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[jijeebo]

Shepard Wins wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
]How many people die because of the starchild's salution.....If the shoe fits....

Well, the Hitler comparison is out of place, it's... distasteful. But I still believe that Synthesis is horrendously evil and that if you pick this or Control, you're (ingame speaking ofcourse) indoctrinated

If my Shepard has to be indoctrinated for me to be able to headcanon in all my reaper schenannigans post-campaign (Harbinger totally opens a one-man show on Broadway entitled "This Hurts Me: The Chilling Story of One Reapers Battle with Alcohol.")... Then so be it.

[LinksOcarina]

Oh well, OP can **** off if he feels like it. People have opinions you know.

[jules_vern18]

Helios969 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

Destroy is the worst ending of the lot. At least with Synthesis the possibilities are open. No, it's not necessarily the case that everyone's free will was infringed and no it definitely does not mean homogeneity. But with destroy you know you're a heartless genocidal maniac who would murder the most helpful friend you had.

HUH?  Synthesis equals everyone's the same.  I interpret it as diminished capacity for emotion, everyone thinks alike, no more conflict.  Mass Effect galaxy enjoys a lasting peace.  Not to mention control and synthesis are tools of the facist.  You are imposing your will on the entire galaxy, how are you not "infringing upon everyone's freewill."

Sorry EDI.  Sorry Geth.  Blast the Reapers into oblivion.  They deserve it.

Explain how control imposes anything on anyone. 

Explain how this is somehow the tool of facist whilst eradicating an entire species for the beterment of the rest is somehow better. 

Control is illusion.  Just as Illusive Man discovered.  Control results in Sheppard sacrificing humanity, which very well could result in coming to the same conclusion as star child and starting a new cycle of organic erradication.  Control even if it works results in subjugating the will of a species, (sociopathic as they may be.)   Would you want to be a puppet? or would you rather be dead?  I'd rather be DEAD.

^^^^^^But is it really better to annihilate the geth than to make the Reapers into "puppets"?

The Reapers are already "puppets" of the catalyst, so there's no real change there anyway.  Also, we know that control ends the reaper threat because the game tells us so after we pick it. 

[dreman9999]

xsdob wrote...

If control has the reapers break free of shepards control and go on a harvesting spree and synthesis destroys only organics, removes their emotions, and turns them into husk, than I propose the thought that destroy has the reapers suddenly wake up 5 minutes after the initial blast and destroy everything.

If were going to ignore the ending scene of joker and edi being ok and keeping their minds in tact, the stargazer scene, and the ending message like in dragonage origins to buy more dlc than I'm going to start coming up with ways destroy fails.

For example, my old heating vent theory from a while back.

Destroy is a trick from the catalyst, that tube is simply part of the citadels temperature control system and when shepard shoots it the highly pressurized air for inside the tube reacts violently with the outside air pressure and explodes. Shepard is now having a concussion induced dream about the reapers and depending on the ems shepard either slips into a coma and dies or he wakes up and must choose between disintegrating himself and falling to his death.

Because honestly, this thread was doomed for any sort of construtive or meaningful discussion as soon as the op accused people of indoctrination and bashed the people who choose different from his/her shepard's choice.

The problem is that ther is nothing to support your claim the the reaper come right back up in destory. In the lore, the reapers are shown to have mind control abilities over organics. And the explination of control has no guarrantee of how intacter Shepard willbe when he takes control.
What does the vague line"You will die. You can control us but lose everything you have" mean?

[dreman9999]

jules_vern18 wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

Destroy is the worst ending of the lot. At least with Synthesis the possibilities are open. No, it's not necessarily the case that everyone's free will was infringed and no it definitely does not mean homogeneity. But with destroy you know you're a heartless genocidal maniac who would murder the most helpful friend you had.

HUH?  Synthesis equals everyone's the same.  I interpret it as diminished capacity for emotion, everyone thinks alike, no more conflict.  Mass Effect galaxy enjoys a lasting peace.  Not to mention control and synthesis are tools of the facist.  You are imposing your will on the entire galaxy, how are you not "infringing upon everyone's freewill."

Sorry EDI.  Sorry Geth.  Blast the Reapers into oblivion.  They deserve it.

Explain how control imposes anything on anyone. 

Explain how this is somehow the tool of facist whilst eradicating an entire species for the beterment of the rest is somehow better. 

Control is illusion.  Just as Illusive Man discovered.  Control results in Sheppard sacrificing humanity, which very well could result in coming to the same conclusion as star child and starting a new cycle of organic erradication.  Control even if it works results in subjugating the will of a species, (sociopathic as they may be.)   Would you want to be a puppet? or would you rather be dead?  I'd rather be DEAD.

^^^^^^But is it really better to annihilate the geth than to make the Reapers into "puppets"?

The Reapers are already "puppets" of the catalyst, so there's no real change there anyway.  Also, we know that control ends the reaper threat because the game tells us so after we pick it. 

It also told us the story is going to be continued via dlc...And we are getting DLC to expline the ending .So uing that as a point has no ground.

[jijeebo]

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...


There is absolutely no way to justify comparing someone to Hitler because they chose to merge organics and synthetics rather than killing synthetics in a video game... So don't even try it.

What? who compear anyone who choose synthesis or control to hitler?

You did when you jumped into a conversation I was having where I was discussing this EXACT comparison and literally posted a comment that said "If the shoe fits..."


You really need to make sure you know what people are actually discussing before interjecting.

[poundoffleshaa]

Synthesis infringes free-will no matter what, synthesis represents a massive undefined change of everyone without asking everyone's permission.

[dreman9999]

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...


There is absolutely no way to justify comparing someone to Hitler because they chose to merge organics and synthetics rather than killing synthetics in a video game... So don't even try it.

What? who compear anyone who choose synthesis or control to hitler?

You did when you jumped into a conversation I was having where I was discussing this EXACT comparison and literally posted a comment that said "If the shoe fits..."


You really need to make sure you know what people are actually discussing before interjecting.

I was calling the starchild hitler.

[jules_vern18]

dreman9999 wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

Destroy is the worst ending of the lot. At least with Synthesis the possibilities are open. No, it's not necessarily the case that everyone's free will was infringed and no it definitely does not mean homogeneity. But with destroy you know you're a heartless genocidal maniac who would murder the most helpful friend you had.

HUH?  Synthesis equals everyone's the same.  I interpret it as diminished capacity for emotion, everyone thinks alike, no more conflict.  Mass Effect galaxy enjoys a lasting peace.  Not to mention control and synthesis are tools of the facist.  You are imposing your will on the entire galaxy, how are you not "infringing upon everyone's freewill."

Sorry EDI.  Sorry Geth.  Blast the Reapers into oblivion.  They deserve it.

Explain how control imposes anything on anyone. 

Explain how this is somehow the tool of facist whilst eradicating an entire species for the beterment of the rest is somehow better. 

Control is illusion.  Just as Illusive Man discovered.  Control results in Sheppard sacrificing humanity, which very well could result in coming to the same conclusion as star child and starting a new cycle of organic erradication.  Control even if it works results in subjugating the will of a species, (sociopathic as they may be.)   Would you want to be a puppet? or would you rather be dead?  I'd rather be DEAD.

^^^^^^But is it really better to annihilate the geth than to make the Reapers into "puppets"?

The Reapers are already "puppets" of the catalyst, so there's no real change there anyway.  Also, we know that control ends the reaper threat because the game tells us so after we pick it. 

It also told us the story is going to be continued via dlc...And we are getting DLC to expline the ending .So uing that as a point has no ground.

Bioware has said that we aren't getting post-ending dlc.  Most likely to be stuff along the lines of Omega.

[jijeebo]

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...


There is absolutely no way to justify comparing someone to Hitler because they chose to merge organics and synthetics rather than killing synthetics in a video game... So don't even try it.

What? who compear anyone who choose synthesis or control to hitler?

You did when you jumped into a conversation I was having where I was discussing this EXACT comparison and literally posted a comment that said "If the shoe fits..."


You really need to make sure you know what people are actually discussing before interjecting.

I was calling the starchild hitler.

Sorry, I thought you were implying that people who chose Control/Synthesis were following the same actions of the Catalyst and were, by extension, like Hitler.


I do apologise for being a bit rude, but it REALLY rubs me the wrong way when people pull the "Synthesis is like Hitler." card.

[xsdob]

dreman9999 wrote...

xsdob wrote...

If control has the reapers break free of shepards control and go on a harvesting spree and synthesis destroys only organics, removes their emotions, and turns them into husk, than I propose the thought that destroy has the reapers suddenly wake up 5 minutes after the initial blast and destroy everything.

If were going to ignore the ending scene of joker and edi being ok and keeping their minds in tact, the stargazer scene, and the ending message like in dragonage origins to buy more dlc than I'm going to start coming up with ways destroy fails.

For example, my old heating vent theory from a while back.

Destroy is a trick from the catalyst, that tube is simply part of the citadels temperature control system and when shepard shoots it the highly pressurized air for inside the tube reacts violently with the outside air pressure and explodes. Shepard is now having a concussion induced dream about the reapers and depending on the ems shepard either slips into a coma and dies or he wakes up and must choose between disintegrating himself and falling to his death.

Because honestly, this thread was doomed for any sort of construtive or meaningful discussion as soon as the op accused people of indoctrination and bashed the people who choose different from his/her shepard's choice.

The problem is that ther is nothing to support your claim the the reaper come right back up in destory. In the lore, the reapers are shown to have mind control abilities over organics. And the explination of control has no guarrantee of how intacter Shepard willbe when he takes control.
What does the vague line"You will die. You can control us but lose everything you have" mean?

Reaper corpses now indoctrinate the entire population of earth and all the people in the vacinity of the reapers, they now begin studying the reapers and than create a reaper shell of their own to pour each of their collective conciousnesses into.

I support this from the various reports throughout mass effect 3 about the destroyed or killed reapers still having their ability to indoctrinate, according to the shadow broker reports in liara's cabin, and from mass effect 2 where a dead reaper from hundreds of thousands of years ago still indoctrinated an entire research team, because, and I quote,

"Even a dead god can dream."

Of course this is all speculation, along with people saying synthesis is a huskification process and control is only temporary.

I look forward to the extended cut explaining the ending choices and consequences more and proving me wrong.

[dreman9999]

jules_vern18 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

Destroy is the worst ending of the lot. At least with Synthesis the possibilities are open. No, it's not necessarily the case that everyone's free will was infringed and no it definitely does not mean homogeneity. But with destroy you know you're a heartless genocidal maniac who would murder the most helpful friend you had.

HUH?  Synthesis equals everyone's the same.  I interpret it as diminished capacity for emotion, everyone thinks alike, no more conflict.  Mass Effect galaxy enjoys a lasting peace.  Not to mention control and synthesis are tools of the facist.  You are imposing your will on the entire galaxy, how are you not "infringing upon everyone's freewill."

Sorry EDI.  Sorry Geth.  Blast the Reapers into oblivion.  They deserve it.

Explain how control imposes anything on anyone. 

Explain how this is somehow the tool of facist whilst eradicating an entire species for the beterment of the rest is somehow better. 

Control is illusion.  Just as Illusive Man discovered.  Control results in Sheppard sacrificing humanity, which very well could result in coming to the same conclusion as star child and starting a new cycle of organic erradication.  Control even if it works results in subjugating the will of a species, (sociopathic as they may be.)   Would you want to be a puppet? or would you rather be dead?  I'd rather be DEAD.

^^^^^^But is it really better to annihilate the geth than to make the Reapers into "puppets"?

The Reapers are already "puppets" of the catalyst, so there's no real change there anyway.  Also, we know that control ends the reaper threat because the game tells us so after we pick it. 

It also told us the story is going to be continued via dlc...And we are getting DLC to expline the ending .So uing that as a point has no ground.

Bioware has said that we aren't getting post-ending dlc.  Most likely to be stuff along the lines of Omega.

When Had I say it would be post ending....We cleary are getting an ending clarification dlc, so to say that the ending statement is a clarification of the endings being final a can be used...We still are getting more to the ending.

[PsyrenY]

Zix13 wrote...

CyberEwan wrote...

Maybe because, you know . . . they are actually not bad endings. They are resolutions to the Reaper threat, just like Destroy.

Lol no.
All three games have suggested that control is not a viable option, Reapers always win in a fight for control. You have no idea how long-lasting the now-dead Shep's control of the reapers will last.

Synthesis ignores both the reaper threat, and the synthetics threat(though this is fine since it's not important, other that in makes it stupid that godchild presented it as a solution) and turns everyone into cyborgs instead. Reapers will keep getting shot, they'll shoot back, war still happens. Synthetics can still be created, thus reapers need to finish the cycle anyways.

Destroy is the only definite, permanent, resolution of the reaper threat. 

All three endings get this:



You "ended the Reaper threat," so Control and Synthesis worked just as well as Destroy. Deal with it already, they're all viable choices.

[Shepard Wins]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Oh well, OP can **** off if he feels like it. People have opinions you know.

Well it's my opinion that if their opinions are that Synthesis or Control are good then they have been indoctrinated:P

Modifié par Shepard Wins, 26 mai 2012 - 04:20 .

[xsdob]

wiggles89 wrote...

Cool story, needs more dragons.

And colorful darkspawn

[PsyrenY]

Shepard Wins wrote...

Well if their opinions are that Synthesis or Control are good then they have been indoctrinated:P

If by "indoctrinated" you mean "won the war without becoming a mass murderer" then yeah, put me down in that column.

[Grimwick]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Shepard Wins wrote...

Well if their opinions are that Synthesis or Control are good then they have been indoctrinated:P

If by "indoctrinated" you mean "won the war without becoming a mass murderer" then yeah, put me down in that column.

Unless the geth were already dead... in which case then people who picked destroy simply 'won the war'.

[Rip504]

revo76 wrote...

I also started to like Control ending. Shepard became a* Reaper god...

And after hundreds of years, Dark energy becomes important threat, suddenly Shepard arrives to Earth with a Reaper fleet, Harbinger is a flagship and he/she says 'Deal with it, primitives' And all asarii krogans are shocked to see him/her.




M A S S E F F E C T 4

Bought!

My exact first thought during this scene.

[dreman9999]

xsdob wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

xsdob wrote...

If control has the reapers break free of shepards control and go on a harvesting spree and synthesis destroys only organics, removes their emotions, and turns them into husk, than I propose the thought that destroy has the reapers suddenly wake up 5 minutes after the initial blast and destroy everything.

If were going to ignore the ending scene of joker and edi being ok and keeping their minds in tact, the stargazer scene, and the ending message like in dragonage origins to buy more dlc than I'm going to start coming up with ways destroy fails.

For example, my old heating vent theory from a while back.

Destroy is a trick from the catalyst, that tube is simply part of the citadels temperature control system and when shepard shoots it the highly pressurized air for inside the tube reacts violently with the outside air pressure and explodes. Shepard is now having a concussion induced dream about the reapers and depending on the ems shepard either slips into a coma and dies or he wakes up and must choose between disintegrating himself and falling to his death.

Because honestly, this thread was doomed for any sort of construtive or meaningful discussion as soon as the op accused people of indoctrination and bashed the people who choose different from his/her shepard's choice.

The problem is that ther is nothing to support your claim the the reaper come right back up in destory. In the lore, the reapers are shown to have mind control abilities over organics. And the explination of control has no guarrantee of how intacter Shepard willbe when he takes control.
What does the vague line"You will die. You can control us but lose everything you have" mean?

Reaper corpses now indoctrinate the entire population of earth and all the people in the vacinity of the reapers, they now begin studying the reapers and than create a reaper shell of their own to pour each of their collective conciousnesses into.

I support this from the various reports throughout mass effect 3 about the destroyed or killed reapers still having their ability to indoctrinate, according to the shadow broker reports in liara's cabin, and from mass effect 2 where a dead reaper from hundreds of thousands of years ago still indoctrinated an entire research team, because, and I quote,

"Even a dead god can dream."

Of course this is all speculation, along with people saying synthesis is a huskification process and control is only temporary.

I look forward to the extended cut explaining the ending choices and consequences more and proving me wrong.

Indoctrination has to be directed. If nothing is their to direct it, it never a problem. You many say that the dirlect reaper may say other wize but that would missthe fact that there still reaper in esistance to direct the indoctrination of who ever was on that ship. Indoctrination devies work by setting up the foundation of indoctrination in the limbic system of the  mind of the inductee and a qec connetion. THis many be wy the reaper core in the normady has not indoctrinated anyone, because it's attacted to an inteligence that does not want to indoctrinate any one further. Edi is shown to be able to manipulate the reapers code and tells you that it activly seeks other intelligence.

[Vigilant111]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

CyberEwan wrote...

Maybe because, you know . . . they are actually not bad endings. They are resolutions to the Reaper threat, just like Destroy.

Lol no.
All three games have suggested that control is not a viable option, Reapers always win in a fight for control. You have no idea how long-lasting the now-dead Shep's control of the reapers will last.

Synthesis ignores both the reaper threat, and the synthetics threat(though this is fine since it's not important, other that in makes it stupid that godchild presented it as a solution) and turns everyone into cyborgs instead. Reapers will keep getting shot, they'll shoot back, war still happens. Synthetics can still be created, thus reapers need to finish the cycle anyways.

Destroy is the only definite, permanent, resolution of the reaper threat. 

All three endings get this:



You "ended the Reaper threat," so Control and Synthesis worked just as well as Destroy. Deal with it already, they're all viable choices.

yeah by allowing the reapers live!!!!!

[dreamgazer]

Optimystic_X wrote... 

All three endings get this:



You "ended the Reaper threat," so Control and Synthesis worked just as well as Destroy. Deal with it already, they're all viable choices.

To be fair, that prompt screen is a nightmare in the spectrum of semantics.  "Commander Shepard has become a legend by ending the Reaper threat" implies that it has happened at some point, yes, but it never says when.  

The events that happen post-choice could still dictate that. 

[dreman9999]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

CyberEwan wrote...

Maybe because, you know . . . they are actually not bad endings. They are resolutions to the Reaper threat, just like Destroy.

Lol no.
All three games have suggested that control is not a viable option, Reapers always win in a fight for control. You have no idea how long-lasting the now-dead Shep's control of the reapers will last.

Synthesis ignores both the reaper threat, and the synthetics threat(though this is fine since it's not important, other that in makes it stupid that godchild presented it as a solution) and turns everyone into cyborgs instead. Reapers will keep getting shot, they'll shoot back, war still happens. Synthetics can still be created, thus reapers need to finish the cycle anyways.

Destroy is the only definite, permanent, resolution of the reaper threat. 

All three endings get this:



You "ended the Reaper threat," so Control and Synthesis worked just as well as Destroy. Deal with it already, they're all viable choices.

And EC counters it...Moving on....

[poundoffleshaa]

Optimystic_X wrote...


All three endings get this:



You "ended the Reaper threat," so Control and Synthesis worked just as well as Destroy. Deal with it already, they're all viable choices.

Lol you see right there I see Advert rather than plot expostion, so I say it isn't canon beccause every other thing they said about Mass Effect 3 in via advertising turned out to be less than true.

Modifié par poundoffleshaa, 26 mai 2012 - 04:25 .

[Shepard Wins]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Shepard Wins wrote...

Well if their opinions are that Synthesis or Control are good then they have been indoctrinated:P

If by "indoctrinated" you mean "won the war without becoming a mass murderer" then yeah, put me down in that column.

Yeah, but by "indoctrinated" I mean "indoctrinated", sorry brah.