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[Zix13]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

She's a murdering psycho, she doesn't deserve any other fate.

So is (ME2) Jack. 

[Xeranx]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

I thought that what happened to Morinth (turning into a banshee) was fitting. Her outsides now match her insides. She was always an irredeemable, self centered monster. We used her as a weapon in Mass Effect 2, little more, and even then she was eager to kill Shepard (joking aside, her version of death by snoo-snoo is still an act of murder).

Now, should Morinth been available for that Ardot Yakshi mission in ME3? Yes. It would have been a great chance to deliver a very, very different narrative to that mission and still showcase Morinth being a monster in her own right.

The letters she sends her sisters in ME3 seem to disagree with the notion that she's a monster.  Heh, her own words if Samara is chosen over her are, "and they call me a monster" implying that she still has feelings maybe?

By the way, her being "eager to kill Shepard" is all supposition.  You can't back that up in any way, shape, or form in ME2.  And now (again), ME3 seems to do away with the notion entirely.

[RyrineaNara]

silentassassin264 wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Morinth deserves to die.  And so do you, for murdering a Justicar to save a sick serial killer.

All right that's it.  I'm getting tired of posting this, but you asked for it.

bobobo878 wrote...
Morinth and Samara are bother murderers, but at least Morinth is honest with herself about what she does. Morinth may not have a religious code to justify killing Nef, but that does not make this act any more monsterous than the murders Samara commits. If Shepard hadn't come to her rescue, Samara would have murdered that cop on Illium just for doing her job.

Samara said she saw him kill an unarmed civilian, but she didn't bother to stop and ask him why she killed that person. Being a Spectre, Nihilus could have had a very good reason for killing that person. The person Nihlus killed could have been a spy, who would have put people in danger with the information he would have sent if Nihlus had killed him later. Or, he could have been a terrorist, bearing a concealed weapon of mass destruction that Samara did not see. But Samara herself said that she did not know why Nihlus killed him. 

When Samara said that she didn't need to know why she was helping you eradicate the collectors, saying "If I have to kill a man, do I need to know he's a loving father?" it revealed a deeply disturbing facet of her character. Samara simply does not care to know if what she does is wrong. After she discovered that her daughters were ardat-yakshi she ceased to trust in her own judgement, and being too afraid to make her own choices anymore, she lets her code think for her. For all she knew, Nihlus could have just saved more lives than she ever will, but that doesn't matter to her because allowing her code to think for her saves her from having to make hard choices.

I'm not saying it's okay for Morinth to commit serial murder against hipsters on Omega, but Samara is a trigger happy zealot meddling in galactic security affairs that she simply does not care to understand. At least when Morinth murders in cold blood, she doesn't put galactic security at risk.

 

I thought I was the only one who wasn't blind to Samara's insanity.

http://social.biowar...ndex/12086049/2 

There is hope for this cycle.

I saw that as a little bit hypocritical on her part to describe her daughter as a Serial Killer, since she kills people without remorse all the time. Do not give me that crap about killing the unjust, since according to bioware its A-ok to murder the unjust in the name of Justice.(Since choosing her  is a paragon option) I would consider her murdering people no matter if their innocent of said crime is more of a renegade type.


I can't understand why the Justicer monks do not have a system in place to keep their people from going overboard like Samara does. I mean cops are investigated when they kill someone on the job to make sure it was in fact self defense and not murder. Why aren't these monks held to the same stander as a normal cop is?

[Xeranx]

RyrineaNara wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Morinth deserves to die.  And so do you, for murdering a Justicar to save a sick serial killer.

All right that's it.  I'm getting tired of posting this, but you asked for it.

bobobo878 wrote...
Morinth and Samara are bother murderers, but at least Morinth is honest with herself about what she does. Morinth may not have a religious code to justify killing Nef, but that does not make this act any more monsterous than the murders Samara commits. If Shepard hadn't come to her rescue, Samara would have murdered that cop on Illium just for doing her job.

Samara said she saw him kill an unarmed civilian, but she didn't bother to stop and ask him why she killed that person. Being a Spectre, Nihilus could have had a very good reason for killing that person. The person Nihlus killed could have been a spy, who would have put people in danger with the information he would have sent if Nihlus had killed him later. Or, he could have been a terrorist, bearing a concealed weapon of mass destruction that Samara did not see. But Samara herself said that she did not know why Nihlus killed him. 

When Samara said that she didn't need to know why she was helping you eradicate the collectors, saying "If I have to kill a man, do I need to know he's a loving father?" it revealed a deeply disturbing facet of her character. Samara simply does not care to know if what she does is wrong. After she discovered that her daughters were ardat-yakshi she ceased to trust in her own judgement, and being too afraid to make her own choices anymore, she lets her code think for her. For all she knew, Nihlus could have just saved more lives than she ever will, but that doesn't matter to her because allowing her code to think for her saves her from having to make hard choices.

I'm not saying it's okay for Morinth to commit serial murder against hipsters on Omega, but Samara is a trigger happy zealot meddling in galactic security affairs that she simply does not care to understand. At least when Morinth murders in cold blood, she doesn't put galactic security at risk.

 

I thought I was the only one who wasn't blind to Samara's insanity.

http://social.biowar...ndex/12086049/2 

There is hope for this cycle.

I saw that as a little bit hypocritical on her part to describe her daughter as a Serial Killer, since she kills people without remorse all the time. Do not give me that crap about killing the unjust, since according to bioware its A-ok to murder the unjust in the name of Justice.(Since choosing her  is a paragon option) I would consider her murdering people no matter if their innocent of said crime is more of a renegade type.


I can't understand why the Justicer monks do not have a system in place to keep their people from going overboard like Samara does. I mean cops are investigated when they kill someone on the job to make sure it was in fact self defense and not murder. Why aren't these monks held to the same stander as a normal cop is?

Because, just as the Ardat Yakshi were revered as goddesses, the Justicar code is revered as absolutely perfect.

[DatRandomGuy1]

Jamie9 wrote...

I will never ever understand why Harbinger and Morinth are just not used. They had such potential.

Harbringer is used, At the start of (The horror!) the ME3 ending, Harbringer is the Reaper firing the beams at the Ground team, and then Flys away as soon as Shepard wakes up.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

The thing I really love about Morinth is that I can't decide if she's a sociopath or if she's just an addict that can't stop herself. She didn't get much interaction with Shepard but I did like that Shepard asks if Morinth is lonely. Shepard could be the first friend Morinth has had since she ran away and that's what made their relationship interesting to me.

I dunno if anyone has watched the bbc series Luther but the relationship between Luther and Alice for me is exactly what the relationship between Shepard and Morinth could have been if it hadn't been abandoned.

[dirtdiver32318]

wait morinth is turned into a banshee? It is not a scene right its just on Liara's terminal with the letters she sent to her sister?

[chemiclord]

Jamie9 wrote...

I will never ever understand why Harbinger and Morinth are just not used. They had such potential.

Because the fans (who Bioware supposedly never listened to at all) claimed they hated Harbinger, and Morinth was chosen over Samara in something like 2% of games (if I recall correctly).

In a game that fans are already complaining was rushed... catering unique content to said 2% would be a little foolhardy, don't you think?

Modifié par chemiclord, 28 mai 2012 - 11:53 .

[Bad King]

dirtdiver32318 wrote...

wait morinth is turned into a banshee? It is not a scene right its just on Liara's terminal with the letters she sent to her sister?

You don't actually witness the transformation, but during Priority:Earth you bump into a banshee with the name 'Morinth'. Nobody in-game actually acknowledges that the banshee was Morinth, only we the player seem to know (which is why it is pretty much a case of breaking the fourth wall).

[dirtdiver32318]

okay thanks I must have missed it. I was way to much in the zone of killing Reaper A** thank you im going to look for it my next playthrough

[capn233]

Morinth died in every ME2 playthrough I did except one. I don't miss her from ME3 whatsoever.

And I Cained the banshee near the Hades cannon too fast to even see that it was her on that import.

[Carlthestrange]

Unless they retcon the whole Earth mission, I doubt they will be willing to change the fate of Morinth.

"Artistic integrity"

[Jamie9]

chemiclord wrote...

Because the fans (who Bioware supposedly never listened to at all) claimed they hated Harbinger, and Morinth was chosen over Samara in something like 2% of games (if I recall correctly).

In a game that fans are already complaining was rushed... catering unique content to said 2% would be a little foolhardy, don't you think?

Yes, which is why, though I'm disappointed, I'd much have rathered them make the Collector Base decision make a difference.

It's not foolhardy of them to cater to 2% of players. But it IS selfish of me to suggest they spend resources on this instead of something that would affect more people. So I don't.

I still wish Morinth has a small appearance (with her VA). But I know why she didn't. I'm sorry if I came over selfish, it wasn't intended.

[Taboo]

Weird.

Last time I saw Morinth, Samara had turned her head into a purple paste.

Did I do something wrong?

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 29 mai 2012 - 12:04 .

[Seboist]

Bad King wrote...

dirtdiver32318 wrote...

wait morinth is turned into a banshee? It is not a scene right its just on Liara's terminal with the letters she sent to her sister?

You don't actually witness the transformation, but during Priority:Earth you bump into a banshee with the name 'Morinth'. Nobody in-game actually acknowledges that the banshee was Morinth, only we the player seem to know (which is why it is pretty much a case of breaking the fourth wall).

I didn't even notice it was Morinth when I played.

[Xeranx]

Carlthestrange wrote...

Unless they retcon the whole Earth mission, I doubt they will be willing to change the fate of Morinth.

"Artistic integrity"

Considering they never actually acknowledged her it wouldn't really be a retcon.  It makes it entirely possible to disregard the name plate.

@Taboo

Unless you're interested in joining the discussion, I'd rather you just not say anything at all.  You could insinuate that you got to me, but you've done this in other threads: attempted to troll people.  It's really childish and nonensical.

Just thought I'd let you know. Later.

[chemiclord]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Weird.

Last time I saw Morinth, Samara had turned her head into a purple paste.

Did I do something wrong?

I dunno.  But I know I asked the same question when I saw Miranda get yanked away by Seeker swarms during the suicide mission.

About five seconds later, I realized, "Nope.  That sounds about right."

[Taboo]

chemiclord wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Weird.

Last time I saw Morinth, Samara had turned her head into a purple paste.

Did I do something wrong?

I dunno.  But I know I asked the same question when I saw Miranda get yanked away by Seeker swarms during the suicide mission.

About five seconds later, I realized, "Nope.  That sounds about right."

You sir, are a jerk.

[chemiclord]

Taboo-XX wrote...

You sir, are a jerk.

Funny thing was, that actually DID happen to me my first run through.  It was later that I learned Miranda isn't a particularly good choice for making the barrier, even though she says she would be.  Future attempts were more fruitful in keeping her not swarm food.

[Joe Del Toro]

chemiclord wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

You sir, are a jerk.

Funny thing was, that actually DID happen to me my first run through.  It was later that I learned Miranda isn't a particularly good choice for making the barrier, even though she says she would be.  Future attempts were more fruitful in keeping her not swarm food.

You know what, her saying she'd be able to handle it and then not doing  so makes her a complete tool.

[Soga_Iname]

Joe Del Toro wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

You sir, are a jerk.

Funny thing was, that actually DID happen to me my first run through.  It was later that I learned Miranda isn't a particularly good choice for making the barrier, even though she says she would be.  Future attempts were more fruitful in keeping her not swarm food.

You know what, her saying she'd be able to handle it and then not doing  so makes her a complete tool.

You noticed that Miranda is a complete tool as well? And here I thought it was just me.

[warlock22]

I love Samara, I also liked Morinth alot. They treated both of them like crap. I was hoping to see Morinth again on my renegade Shepard. I wanted to see their relationship unfold, and by relationship I mean friendship. I think Shepard is the only friend Morinth has ever really had, and maybe Shepard could change her in a way, as in be less psychopathic. I just found her character very interesting, and if they developed a cure for her, then a romance with her would be very interesting. But I'm not sure I could do that, just because of.. well who she is. Either way she should have been in Samara's place in ME3 if you sided with her.

[warlock22]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

The thing I really love about Morinth is that I can't decide if she's a sociopath or if she's just an addict that can't stop herself. She didn't get much interaction with Shepard but I did like that Shepard asks if Morinth is lonely. Shepard could be the first friend Morinth has had since she ran away and that's what made their relationship interesting to me.

Agreed. I wanted to see how that developed.

[Reuben702]

I wish that would happen. Only two reasons I kept her alive. One, to see how she was wrapped up in ME3 (fail). Two, for the Dominate ability (removed in ME3).

[robertthebard]

Joe Del Toro wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Nyxeris wrote...

Uh, how do you "fail" Samara's mission? By taking Morinth? Because if you do that, then the whole Banshee thing happens. Now, your second request should happen if Morinth was taken instead of Samara, but I'm not seeing how the third could happen, if only because I don't know how to make unloyal squadmates survive the final mission.

If you suck at seducing Morinth she ditches you before you get back to the apartment and Samara doesn't get a chance to attack her.

That dialog exchange with her is something I think they should have scaled up and utilised for the final confrontation with TIM (minus the flirting of course:P). Have a bunch of things you can say, and dialog options only made available if you've taken the right actions.

Incidentally, I'm not a huge fan of Morinth because I didn't really see where she could go, I'd genuinely be interested in hearing people's ideas on how she could have been used in ME3?

As a serial killer, which is pretty much how she winds up, a Banshee.  While there seemed to be a lot of Banshees, I have to wonder if Ardat Yaksi was a requirement to be one, or if just any Asari could.

I could, however, fall back on the BSN atypical response:  I chose to kill her on my Paragon because she was a serial killer, and would continue to be a serial killer for centuries if left unchecked.  I chose to kill her on my Renegade because she was a threat to my powerhungry goals, nobody should be more respected, or feared than I am.  If you chose neither of these options, then you did it wrong.  Not that this is my take on it, but it is typical BSN logic.