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#126
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LoboFH wrote...

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Now that the ending whine has mostly died down, people need something else to whine about and FBWGG is a suitable target. Simple as that. it will die down and the haters gonna hate something else.

I read lobo's above comments: If I did not find them pitiful, I would probably smile. Exploit? Just like the elevated positions on Condor, Giant, Reactor and Dagger? The lower level room on Glacier?

Exploit like stasis or biotic combos? Come on, man. Think!  It will not actually hurt you.

Lobo's comments demonstrate how arbitrary and self-righteous is the choice  to cry about it FBWGG.

Everyone not liking FBWGG: PLAY SOMETHING ELSE!!!

The only pitiful thing here is how you defend your cheap grinding tricks.

Do you really understand the meaning of "exploit"?, a good strategic position is not an exploit, a biotic or technic power of a class is not an exploit, the power combos are not an exploit.

To take advantage of I.A. navigation issues, bad design of flanking in some geth units, the overpowered SE decoy and a exact spot where players can fool the usual mechanics of the game and spam some powers with slim chances of retaliation...that's an exploit!

I am reading laughable afirmations here. Now the random store is the reason...and we are the whiners, the comedy. I didn't farm and got all the common, uncommon and rare weapons level X, and working my way with the ultra-rare ones, just play the damn game. Obviously I wish you all get your shiny weapons, Mr.Scolai, more force for a cooperative game.

For "n" time, I play something else but FBWGG farming is affecting the experience of gold players, want it or not.

There is always an easy way to do things and there is hard way to do those. Bioware could introduce us the platinum difficulty jost for people like you. One shot and your shields drop and second that you die. I don't know how fun that kind of game would be but there would be challange for you.

Decoy... um isn't its job to lets say distract things from firing you or your friends? Using your tecs in a way they are intended to work? Lets freaking take out cover because it is exploiting! Turians and Krogans can only be fully cowered in small ammount of cowers so lets get rid of them all!

So being able to defend something with relative ease is an exploit? Plus exploit means that you get an upper hand over your co-players. This same AI does stypid routes in all other maps too. And why the hell you get upset when somebody in example me finds that the game is still relatively fun even when the enemy doesn't magnetic grab you from other side of the map.

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LoboFH wrote...

greghorvath wrote...

Now that the ending whine has mostly died down, people need something else to whine about and FBWGG is a suitable target. Simple as that. it will die down and the haters gonna hate something else.

I read lobo's above comments: If I did not find them pitiful, I would probably smile. Exploit? Just like the elevated positions on Condor, Giant, Reactor and Dagger? The lower level room on Glacier?

Exploit like stasis or biotic combos? Come on, man. Think!  It will not actually hurt you.

Lobo's comments demonstrate how arbitrary and self-righteous is the choice  to cry about it FBWGG.

Everyone not liking FBWGG: PLAY SOMETHING ELSE!!!

The only pitiful thing here is how you defend your cheap grinding tricks.

Do you really understand the meaning of "exploit"?, a good strategic position is not an exploit, a biotic or technic power of a class is not an exploit, the power combos are not an exploit.

To take advantage of I.A. navigation issues, bad design of flanking in some geth units, the overpowered SE decoy and a exact spot where players can fool the usual mechanics of the game and spam some powers with slim chances of retaliation...that's an exploit!

I am reading laughable afirmations here. Now the random store is the reason...and we are the whiners, the comedy. I didn't farm and got all the common, uncommon and rare weapons level X, and working my way with the ultra-rare ones, just play the damn game. Obviously I wish you all get your shiny weapons, Mr.Scolai, more force for a cooperative game.

For "n" time, I play something else but FBWGG farming is affecting the experience of gold players, want it or not.


Burden of proof is on you people to prove that it has a negative effect. No such evidence have ever been brought forward.
And I'll repeat myself for the last time, FBWGG farming is not considered an exploit

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I would appreciate if a mod could confirm this (again) and proceed to close this thread, because this is getting out of hand.

Modifié par 920103db, 27 mai 2012 - 09:42 .


#128
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I completely disagree with the whole 'hating people because they have the same gear as you' thing. I have played a tonne of Gold and only have 3 Ultra Rares. I don't care because I don't care about weapons or unlocks. I play for fun.

Too many people here farm to max out weapons. So what? You can farm more efficiently? At some point you are going to either stop playing or actually play for fun with the lvl X Ultra Rares you have. Maxing for the sake of maxing is one of the silliest concepts I have ever heard of.

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What a bunch of haters in here.

I tend to be the infiltrator that sits outside making sure nothing goes "SURPRIZE B!TCHES!!!" through the back door. Yes, I tend to do fairly well, but I also play my games where I'm the engineer, adept, etc. sitting in the room. I have no problem with random gold matches, but in my experience, all the good players are farming on FBWGG so that's where I go.

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Wesus wrote...

It learns you 1 thing :

Do nothing but sit in cover and get a free 75k credits.


http://www.wepapers....elf-Assessments

bad players who don't realize they are bad because of they lack the ability to self analyze.

they don't learn anything, because they don't realize that they still need to learn more.

FBW:G lies to them by telling them they are ready for gold, when they in fact are not, and they don't even possess the ability to figure that simple fact out, let alone learn what they need to in order to actually be ready for gold.

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I played the role to support my squad in FBWGG, used decoys most of the time, I don't mind I get low scores, as long as we make it to the full extraction and get that 75k :lol:

Well you may call me noob, but no, I just like to support my squadmates :D

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ive noticed today FBWGG has been a **** to play cause of them damn bansheeeeeees

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twisty77 wrote...
but in my experience, all the good players are farming on FBWGG so that's where I go.


Trolling needs to be subtle dude.

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LoboFH wrote...

The only pitiful thing here is how you defend your cheap grinding tricks.

Do you really understand the meaning of "exploit"?, a good strategic position is not an exploit, a biotic or technic power of a class is not an exploit, the power combos are not an exploit.

To take advantage of I.A. navigation issues, bad design of flanking in some geth units, the overpowered SE decoy and a exact spot where players can fool the usual mechanics of the game and spam some powers with slim chances of retaliation...that's an exploit!


I am reading laughable afirmations here. Now the random store is the reason...and we are the whiners, the comedy. I didn't farm and got all the common, uncommon and rare weapons level X, and working my way with the ultra-rare ones, just play the damn game. Obviously I wish you all get your shiny weapons, Mr.Scolai, more force for a cooperative game.

For "n" time, I play something else but FBWGG farming is affecting the experience of gold players, want it or not.



Lobo, all I ask is that you take a moment of silent consideration. What you wrote confirms again that it is you that have comprehension issues. With the italicised part you said the same thing as I did, you just do not realize it. Taking advantage of  (i.e. exploiting) your enemy's weeks points is good strategy. Just think about it.

Note: Now, FBW against reapers has exploit sides to it, as, owing to some glitch, the banshees do not seem to be able to teleport over the counters (although they can walk past)...

The bolded part shows how arbitrary your argument is, as you choose something you don't like and oppose it against something you think is worthy of you affections. Try to use the same framework for both. It also demonstrates that you have very little idea of FBWGG (probably because you have not played it), as the IA does actually make flanking possible (e.g. when all people are hiding behind counters), many of the games lately do not have a SE. In the last part of the argument we find a great definition for: Strategic position.

Your last but one paragraph does not make sense to me, but you are right, the store system does suck. It would need to change and this is why I am shamelessly promoting the MP store system poll.

Modifié par greghorvath, 28 mai 2012 - 03:39 .


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well i farm fbwgg and have only been in gold matches for a couple of weeks

i have played and extracted on other maps with all enemy's on gold, i die alot and get revived alot but thats because i have a habbit of trying to get into the battle and not clock what is behind my initial target, i dont like doing r/r/g as i dont feel i have the skills to help out the team, yes i am learning how to use the biotic's, and in the main game never actually played a adept.

i have completed fbw/g/g in under 20 mins and also finished with 3 lvl 1 players more than once

when playing randoms on gold i find it hard because their is next to no comunitcation from the pc lot, i play the game to have fun and fbw/g/g can get boring after a while, but the credits just make it a better 20 min quickie than a silver match.

most of my games are mate games now and we all have a joke and laugh with it

currently learning to play the human vangaurd on gold but i do it on my own, not for credit but to actually make use of the biotics and learn how to not get my self in trouble when confronted with a prime with out the use of explosions or rockets

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^if you want to hone your skills on FBW,try camping the highground above the ladders.less cover and you can get flanked on two sides.certainly more exciting and educational than sitting behind the counters.or try to roam the map as a team.

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You have to play at the top when you are farming anyway during the hacking missions half the time. You have to play in several locations to be exact. The fact is playing on White does help you to learn to play on gold. People don't like the fact that it's hard to find games on other settings, and I get that. I had to ask for help on here to get the unwavering trophy for that same reason.

However, people who claim only bad players farm are wrong, and also people who say it takes no skills to do it are wrong. Trust me I've seen tons of people screw up farming matches. If I could make youtube videos of how bad some of the matches I've had the misfortune of being in...

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It teaches you how to handle a specific enemy under a specific situation. That's all.

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Does it matter? So what if some people think that FBWGG makes them good players, let them think that. I don't know why people get so mad about that mad and enemy. Host your own games, you don't have to play it if you don't like it.

You want some fun play R/R/G, you want some easy credits' you know where to go.

Oh and to the genius who started this whole rant, "really?" "Your earning your keep?" When I go to work I earn my keep, when I play a video game I am relaxing.

Writng some goofball thread about FBWGG just cause you want some attention, this thread is done three times a week, running your mouth about you having a right to your opinion then telling everyone they are wrong about FBWGG. Well we all have a right to are opinion as well. No it's not cheating, it's just easy. Yes it's easy, that's why people farm it. Get it? Sitting on your high horse acting like you invented the strategy for it too.

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I also don't care if people want to play that set-up. To me, it just has become boring. It's not only easyer to complete than some silver waves 9-10 against reapers on some maps, it's fracking repetitive as hell. repetitive as hell. repetitive as hell. repetitive as hell. repetitive as hell. repetitive as hell. repetitive as hell. repetitive as hell...
So i don't care that others play, it, why, some people spent the better part of their lives on some repetitive mmorpg's, that's their lives.
But when I try to host, and people see my lobby set to "U/U/G"; more than half of the time they leave, to go and seek their easy farm.
In the end, FBWGG wastes my time even when I don't play it.

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Creighton72 wrote...



Writng some goofball thread about FBWGG just cause you want some attention, this thread is done three times a week, running your mouth about you having a right to your opinion then telling everyone they are wrong about FBWGG. Well we all have a right to are opinion as well. No it's not cheating, it's just easy. Yes it's easy, that's why people farm it. Get it? Sitting on your high horse acting like you invented the strategy for it too.


Douche

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BXpress2 wrote...

^if you want to hone your skills on FBW,try camping the highground above the ladders.less cover and you can get flanked on two sides.certainly more exciting and educational than sitting behind the counters.or try to roam the map as a team.


thats what we do on the last wave when farming go and sit above the ladder

we do roam occationally but if we loose the infiltrator then things tend to go to pot lol

we struggle on hydra when the upload is on the right next to the ramp we find we get overwhelmed quite quickly this seems to be the only struggle we have on that map

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It teaches grab abuse but that's about it.

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greghorvath wrote...

Now that the ending whine has mostly died down, people need something else to whine about and FBWGG is a suitable target. Simple as that. it will die down and the haters gonna hate something else.

I read lobo's above comments: If I did not find them pitiful, I would probably smile. Exploit? Just like the elevated positions on Condor, Giant, Reactor and Dagger? The lower level room on Glacier?

Exploit like stasis or biotic combos? Come on, man. Think!  It will not actually hurt you.

Lobo's comments demonstrate how arbitrary and self-righteous is the choice  to cry about it FBWGG.

Everyone not liking FBWGG: PLAY SOMETHING ELSE!!!

How is that comparable? No one's whined about it being Bioware's fault, people lament the fact that it's so bloody difficult to find a non firebasewhite geth random gold and of players being boring. Firebase white isn't bad in and of itself, in fact with reapers it's one of the most fun for me. The only thing Bioware is guilty of is a simplistic cover system. (and that HORRID skybox)

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i think people complaining about this map on gold are either
a) bored of it because they visited it thousands of time already and are now complaining because they dont find enough people offering games they wanna play now after being tired and bored by it by neglecting someone else the same luxury to play it so they diss them.

B) They are still doing it and dont want others to use it for themselves and as its "uncool" to farm it they act as if they didnt. This goes into the same direction as people claiming to do solo runs on certain maps without proof.

Just my 2 cent.
On another note, what really would help would be the option to change the search parameters where you dont say what you want but what you dont want to get for example instead of saying geth the option to say anything except geth as an enemy. Or at least to pick more than one (would solve it as well).

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fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

How is that comparable? No one's whined about it being Bioware's fault, people lament the fact that it's so bloody difficult to find a non firebasewhite geth random gold and of players being boring. Firebase white isn't bad in and of itself, in fact with reapers it's one of the most fun for me. The only thing Bioware is guilty of is a simplistic cover system. (and that HORRID skybox)

What are you asking about? The ending whine - FBWGG comparison, or the strategy vs another strategy thing?

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People could always play FBGGG and not camp in the bottom room for an extra challenge. Crazy concept, I know.

I'm currently using it as a form of training wheels for Gold. You really do learn how to grab, and not play follow the infiltrator, and use effective decoys on that map. You also get a good idea as to how many of the big baddies will spawn in each wave, and which weapons will do the most damage for your playstyle.

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FBWGG haters need to realize one thing. "Fixing" FBWGG will make things even worse for you. Now you just have to wait a bit longer to find a gold match which isn't White-Geth. You say that farming on White does not require skill, that people who play White are noobs and leeches and they don't belong in a Gold lobby. You know what is going to happen with them once they cannot play FBWGG? They will end up in your r/r/gold game. Then you will whine that there's too many noobs playing gold.

Also I agree with the author of the thread. If you want to start playing GOLD start with FBWGG. It's easy, you camp a lot but still have to do objectives, you can test your loadout on gold and get prepared for a proper gold match.

In my opinion if you have a rare or ultra rare weapon at level X it is pretty easy to play gold with even a random team. Before you have decent weapons at X, FBWGG is an easy way to get creds and even have fun if you decide to change the tactics for a while an make it more difficult or less easy as some say.

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NubXL wrote...

It's funny how many people get so angry and emotional over FBWGG.


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