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[Jamie9]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Many people's definition of a "proper discussion" is BioWare bashing. It's old. If Morinth was on the same mission playing the same exact role Samara played, you guys would complain. That's why I used the Rachni example.

It only seems like BioWare bashing because there's no discussion in talking about the things we liked. For instance, Tuchanka. I liked it a lot. Pretty much was perfect. There's not really anything to discuss there.

Morinth playing the exact same role would just be the same as Padok Wiks and all the other placeholder characters. BioWare did it many times in ME3 (to varying degrees of success).

Remember, we don't like complaining. Well, maybe some of us do. But I don't like complaining.

[Bad King]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Bad King wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Aaaaand now it's another BioWare is lazy and/or cheap argument. Not doing it.

Your choice, but don't come on this thread complaining about my ideas if you aren't willing to have a proper discussion.

Many people's definition of a "proper discussion" is BioWare bashing. It's old. If Morinth was on the same mission playing the same exact role Samara played, you guys would complain. That's why I used the Rachni example.

It's old because it's often true- its not bashing. Why else would BioWare refuse to hire Morinth's VA?

Also as I listed earlier in the thread, the rachni comparison isn't suitable: a better comparison would be Urdnot Wrex's death and his replacement by Urdnot Wreav which I thought was a very satisfying outcome.

Modifié par Bad King, 27 mai 2012 - 02:18 .

[Joe Del Toro]

We're British. Of course we like complaining.

[Bad King]

And it's now twenty past three in the morning...

[Jamie9]

Bad King wrote...

And it's now twenty past three in the morning...

Yes. Yes, it is. You see, BioWare has me! In their grasp! Give me my ending damn it!

[silentassassin264]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Bad King wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Aaaaand now it's another BioWare is lazy and/or cheap argument. Not doing it.

Your choice, but don't come on this thread complaining about my ideas if you aren't willing to have a proper discussion.

Many people's definition of a "proper discussion" is BioWare bashing. It's old. If Morinth was on the same mission playing the same exact role Samara played, you guys would complain. That's why I used the Rachni example.

No I wouldn't   The Rachni mission was stupid because the whole point of the renegade decision was that the galaxy was safer without the rachni so you killed a potential ally to prevent the rachni being a threat ever again...and then they become a threat again regardless except the paragons can get EMS out of it.  

Choosing Morinth over Samara or vice versa is not really about the safety of the galaxy.  As the post I quoted earlier in the thread pointed out, both of them are insane serial killers so there really is no net gain or loss in galactic stability especially since it is not like either can raise an army and threaten the entire galaxy.  Having one replace the other in that monastery mission would not have been pissing all over your choice like the rachni mission was.

[Catamantaloedis]

I think choosing to save Morinth is an easter egg.

[Joe Del Toro]

Jamie9 wrote...

Bad King wrote...

And it's now twenty past three in the morning...

Yes. Yes, it is. You see, BioWare has me! In their grasp! Give me my ending damn it!

F*CKING MORINTH

[Bad King]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Bad King wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Bad King wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Aaaaand now it's another BioWare is lazy and/or cheap argument. Not doing it.

Your choice, but don't come on this thread complaining about my ideas if you aren't willing to have a proper discussion.

Many people's definition of a "proper discussion" is BioWare bashing. It's old. If Morinth was on the same mission playing the same exact role Samara played, you guys would complain. That's why I used the Rachni example.

It's old because it's often true. Why else would BioWare refuse to hire Morinth's VA?

Also as I listed earlier in the thread, the rachni comparison isn't suitable: a better comparison would be Urdnot Wrex's death and his replacement by Urdnot Wreav which I thought was a very satisfying outcome.

I could go on and on all day about why the "BioWare is lazy" BS is untrue, but no one listens to me, so I'm not going to waste my energy.

Also, maybe it had something to do with the fact that she was the least popular chracater in Mass Effect. Ever.

The comparison is suitable. You either get normal Rachni queen or evil Rachni queen. You want normal psychopatic killer or evil psychopathic killer. Simple.

So in essence you're saying that BioWare couldn't be bothered hiring the VA as they thought that not many people chose Morinth in ME2. In other words you're saying they were lazy but you think that this particular instance of laziness was justified.

And the 'normal' and 'evil' rachni queens have identical VAs, almost identical dialogue and make only a very brief appearance. The Wrex/Wreav or Mordin/Padok comparisons are far more valid.

[justafan]

Seboist wrote...

Leave her role as is. She was treated with far more dignity and respect than Udina, TIM, the Quarians or the Alliance committee.

This, this, so much this.  She got off easy compared to these people/groups.  I wish her role was more expansive, as her character provided an interesting premise, but I doubt if they included her they could do her character justice.

[sistersafetypin]

hoodaticus wrote...

Morinth deserves to die.  And so do you, for murdering a Justicar to save a sick serial killer.

[Bad King]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Bad King wrote...

So in essence you're saying that BioWare couldn't be bothered hiring the VA as they thought that not many people chose Morinth in ME2. In other words you're saying they were lazy but you think that this particular instance of laziness was justified.

And the 'normal' and 'evil' rachni queens have identical VAs, almost identical dialogue and make only a very brief appearance. The Wrex/Wreav or Mordin/Padok comparisons are far more valid.

Why would they waste resources paying a VA that very very few people are interested in? Oh wait, money doesn't matter. They can just create their games on the goodwill and compliments of fans, right?

Because that's what Mass Effect should be all about. They gave you an option and so that option should have a satisfying outcome regardless of the demographic who picked that option. Otherwise the impact of choice would be minimal (to the point that they need not have offered the choice in the first place) and there would be less replay value.

Modifié par Bad King, 27 mai 2012 - 02:36 .

[Catamantaloedis]

Doing her character justice would consist of her murdering more people until Shepard frees her or kills her. She's just an easter egg.

[EagleScoutDJB]

Morinth's role in ME3 needed to be much bigger, if you sided with her in 2 you are probably the fist person in her life to trust her and in 3 it meant nothing.

[Volc19]

I think Morinth could have had a role in the story utilizing her Ardat-Yakshi 'talents' to help Shepard's war effort. Perhaps there could be a mission on the Citadel involving tracking her down after a slew of mysterious murders of individuals causing trouble on the Citadel, or people who are trying to impair the war effort. She could then be confronted, and told to either stop killing people or to keep on keeping on.

Just a thought. I just didn't want her to be a Samara re-skin... then she ended up amounting to even less.

[Catamantaloedis]

dbollendorf wrote...

Morinth's role in ME3 needed to be much bigger, if you sided with her in 2 you are probably the fist person in her life to trust her and in 3 it meant nothing.

What are you talking about? Plenty of people trusted her. And then she proceeded to murder them.

[thatguy212]

They really need to change it so she's a war asset as well as some "volunteers" she's recruited

[EagleScoutDJB]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

dbollendorf wrote...

Morinth's role in ME3 needed to be much bigger, if you sided with her in 2 you are probably the fist person in her life to trust her and in 3 it meant nothing.

What are you talking about? Plenty of people trusted her. And then she proceeded to murder them.

But they only tursted her becaues of her abilty to manipulate people, Shepard chose to trust her.

Modifié par dbollendorf, 27 mai 2012 - 03:07 .

[silentassassin264]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

dbollendorf wrote...

Morinth's role in ME3 needed to be much bigger, if you sided with her in 2 you are probably the fist person in her life to trust her and in 3 it meant nothing.

What are you talking about? Plenty of people trusted her. And then she proceeded to murder them.

What the good lad/lass probably means is that you are the first person in her life to know what she is and not treat her like she is an abomination to be purged.

[Catamantaloedis]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

dbollendorf wrote...

Morinth's role in ME3 needed to be much bigger, if you sided with her in 2 you are probably the fist person in her life to trust her and in 3 it meant nothing.

What are you talking about? Plenty of people trusted her. And then she proceeded to murder them.

What the good lad/lass probably means is that you are the first person in her life to know what she is and not treat her like she is an abomination to be purged.

The monastery would have treated her with great respect and the dignity that she deserves. She consciously chooses to kill for her own pleasure. She was given the choice of a comfortable, but chaste life, and instead chose to become a murderer. She is an abomination and the only punishment for her crimes is death.

Modifié par Catamantaloedis, 27 mai 2012 - 03:14 .

[Catamantaloedis]

dbollendorf wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

dbollendorf wrote...

Morinth's role in ME3 needed to be much bigger, if you sided with her in 2 you are probably the fist person in her life to trust her and in 3 it meant nothing.

What are you talking about? Plenty of people trusted her. And then she proceeded to murder them.

But they only tursted her becaues of her abilty to manipulate people, Shepard chose to trust her.

She then violated that trust by attempting to kill Shepard again. She is a monster, and her kind need to be cleansed. I would wipe out all of them just to be safe. The galaxy would be a better place because of it.