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[LoboFH]

920103db wrote...

If by perfection you mean you want Bioware to change the game to your preference so you can do what you want when you want with minimal hassles?

Ok, listen boy, I am not going to fall in the trap of your evident absurd arguments, minimal hassle is what you want, keeping some evident design fails to defend your boring grinding farm.

If you can't win a real gold match if they tweak your "hit X button behind a magic barrier" exploit improve yourself.

Modifié par LoboFH, 27 mai 2012 - 02:43 .

[Major Durza]

I used it as training wheels, yes. I am now a rather good gold player, and I started gold with the cheap way out. I do not use it anymore, no reason to hate it. I learned a bit about what classes, powers, and weapons to use on Gold. It is here that I found the Turian Sentinel's awesomeness.

[neteng101]

Soggy-Snake- wrote...

Have you seen the amount of complaint topics on this board? There are so many saying "I got kicked" "Damn elitists" and many people (especially around the challenges) who claim they are never trying Gold again etc. So yes people who potentially could be reliable Gold team mates are instead turned off Gold completely.

Yeah - but the elitists people are complaining about are the ones who hate FBWGG and think no one else is good enough for gold but themselves.  The elitists are the ones already done with their farming, typically have everything unlocked up to Rares, talk down on everyone else...  you're right, it does turn people off to trying/playing Gold games.

The FBWGG farmers aren't the ones at fault - its all these folks who think everyone else is not good enough besides themselves around here that does that.

My point is that it does affect other Gold games indirectly by limiting the amount of people who could be playing Gold with us. Keeping the riff raff out is the complete wrong idea. We need those people who are inexperienced to actually learn and get better so that they can be useful team mates and have fun on Gold.

This may not be a bad thing, if the general pool of Gold players are like you and don't mind carrying.  But read these forums, and you get the feeling like almost all the non-farm Gold players are totally full of themselves and want nothing to do with anyone in the least bit inexperienced joining their games.  I'm sure that's not all of the Gold players, but there's certainly plenty of these gold elitists roaming the forums that behave like that here all day long.

How do you think good Gold players got good? By playing Gold. I started off by playing 1 or 2 farming maps (I don't think it was recognised as farming then) and then I just played other maps and enemies. Whatever game I jumped into.

Its a process indeed.  But everyday I see the players who started earlier, then got good, are so full of themselves around the forums.

All I'm saying is FBWGG is a stepping stone, and like everything else, there's things that can be learned.  Trying to totally claim its mindless as some here are saying is just spitting on the pool of people that might potentially move up to playing Gold games.

So if you really want more people to play with, you have to willing to teach/educate, and not spite on other players.

[Rodia Driftwood]

It doesn't teach you squat. The only time you will move from the same spot will be during waves when your noob-ass team screws up and everybody starts dying, forcing you to cover somewhere else.

[kevchy]

One thing I learned about FBWGG: It always creates drama and tears in BSN.

[UkGouki]

condor reapers i find far easier than what some of you paint it out 2x aj 1x aa 1xhs or Gi at the spawn point offensive aj bubble near the ammo box, defensive aj bubble with warp over the players reapers come funneled down and boom boom biotic explosions galore 18 minutes later your done....

[LoboFH]

920103db wrote...

When you have to fall back on personal attacks, you've lost the argument. But thank you for playing.

Personal attacks?, your stance must be really weak if this is the last boutade in a long chain of shallow "arguments".

Truth is hard but I am only seeing here a person in a rabid defence of a grinding tactic and the exploits that allow it.

[Nereithr]

920103db wrote...

LoboFH wrote...

920103db wrote...

When you have to fall back on personal attacks, you've lost the argument. But thank you for playing.

Personal attacks?, your stance must be really weak if this is the last boutade in a long chain of shallow "arguments".

Truth is hard but I am only seeing here a person in a rabid defence of a grinding tactic and the exploits that allow it.

It's not an exploit, Bioware said so themself. And claiming that I can't win a gold match if Bioware decide to, as you so lovely put it "tweaking my X button" is a personal attack. And my reason for defending it is because I'm tired of people shoving down thier hate in our throats and demanding a change when they have no facts that back up thier claims regarding FBWGG.

And to be honest I don't think any of you actually believe it has any negetive effects on the multiplayer, I think your reasons for crying about FBWGG is pretty well sumed up by IAMREALITY

"I'll give you the answer that probably has never been said but that is probably accurate in the majority of cases.

 They hate it because it makes them feel less special.

 Fact is, most of the elite snobs have learned exactly which classes, powers, tactics etc to apply to whatever given gold  game to the point that they actually complete the random game just as quickly if not more so than FBWGG  and it's every bit  as easy. I mean yeah, takes such skill to spam biotics and let things walk into bubbles LOL.

 The point is, these hypocrites find ways, and then share them all with each other, to make  gold runs as quick and easy as  possible. They farm in their own way every bit as much and once they know the right strategy, characters  and builds, have  gold games every bit as easy.

 So know why they hate FBWGG? BECAUSE IT'S A STRATEGY THAT CAN BE TAUGHT TO NEWER PLAYERS.

 That's why. Because even a noobie can be taught almost immediately what the strategy is for beating FBWGG. You don't  have to read message boards and learn all these complex things in order to beat it. They don't hate it  because it's easy,  since their games are just as easy, they just hate it because you don't have to be elite to learn it. You don't have to be part  of some super secret club that knows all the tricks in order to learn it. They hate it  because it enables newer players to make  money just as quickly as they do, and they hate that. They have this  undying need to feel special, to feel superior. They  hate FBWGG because it means that just any regular joe can incorporate the SAME tactics they do, but without the steeper  learning cuve." 

This.Ten times this

[LoboFH]

920103db wrote...

 They hate it because it makes them feel less special.

etc

Oh yes, sing me another song, another shallow argument, be sincere, you defend this exploit so ardently because it's easy credits with no effort.

We hate it because it's our right to want the game becomes perfect, and it's not perfect when players abuse evident I.A. navigation issues and some design flaws to perform a so effortless tactic. No other map or tactic brings so much debate, that's a sign.
 
BioWare wants it, haha, amazing. I leave this silly debate, it's a fact of multiplayer games, a loved exploit is going to be defended by some people till sun goes nova.

Modifié par LoboFH, 27 mai 2012 - 04:40 .

[LoboFH]

"learn to mind your own business"
"Do something challenging then"
"Oh, don't hurt my feelings with personal attacks"
"BioWare wants it" (link?)
"They hate it because it makes them feel less special"

Yes, really Deep arguments, c'mon man.

Enough with empty rhetorical tricks, I'm done, I hope BioWare fixes this issues with the first client side patch, you hope they leave it untouched, fine, may the best win.

Modifié par LoboFH, 27 mai 2012 - 05:08 .

[greghorvath]

Now that the ending whine has mostly died down, people need something else to whine about and FBWGG is a suitable target. Simple as that. it will die down and the haters gonna hate something else.

I read lobo's above comments: If I did not find them pitiful, I would probably smile. Exploit? Just like the elevated positions on Condor, Giant, Reactor and Dagger? The lower level room on Glacier?

Exploit like stasis or biotic combos? Come on, man. Think!  It will not actually hurt you.

Lobo's comments demonstrate how arbitrary and self-righteous is the choice  to cry about it FBWGG.

Everyone not liking FBWGG: PLAY SOMETHING ELSE!!!

Modifié par greghorvath, 27 mai 2012 - 06:12 .

[DHKany]

I'll keep on farming gold until I get all my golds maxed out. Not bothered to carry silver matches that end in a wave 9 wipe anyways.

[Scolai]

I have said this before in other threads, but I will say it here: to play gold and not be yelled at for being a noob you need one thing: gear. Not skill, not tactics, gear. The others help, but the primary way the people in this thread and others who complain about FBWGG do well in gold is because they have a rare or ultra rare at X with full mods and 5 of each mission equipment. If you're new to the game or not able to spend as much time online as them, you are inferior.

In essence, farming FBWGG happens because of the jerks who play gold and treat others like crap, just as many have done in this thread. You have to farm to get the credits to get the gear so then you can play. Because honestly, using a Javelin X to one shot enemies is not "elite" or "hard".

The random gold gamers basically don't want other people getting the stuff they have, which they "earned" the same way, just at a different pace, and desperately want to be recognized as being better than others in a cooperative game. You know what? Two years, two months, two days or even two minutes from now no one is going to care that you came in first in a gold game. They will only care if they beat the game or not, and if they had fun. If playing FBWGG is how they get the gear so they can play with you "uber" players, well shouldn't you be ENCOURAGING that? But no, that means more competition, doesn't it?

You want to fix FBWGG? Get EA or Bioware to have weapons and character unlocks happen from accomplishing goals and not from credits. Oh wait, then half the "uber" gold players wouldn't have any good gear (and EA couldn't milk people for microtransactions, but that's neither here nor there).

[OhPa2]

Didn't see this until now.  Great post OP.  I agree.

It's just a game.  Play it your way - with respect for your teammates - and have fun.

Modifié par OhPa2, 27 mai 2012 - 06:41 .

[Meistr_Chef]

Agreed in spirit. There are useful gameplay related strategies to learn if you look for it.

Playing FBWGG can be almost like a controlled series of experiments where things happen in a consistent fashion and you can spot where things go right or wrong. And compare effectiveness of certain actions/loadouts because of that.

The same people who say nothing can be learned from FBWGG are likely the same type people who, for example, say going to college/university was a waste of time and they didn't learn anything from it. My reply is usually, "sure it's because you didn't look to learn anything from it." Indeed some colleges may suck at educating people and only spoonfeed you information that you find non-applicable to "real-life", but if you take the effort to make the connections yourself it'll surprise you.

So in summary, I think:

- People who don't learn from FBWGG are likely not to learn much playing other maps as well.
- People who can and do learn from FBWGG are likely to learn to play other maps well.

Modifié par Meistr_Chef, 27 mai 2012 - 07:14 .

[waltervolpatto]

920103db wrote...

LoboFH wrote...

920103db wrote...

When you have to fall back on personal attacks, you've lost the argument. But thank you for playing.

Personal attacks?, your stance must be really weak if this is the last boutade in a long chain of shallow "arguments".

Truth is hard but I am only seeing here a person in a rabid defence of a grinding tactic and the exploits that allow it.

It's not an exploit, Bioware said so themself. And claiming that I can't win a gold match if Bioware decide to, as you so lovely put it "tweaking my X button" is a personal attack. And my reason for defending it is because I'm tired of people shoving down thier hate in our throats and demanding a change when they have no facts that back up thier claims regarding FBWGG.

And to be honest I don't think any of you actually believe it has any negetive effects on the multiplayer, I think your reasons for crying about FBWGG is pretty well sumed up by IAMREALITY

"I'll give you the answer that probably has never been said but that is probably accurate in the majority of cases.

 They hate it because it makes them feel less special.

 Fact is, most of the elite snobs have learned exactly which classes, powers, tactics etc to apply to whatever given gold  game to the point that they actually complete the random game just as quickly if not more so than FBWGG  and it's every bit  as easy. I mean yeah, takes such skill to spam biotics and let things walk into bubbles LOL.

 The point is, these hypocrites find ways, and then share them all with each other, to make  gold runs as quick and easy as  possible. They farm in their own way every bit as much and once they know the right strategy, characters  and builds, have  gold games every bit as easy.

 So know why they hate FBWGG? BECAUSE IT'S A STRATEGY THAT CAN BE TAUGHT TO NEWER PLAYERS.

 That's why. Because even a noobie can be taught almost immediately what the strategy is for beating FBWGG. You don't  have to read message boards and learn all these complex things in order to beat it. They don't hate it  because it's easy,  since their games are just as easy, they just hate it because you don't have to be elite to learn it. You don't have to be part  of some super secret club that knows all the tricks in order to learn it. They hate it  because it enables newer players to make  money just as quickly as they do, and they hate that. They have this  undying need to feel special, to feel superior. They  hate FBWGG because it means that just any regular joe can incorporate the SAME tactics they do, but without the steeper  learning cuve." 

+1 Love it..

Althoug.. I did join Gold only a few week backs, asking only for UUG and if there is FBWGG I will do it.

At least it teach to have a couple of Primes in your face and not be afraid of it... (Yes, more than ones I did run out as last standing-guerrilla tactics, 5 primes chasing me, no medgel/rockets left and actually clear the wave....)

[OniGanon]

FBWGG teaches you nothing that wouldn't be better learned in RRS.

[RomanowRomanow]

well, all gold games I tried were longer then geth farmin', as well as most silver games

[LoboFH]

greghorvath wrote...

Now that the ending whine has mostly died down, people need something else to whine about and FBWGG is a suitable target. Simple as that. it will die down and the haters gonna hate something else.

I read lobo's above comments: If I did not find them pitiful, I would probably smile. Exploit? Just like the elevated positions on Condor, Giant, Reactor and Dagger? The lower level room on Glacier?

Exploit like stasis or biotic combos? Come on, man. Think!  It will not actually hurt you.

Lobo's comments demonstrate how arbitrary and self-righteous is the choice  to cry about it FBWGG.

Everyone not liking FBWGG: PLAY SOMETHING ELSE!!!

The only pitiful thing here is how you defend your cheap grinding tricks.

Do you really understand the meaning of "exploit"?, a good strategic position is not an exploit, a biotic or technic power of a class is not an exploit, the power combos are not an exploit.

To take advantage of I.A. navigation issues, bad design of flanking in some geth units, the overpowered SE decoy and a exact spot where players can fool the usual mechanics of the game and spam some powers with slim chances of retaliation...that's an exploit!

I am reading laughable afirmations here. Now the random store is the reason...and we are the whiners, the comedy. I didn't farm and got all the common, uncommon and rare weapons level X, and working my way with the ultra-rare ones, just play the damn game. Obviously I wish you all get your shiny weapons, Mr.Scolai, more force for a cooperative game.

For "n" time, I play something else but FBWGG farming is affecting the experience of gold players, want it or not.

Modifié par LoboFH, 27 mai 2012 - 08:59 .