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FBWGG - Totally Underrated, Vital Lessons Taught/Learned


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neteng101

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People that complain about FBWGG totally fail to understand that this is a co-op MP game, ie. team effort, and not just about me, me, and more ME...  if the FBWGG players were thrown into all your gold games, then you'd just be complaining about how PuG players all are lousy (compared to your immortal godliness yeah we know the likes of you - called elitists!).

That aside, FBWGG really teaches all the basic tactics and strategy for success in the game.
  • How to hold a defensive position and focus fire on your enemies
  • Understanding of spawn points and knowing where your enemies will spawn/come from you at
  • How to grab kill and use cover effectively
  • Value of a good decoy/distraction that keeps enemies occupied - not just the Salarian decoy, but Geth and even Quarian turrets take the attention/fire away from the team
  • Value of having a good infiltrator - one that does objectives, revves falled teammates and can hold point (best to have one really good infiltrator hold point outside so nothing slips by the back door unannounced), who cares if they score the highest every round, they've earned it.
  • Clearing hack zones and moving to hack zones...  you don't sit behind the counter all the time.  Cobra to clear hack zone if necessary, though most times you can take the hack zone without using it.  Just don't go running blindly into the hack zone.
  • Two manning disable objectives...  when you don't have an infiltrator around.  Best done with one person that can create some distraction (decoy, turret) or an AJA for bubble protection.  The other two must stay put and draw aggro.  Don't kill the spawn coming at you with a Cobra unless you're about to be overrun, because another group will just respawn.
  • Weapon choices and mechanics...  you quickly learn what weapons will work and what you need on them.  Choosing a GPR without AP mod/ammo is something you won't do more than once.  I had a Revenant X on a Batarian soldier with weapon damage spec and AP mod, still feels like it needed more punch and took way too many bullets to do the job.  Practiced with the GPS and some other shotguns a lot myself, and now I get how to use them right.
  • How to extract properly...  yup, Full Extraction on FBWGG, and not just running to the LZ or staying behind the counters.
  • Value of Tech Bursts/Biotic Explosions - ED/chain Overload spam or Reave/Throw melts the enemies away quickly.
  • Bubble placement - Biotic Sphere and Statis bubble placed at chokepoints for explosions or to freeze unshielded Geth.
  • Crowd control - Use of AoE crowd control powers so you can kill the mobs before you get overrun.
  • Teamwork - I'd say almost all failed FBWGG games are directly caused by the lack of teamwork/synergy...  trying to be a hero just makes you a drag on everyone else.  Vanguards seem to be the ones most often at fault here.
The only thing FBWGG lacks a bit is in movement dynamics ie. like when you have a 4-person team running around the map, but those sort of games are often somewhat chaotic.  It also takes more really good players in the team to run that way.  Those hack and disable objectives do teach you how to take a new position though, without doing what all the Bronze/Silver teams seem to do, ie. run at full speed to point X to get killed.

So instead of hating on FBWGG, you all should learn to appreciate it for what it is...  training wheels for Gold, that can impart valuable knowledge to those willing to learn from it.  Yeah it gets to be seriously boring after a while (though I do find the occasional game still when there's a good group, there's something new I learn/notice)...  but it keeps the unprepared away from your R/R/G games.

If you can't find a game you want to play, please HOST...  if no one bothers and everyone's too impatient, you'll just get the wrong game or the wrong group of people playing the game.  All dead by Wave 3.  Hating on FBWGG just shows your ignorance of the concept of co-op MP because its so not a me, me, ME type game.

And maybe some creative folks here can put up another map/enemy strategy, so there'd be more than 1 way to farm.  I'm sure there's other lessons I'm forgetting to list even, but FBWGG is a good tutorial in various aspects of gameplay.  I'm not ashamed to say I did FBWGG...  and actually learned some rather useful strategy and gameplay in the process too. :innocent:

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It learns you 1 thing :

Do nothing but sit in cover and get a free 75k credits.

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Wesus wrote...

It learns you 1 thing :

Do nothing but sit in cover and get a free 75k credits.


THIS.

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Wesus wrote...

It learns you 1 thing :

Do nothing but sit in cover and get a free 75k credits.


Be a leecher you mean?  There's no other way to do nothing and get credits in this game.  FBWGG farmers work for their keep just as much as you do for your 75k credits.  And that simple fact burns you, doesn't it? :devil:

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I think I'll play farming matches tonight just because the weekend public games are so bad.

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If pressing b / o / button on computer 5 times per round is the Same as playing reapers on condor where you are running around 24/7 due to Banshees etc.

Well than your Logic is pretty much a joke.

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In a "good" FBWGG farm game, maybe your points ring true. Most of what I see? People run straight to the extract zone, if anybody has to leave the room for any reason they die very quickly, and the Infiltrators sit and camp in the room. If we have biotics they don't combo. Nobody will ever use a missile or revive someone 2 ft in front of them.

Says something when you have to carry FBWGG.

Modifié par Edalborez, 26 mai 2012 - 07:39 .


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neteng101 wrote...

FBWGG farmers work for their keep just as much as you do for your 75k credits.  And that simple fact burns you, doesn't it? :devil:


Not even close.

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Edalborez

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I will admit that it's a decent choice for a first dip into Gold... but playing only FBWGG doesn't teach anything else for other maps and enemies.

Modifié par Edalborez, 26 mai 2012 - 07:42 .


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Abael wrote...

neteng101 wrote...

FBWGG farmers work for their keep just as much as you do for your 75k credits.  And that simple fact burns you, doesn't it? :devil:


Not even close.


You're right.

Most elitists have gotten their strategies and combos so down pat that they actually have it easier lol.

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Edalborez wrote...

I will admit that it's a decent choice for a first dip into Gold... but playing only FBWGG doesn't teach anything else for other maps and enemies.

Honestly It didn't even teach you how to play againts Geth faction or on the FBW itself against Cerberus/Reapers. Well, it kinda works with Cerberus, but the Reapers will tear apart any hardcore farmers on this map with this strategy. 

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I enjoy my farming runs. Problem?

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Some people can't respect other's choices. So what if FBWGG is easy? If you don't like a quick easy 75k, just do another type of game, simple as that.

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The worst bit about FBWGG is when I stumble into one of those and then people still mess it up.

I tend to be the infiltrator sitting at the outside; there are 3 people in the room; and they can grab things; and have most of their prey funneled to them; and they they still die, preferably when I'm off to do objectives, or, what's worse, when they follow me to do objectives.

That's the one moment you're supposed to camp, and you still mess it up.

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Wesus wrote...

It learns you 1 thing :

Do nothing but sit in cover and get a free 75k credits.


I mean, I have played my fair share of FBWGG and that has NEVER been the case for any of the games I have been in.

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Barneyk wrote...

Wesus wrote...

It learns you 1 thing :

Do nothing but sit in cover and get a free 75k credits.


I mean, I have played my fair share of FBWGG and that has NEVER been the case for any of the games I have been in.



That's because it isn't. However a lot of people DO think like that.

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Actually I agree, FBWGG can teach you some very valuable things. I mean, if it were as easy as it's painted by the people that loathe it, it would be an infalible way to complete gold. It's not. In fact, the number of people that just don't get it can be astounding, and thus, it doesn't always work out.

So yeah, the only problem with Firebase White/Geth/Gold is when that's the only kind of Gold you play. You have to move on and learn tactics on other maps, and different enemies.

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Hakumen wrote...
Honestly It didn't even teach you how to play againts Geth faction or on the FBW itself against Cerberus/Reapers. Well, it kinda works with Cerberus, but the Reapers will tear apart any hardcore farmers on this map with this strategy. 


I personally think it's even easier to farm against Cerberus on White than it is against geth, those phantoms coming down the ladder are easy prey, even without stasis.

But try to explain that to farmers afraid of the da 1nst4d34th

Now, against cerberus, you're lost sitting and waiting.

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Nissun wrote...

Actually I agree, FBWGG can teach you some very valuable things. I mean, if it were as easy as it's painted by the people that loathe it, it would be an infalible way to complete gold. It's not. In fact, the number of people that just don't get it can be astounding, and thus, it doesn't always work out.

So yeah, the only problem with Firebase White/Geth/Gold is when that's the only kind of Gold you play. You have to move on and learn tactics on other maps, and different enemies.


And even if that is the only thing someone does, how is it a problem?

It doesnt effect me. :)

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Edalborez wrote...

I will admit that it's a decent choice for a first dip into Gold... but playing only FBWGG doesn't teach anything else for other maps and enemies.


Basic concepts can be used elsewhere, but of course each map/enemy has strategy involved.  I've heard others suggest something like Dagger/Cerberus/Gold is actually easier to farm even, but not really seen much for detailed writeups on other map/enegy strategies.  Perhaps people just don't want to give away their gold secrets?

I have a rough idea how to handle Giant/Cerberus, and with a team that knows how to handle Phantoms, I suspect Cerberus is probably the easiest of the 3 to play against.  The Atlas is **** slow as heck...  Geth Hunters and Rocket Troopers can kill the unprepared far easier if you're not careful.  Reapers can be the royal pain.

The one thing I'll say repeating FBWGG with good and bad teams is you learn and start noticing things much more than if you were doing R/R/S since every one of those games are on different maps and people are doing different things each time.

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It's funny how many people get so angry and emotional over FBWGG.

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I must say, it actually depends on situation and the result you want to get. For example, if I need creds and creds only (keeping money for DLC or something like that), then FBWGG is more viable option with randoms. If I have friends on-line who can play with me at the moment, than it's a U/U/G. But if I need creds in a short time and I don't have 10 hours per day to fail Gold matches with random people, then it's a FBWGG. And yeah, badass-elitists can say that they don't care and they can solo waves blah-blah-blah. But as I said, the match in that case will be going for 30+ minutes which is not the way to go when you need "fast money". So, in any case, having that option is a good thing. You don't need farming - don't do it and don't brag about it. You need money and only money - there's an easy option for that. 

Modifié par Hakumen, 26 mai 2012 - 08:13 .


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The funny thing is, farming on Glacier is actually easier. People just discovered FBWGG first and that's what they stuck with.

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FBWGG is 70% AI breaker. I don't play a game to learn how to stop it from entertaining me.

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I learned 1 thing and 1 thing only from FBW/G/G and that is, This is freakin boring!