you dont need such annoying threads

Just like the console wars, some people aren't happy unless they all meet up and pat each other on the back for making the "Right" choice and then proceed to insult everyone who made the "Wrong" choice.


Apparently "Don't like it don't pick it." isn't enough anymore.

Apparently jokingly calling someone "indoctrinated", in reference to the Indoc Theory, in the context of it being an in-game term, is considered insulting now.

Comparing someone to Hitler is pretty damn insulting, and that has happened on this very thread. <_<


Your post might not have been particularly insulting by itself, but it was encouraging anti-Control/Synthesis flaming that leads to these ludicrous comparisons.

How many people die because of the starchild's salution.....If the shoe fits....

There is absolutely no way to justify comparing someone to Hitler because they chose to merge organics and synthetics rather than killing synthetics in a video game... So don't even try it.

What? who compear anyone who choose synthesis or control to hitler?

[Joe Del Toro]

Bit of a harmless joke, but did we really need another thread like this?

Sidenote, @jijeebo, absolutely love your avatar