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[Xeranx]

I was so hoping to get to see what they really wanted to do with Morinth, but it turned out to be nothing at all. The emails also made me hopeful until the rug was pulled from under me. Funny how when I think of Morinth or any character that was unfairly done away with, I can't help but remember Kaidan's "cutting corners" statement. Though it was a statement about people getting hurt, it can be made to extend to choices being rendered null.

[SinnSly]

I really wish Morinth had a bigger role, she obviously still cared for her sisters, so it would make sense she'd try to save them.

[Feanor_II]

Bad King wrote...

2). Have Morinth take Samara's role in the Ardat Yakshi monastery mission (setting out to rescue her siblings)

And then we complain that "choices have no consequences", sure, Morinth could have been better used, but having her in the same role as Samara..... NO

[palker]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

I doubt they'll ever do this, but yeah, Morinth was really badly mishandled ME3.

If 
only   it was the thing badly mishandled in ME3

[Erield]

xbb1024 wrote...

A galaxy without monsters... where is the fun it that?

I though she was an interesting character. In RPGs I usually prefer interesting characters over who I judge to be 'moral' just for the storyline.

I didn't find Morinth all that interesting.  "Oh.  So.  You're one of those sexy-vampire types, are you?  That's cool.  Don't eat me."  annnnd that was about all she brought that I could tell.  Samara was bland and boring too, don't get me wrong.  Both were tons better than poor Jacob, though.  Poor bastard wouldn't know a personality if he slept with one and then cheated on her later.

[Seifer006]

Xeranx wrote...

I was so hoping to get to see what they really wanted to do with Morinth, but it turned out to be nothing at all..

This

[EagleScoutDJB]

The best part about the way they handled Morinth is the fact that I killed her in 2 and she still showed up in 3.

Modifié par dbollendorf, 28 mai 2012 - 01:45 .

[N7Gold]

SinnSly wrote...

I really wish Morinth had a bigger role, she obviously still cared for her sisters, so it would make sense she'd try to save them.

After reading Morinth's emails to Rila and Falerie on the Mass Effect Wiki, I for once agree with you and other Morinth fans even though I had her killed in my ME2.

[DonYourAviators]

Artistic integrity or something.

[Rogue Eagle]

i wouldn't have minded if she was turned into a banshee if we had some hand in her transformation ie. some quest, we betray or teach her a lesson, leaving her locked up for the reapers to collect. Even seeing the transformation as it occurs. Need more disturbing stuff

[Baine10]

At least have a mail from her to you before she dies. Or something.

Anything would be fine.

[Bad King]

Feanor_II wrote...

Bad King wrote...

2). Have Morinth take Samara's role in the Ardat Yakshi monastery mission (setting out to rescue her siblings)

And then we complain that "choices have no consequences", sure, Morinth could have been better used, but having her in the same role as Samara..... NO

Not at all. I was very satisfied with how in the Tuchanka arc Wrex could be replaced with Wreav for example. It's the same role but the characters have different attitudes and motivations which ultimately affect the moral choice (as well as your perception of the moral choice) at the end of the mission. Ideally, Morinth would have her very own mission, but that simply isn't being realistic when it comes to resources/time.

Joe Del Toro wrote...

The problem is it ties into the whole 'THIS side character deserves a cameo/appearance/entire DLC of their own!' mentality. I don't get why some character's arcs just couldn't end at ME2. I saw someone make a case for Veetor to make a return. Why? Because of the choice you made to either interrogate him with Cerberus or give him back to the fleet?

I realise swapping Samara for Morinth is a big deal, but there are other side characters out there who you could argue deserve a bigger place in the game. Nothing in particular makes Morinth that special in that regard, whether you like her or not. 

Seeing as every other ME1 and ME2 squadmate made an appearance, I think that Morinth definitely does deserve some sort of cameo. There's also the fact that players chose her over another squadmate (Samara) who does make an appearance, and so those who picked Morinth should have equivalent content for that choice.

Modifié par Bad King, 28 mai 2012 - 05:18 .

[Catamantaloedis]

Morinth was an easter egg.

[JBPBRC]

Joe Del Toro wrote...

but there are other side characters out there who you could argue deserve a bigger place in the game.

Indeed. Lorik Qui'in is quite possibly the most epic Turian in the game, second only to Garrus since he doesn't shoot bottles. And a visit to Noveria gave me nothing. NOTHING. Diana Allers? Who is THAT? Give me LORIK!

[Bad King]

JBPBRC wrote...

Joe Del Toro wrote...

but there are other side characters out there who you could argue deserve a bigger place in the game.

Indeed. Lorik Qui'in is quite possibly the most epic Turian in the game, second only to Garrus since he doesn't shoot bottles. And a visit to Noveria gave me nothing. NOTHING. Diana Allers? Who is THAT? Give me LORIK!

In a hypothetical situation though, if I had to kill lets say Thane in order to save [insert minor character here- e.g Lorik] who would then join my team in place of Thane, then I would expect him/her to have an equal/comparable amount of content with Thane in the third game as I deliberately chose him/her over Thane. Otherwise the entire decision in the first place was pretty much pointless- that's what I feel with Morinth.

Modifié par Bad King, 28 mai 2012 - 05:27 .

[Joe Del Toro]

Bad King wrote...

Seeing as every other ME1 and ME2 squadmate made an appearance, I think that Morinth definitely does deserve some sort of cameo. There's also the fact that players chose her over another squadmate (Samara) who does make an appearance, and so those who picked Morinth should have equivalent content for that choice.

We did get a cameo, dude. It just wasn't to your liking. I do get what you mean, though. However I think if it's not limited resources or whatever that caused this, it's most likely Bioware punishing you for selecting someone who is pretty much objectively friggin' evil.

JBPBRC wrote...

Indeed. Lorik Qui'in is quite possibly the most epic Turian in the game, second only to Garrus since he doesn't shoot bottles. And a visit to Noveria gave me nothing. NOTHING. Diana Allers? Who is THAT? Give me LORIK!

I guess you could say you're keen on Qu'in? Eh? Eh? (If your last name is Keane that makes this even better)

[Bad King]

Joe Del Toro wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Seeing as every other ME1 and ME2 squadmate made an appearance, I think that Morinth definitely does deserve some sort of cameo. There's also the fact that players chose her over another squadmate (Samara) who does make an appearance, and so those who picked Morinth should have equivalent content for that choice.

We did get a cameo, dude. It just wasn't to your liking. I do get what you mean, though. However I think if it's not limited resources or whatever that caused this, it's most likely Bioware punishing you for selecting someone who is pretty much objectively friggin' evil.

I'd argue that it wasn't a cameo at all. That wasn't the Morinth we know, it was just a banshee who happened to be called Morinth. Different model, no VA, no reference (other than the name) that it was even Morinth etc. Would you consider a husk called Zaeed a cameo for example?

As for 'punishing players' that would be a ridiculous reason for refusing us content. Why give us the choice in the first place if the effect is so marginal? It's far more likely that BioWare simply weren't willing to hire her VA. Also I chose Morinth on my second playthrough of ME2, so if what you say is correct, BioWare would be punishing fans who want to replay the game thus diminishing replay value.

Modifié par Bad King, 28 mai 2012 - 05:36 .

[Joe Del Toro]

Bad King wrote...

Joe Del Toro wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Seeing as every other ME1 and ME2 squadmate made an appearance, I think that Morinth definitely does deserve some sort of cameo. There's also the fact that players chose her over another squadmate (Samara) who does make an appearance, and so those who picked Morinth should have equivalent content for that choice.

We did get a cameo, dude. It just wasn't to your liking. I do get what you mean, though. However I think if it's not limited resources or whatever that caused this, it's most likely Bioware punishing you for selecting someone who is pretty much objectively friggin' evil.

I'd argue that it wasn't a cameo at all. That wasn't the Morinth we know, it was just a banshee who happened to be called Morinth. Different model, no VA, no reference (other than the name) that it was even Morinth etc. Would you consider a husk called Zaeed a cameo for example?

As for 'punishing players' that would be a ridiculous reason for refusing us content. Why give us the choice in the first place if the effect is so marginal? It's far more likely that BioWare simply weren't willing to hire her VA. Also I chose Morinth on my second playthrough of ME2, so if what you say is correct, BioWare would be punishing fans who want to replay the game thus diminishing replay value.

Eh, I dunno, would the husk have the accent?

You do have a point, and I don't disagree. I just think that's one possibility of what Bioware was trying to do with this. Too easy to just say 'they're lazy'.

[CroGamer002]

I like this suggestion.

[ZerebusPrime]

I thought that what happened to Morinth (turning into a banshee) was fitting. Her outsides now match her insides. She was always an irredeemable, self centered monster. We used her as a weapon in Mass Effect 2, little more, and even then she was eager to kill Shepard (joking aside, her version of death by snoo-snoo is still an act of murder).

Now, should Morinth been available for that Ardot Yakshi mission in ME3? Yes. It would have been a great chance to deliver a very, very different narrative to that mission and still showcase Morinth being a monster in her own right.

[Feanor_II]

Bad King wrote...

Feanor_II wrote...

Bad King wrote...

2). Have Morinth take Samara's role in the Ardat Yakshi monastery mission (setting out to rescue her siblings)

And then we complain that "choices have no consequences", sure, Morinth could have been better used, but having her in the same role as Samara..... NO

Not at all. I was very satisfied with how in the Tuchanka arc Wrex could be replaced with Wreav for example. It's the same role but the characters have different attitudes and motivations which ultimately affect the moral choice (as well as your perception of the moral choice) at the end of the mission. Ideally, Morinth would have her very own mission, but that simply isn't being realistic when it comes to resources/time.

Well people was really pissed on how the Rachni arc was managed.... in the end it doesn't matter if you release the Queen or not, the rachni related quest in ME3 is always there, with some variations..... people was really disgusted on how that choice didn't really make more impact and that aside from a few details it was the same chosing A or B.

I must say anyway that I pretty much agree with you.... but a lot of people has been disgusted  because there was not much difference between the consequences of our choices than some details. If you think about it the same happened on ME1 & 2 choices didn't make that much difference in the sense that the plot doesn't have many branches (as for example The Witcher II had with it's second act, a path BW should follow in my opinion) but it seems that most people was expecting that.

Modifié par Feanor_II, 28 mai 2012 - 05:54 .

[Bad King]

Feanor_II wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Feanor_II wrote...

Bad King wrote...

2). Have Morinth take Samara's role in the Ardat Yakshi monastery mission (setting out to rescue her siblings)

And then we complain that "choices have no consequences", sure, Morinth could have been better used, but having her in the same role as Samara..... NO

Not at all. I was very satisfied with how in the Tuchanka arc Wrex could be replaced with Wreav for example. It's the same role but the characters have different attitudes and motivations which ultimately affect the moral choice (as well as your perception of the moral choice) at the end of the mission. Ideally, Morinth would have her very own mission, but that simply isn't being realistic when it comes to resources/time.

Well people was really pissed on how the Rachni arc was managed.... in the end it doesn't matter if you release the Queen or not, the rachni related quest in ME3 is always there, with some variations..... people was really disgusted on how that choice didn't really make more impact and that aside from a few details it was the same chosing A or B.

I must say anyway that I pretty much agree with you.... but a lot of people has been disgusted  because there was not much difference between the consequences of our choices than some details. If you think about it the same happened on ME1 & 2 choices didn't make that much difference in the sense that the plot doesn't have many branches (as for example The Witcher II had with it's second act, a path BW should follow in my opinion) but it seems that most people was expecting that.

Yes, I am one of those people who has criticised the consequences of the rachni decision (or should I say lack of them) in the past (see the link in my sig), but I don't think you can compare them to what I'm proposing in this thread. A few of us discussed this earlier in the thread, and I came to the conclusion that the consequences of killing Wrex (and having him replaced with Wreav) or letting Mordin die in ME2 (and having him replaced by Padok) are more valid comparisons.

Modifié par Bad King, 28 mai 2012 - 06:46 .

[Zix13]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

I doubt they'll ever do this, but yeah, Morinth was really badly mishandled in ME3.

Agreed, there are much bigger problems that I'd rather see fixed, but the handling of Morinth was beyond lazy. Made the choice in ME2 pretty much irrelevant. Then there was the banshee bit that was basically a slap in the face to anyone who was disappointed in her lack of cameo in ME3. 

[Zix13]

JBPBRC wrote...

Joe Del Toro wrote...

but there are other side characters out there who you could argue deserve a bigger place in the game.

Indeed. Lorik Qui'in is quite possibly the most epic Turian in the game, second only to Garrus since he doesn't shoot bottles. And a visit to Noveria gave me nothing. NOTHING. Diana Allers? Who is THAT? Give me LORIK!

Except... they weren't squadmates.