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[BackwardsMan4TW]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Also, if people are so hellbent on writing stories, maybe they should create their own instead of telling other people how to write theirs.

Considering you don't even have a Dragon Age icon under your name...your credibility is lacking.

Funny, that retort had absolutely nothing to do with the post you quoted.

And maybe you should learn some reading comprehension. That article said NOTHING about writing the story.

They are asking for fan feedback.  Go to the Bioware Blog and read it yourself and then read the forum link.

Its called fan feedback. We are consumers and considering we pay for these games we have the right to make our voices heard in a polite manner.

You're still telling them how to write their stories. Lord forbid they write their material the way they want to. Stuff like this puts shackles on writers. Pretty soon no one in the game industry is going to be willing to take a risk because the consumers will rage about it.

So as consumers we have no say in anything??  I guess you dont believe in Consumer rights for anything right?  They also want feedback about gameplay.

The fact is DA:2 only sold half of what Origins sold. If it had been a blockbuster success they would NOT be asking for feedback. Is that simple for you to comprehend?

Wow, you feel the need to insult my intllegence in every single post you direct at me. You have issues. All I'm saying is that as the writers of the series, they have the right to do whatever they want.

Which means they also have the right to get the opinions of the fans to find out how to please them so that they sell more games.

I don't think that this is the huge blow to creative freedom that you think it is. I understand that it would stink if fans determined everything about a story, but that just doesn't seeem to be the case. After all, Bioware doesn't have to listen to any of the suggestions if they decide they don't want to.

[Jostle]

Hmm, it's interesting to me that the author of this piece points out that one of his main gripes with DA:O is that the main character's dialogue isn't voiced. It can be great and immersive having the player character fully voiced, but I think not having it voiced was necessary in Origins and arguably makes for a better sense of character. I wouldn't want my dwarves duster male rogue to have the same voice as my noble human male warrior or my elven mage, for example. I also enjoy having more than three responses to any given dialogue with other characters. I enjoy not having to guess that "Really?" is going to translate into a snarky response on my character's part.

I also think full v/os limit the scope of DLC significantly. Lair of the shadow broker was pretty great at mitigating the feeling of limitation through few v/os, but it was still on rails. Without the requirement (for that is what it becomes when you set it up that way) of voice acting, I think developers are offered a lot of freedom in the content they create. I see it as a sort of demon of progress I guess.

Anyway, sorry for ranting get off topic. To the point, it doesn't seem like this is really going to effect DA "3" (blergh to sequels that aren't remotely sequels, DA2 is not a sequel...) very much or at all. It may give some the perception of influence, but I hope the reception bioware has received from their last few games would give them enough insight to recognize that people don't want to buy rushed games, which I think is the biggest problem.

[xsdob]

I have mixed feelings about this to be honest. Part of me is ecstatic that I and others can band together and have, not control per say, but at least some input in the creative process. Another part is horrified because I've been here and seen some of the crap ideas that fans like and the amount of mary-suing that fan favorites can get, to the point that a legitimate discussion of making a balanced approach to it becomes impossible.

Hopefully they use this as a point of consideration and an easier to navigate system of gauging the fanbase rather than a voting system where the best submission gets added all the time without any sort of creative thought or filters at all.

Personally, I'm more concerned about the game itself, this whole system could spoil the entire game. Think about it, every cool cameo, place to visit, twist in the story, and important scene will already be up and speculated on, this whole process will be one giant spoiler.

All I have to ask is, when does it start and how do I get in on this?

[Megachaz]

There's nothing wrong with this. Fans aren't writing the story by any means. I suspect it'll be mostly along the lines of "Which old characters would you like to see return in DA3?"

[BackwardsMan4TW]

xsdob wrote...

I have mixed feelings about this to be honest. Part of me is ecstatic that I and others can band together and have, not control per say, but at least some input in the creative process. Another part is horrified because I've been here and seen some of the crap ideas that fans like and the amount of mary-suing that fan favorites can get, to the point that a legitimate discussion of making a balanced approach to it becomes impossible.

Hopefully they use this as a point of consideration and an easier to navigate system of gauging the fanbase rather than a voting system where the best submission gets added all the time without any sort of creative thought or filters at all.

Personally, I'm more concerned about the game itself, this whole system could spoil the entire game. Think about it, every cool cameo, place to visit, twist in the story, and important scene will already be up and speculated on, this whole process will be one giant spoiler.

All I have to ask is, when does it start and how do I get in on this?

Agreed.

[fealhach]

A game written by angsty teenagers. Woohoo.

I've never approved of the opinions of the masses. Look at the politicians they put into power and the singles that reach number one.

Here's my feedback. The Warden/Hawke/Whoever doesn't die at the end. Crazy or what?

Modifié par fealhach, 27 mai 2012 - 07:16 .

[jules_vern18]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

BioWare has finally caved completly. Get angry enough at a story and you can put shackles on a dev.

Fans are essentially going to write DA3


Changing an ending is one thing, but now they can't even write a story the way they want to. smh.

Sorry, but it's Bioware's own fault.  Screw up two AAA titles badly enough and you have to be really careful with the third.

But even then, no one's making Bioware do anything.  They're a major development company; they can do what they want - if you don't like the direction they're taking with developing the next game, blame them, not us.  

All fans have done throughout this entire ordeal is express their anger and disappointment over the endings, which is perfectly within their right to do - especially as consumers.  Bioware has made several choices on how to respond; some good, some bad.  With all due respect, take it up with them.

[jules_vern18]

fealhach wrote...

A game written by angsty teenagers. Woohoo.

I've never approved of the opinions of the masses. Look at the politicians they put into power and the singles that reach number one.

Would you say that by listening to our feedback and releasing the EC, Bioware is letting "angsty teenagers" rewrite their ending?

Listening to feedback does not equal handing over the reins.  It's basically market testing.

[Talogrungi]

They're using the forum community as a focus group, that's all.

This is a good thing; they're recognising that the thoughts of an invested fanbase are a useful resource that will improve the quality of the product.

They're not putting the entire writing process into the hands of the fans; that's hyperbolic nonsense.

[yukon fire]

It's funny all you who say they "we can't trust the fans with the story" after their last two times to bat I would think "we can't trust the writers with the story" would be the more accurate fear. And Mad I know you will say its their story, but we invest in it, and the writers have a duty (ha... duty) to maintain our investment in a way that benefits all parties (not just the high school level "dark" artistic ramblings of a few individuals in need of remedial English course).

[Johcande XX]

Couldn't possibly care less about DA3, just seems like their trying to win over there fanbase still. Don't blow this way out of proportion either, their just looking for suggestions. Nothing says they can't just stick with their own ideas.

[tomcplotts]

excelon wrote...

There's going to be so many conflicts between fans over where the story should go. It'll be a nightmare.

this. too much variation in fan type for these mega titles, especially the ME and DA series. Danger is watering down all elements to jam something in for everyone. Aside from the endinbg debacle, that was a big problem in ME3 even if the ending would have turned out okay.

[dreman9999]

Xellith wrote...

C-Sec Officer wrote...

Its getting late, but Ok. One more story...

EC...

[sombodysomone]

Orlake wrote...

It would seem that the DA crew looked over at the ME team and their shenanigans since March, and are now terrified.


....as they should be.

THIS.

[tomcplotts]

Two things stick out about that Merizan blog. The first is the very unsubtle feeler for additional marketing "products" that she refers to. This bugs me. It's sort of asking you what you'll buy, not hat would make the game a better experience. A backdoor marketing poll. And what was crazier is thasome of the listed ideas-especially animated comics and "novels" (choke)--caused a bunch of problems with the ME series. The second was on the restriction of comments on gameplay issues. That would seem to be an area where people who want to take issue with cost-cutting measures would have some thing to say; like, not having three dungeon types in the entire game, or having a journal that's worth a crap, or....

I don't hold out much hope that they'll learn their lesson even now, and in some ways, that blog confirms it. They're going to do the same crap all over again.

[Melca36]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Also, if people are so hellbent on writing stories, maybe they should create their own instead of telling other people how to write theirs.

Considering you don't even have a Dragon Age icon under your name...your credibility is lacking.

Funny, that retort had absolutely nothing to do with the post you quoted.

And maybe you should learn some reading comprehension. That article said NOTHING about writing the story.

They are asking for fan feedback.  Go to the Bioware Blog and read it yourself and then read the forum link.

Its called fan feedback. We are consumers and considering we pay for these games we have the right to make our voices heard in a polite manner.

You're still telling them how to write their stories. Lord forbid they write their material the way they want to. Stuff like this puts shackles on writers. Pretty soon no one in the game industry is going to be willing to take a risk because the consumers will rage about it.

So as consumers we have no say in anything??  I guess you dont believe in Consumer rights for anything right?  They also want feedback about gameplay.

The fact is DA:2 only sold half of what Origins sold. If it had been a blockbuster success they would NOT be asking for feedback. Is that simple for you to comprehend?

Wow, you feel the need to insult my intllegence in every single post you direct at me. You have issues. All I'm saying is that as the writers of the series, they have the right to do whatever they want.

Actually you are the one with issues. There is nothing in that article that says the fans are writing the story.

They are asking for fan feedback. That is all.  Please explain what is wrong with that?

They want their games to sell. How hard is that to understand?

[Melca36]

Talogrungi wrote...

They're using the forum community as a focus group, that's all.

This is a good thing; they're recognising that the thoughts of an invested fanbase are a useful resource that will improve the quality of the product.

They're not putting the entire writing process into the hands of the fans; that's hyperbolic nonsense.

Thank the Maker! Someone who actually read the article correctly. Thanks for restoring my faith in humanity.

There is nothing wrong with fan feedback.

[Eterna]

Horrible idea. Most of the fans don't even know what the hell they want.

[XqctaX]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

BioWare has finally caved completly. Get angry enough at a story and you can put shackles on a dev.

Fans are essentially going to write DA3


Changing an ending is one thing, but now they can't even write a story the way they want to. smh.

 I dont care if they say they will try and make DA3 better. 
first of all its only empty words untill they accually have a good product out.

secondly MASS EFFECT 3 IS STILL BROKEN! 

[Eterna]

XqctaX wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

BioWare has finally caved completly. Get angry enough at a story and you can put shackles on a dev.

Fans are essentially going to write DA3


Changing an ending is one thing, but now they can't even write a story the way they want to. smh.

 I dont care if they say they will try and make DA3 better. 
first of all its only empty words untill they accually have a good product out.

secondly MASS EFFECT 3 IS STILL BROKEN! 

I can play it just fine.

[yukon fire]

Eterna5 wrote...

XqctaX wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

BioWare has finally caved completly. Get angry enough at a story and you can put shackles on a dev.

Fans are essentially going to write DA3


Changing an ending is one thing, but now they can't even write a story the way they want to. smh.

 I dont care if they say they will try and make DA3 better. 
first of all its only empty words untill they accually have a good product out.

secondly MASS EFFECT 3 IS STILL BROKEN! 

I can play it just fine.

Casey, is that you?

[Helios969]

There was a time Bioware could do no wrong, but now, it's really damn depressing. I don't know where I'm gonna go for interactive, choice-based RPG's if things don't turn around. I play one, maybe two games per year. For about the last decade it's been 95% Bioware products.

DA2, an already declining market, and now the disaster with ME3's ending. Maybe the company is in more trouble than we realize. Maybe the next major release needs to be that good. I don't think it's a bad idea turning to gamers for story content ideas. A good team of writers should be able to merge fan ideas with their own and the general story arc. But I'm starting to question who's overseeing these products and approving the release. Do these people actually sit down and play the game they've designed before shipping it to market?

[ReXspec]

yukon fire wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

XqctaX wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

BioWare has finally caved completly. Get angry enough at a story and you can put shackles on a dev.

Fans are essentially going to write DA3


Changing an ending is one thing, but now they can't even write a story the way they want to. smh.

 I dont care if they say they will try and make DA3 better. 
first of all its only empty words untill they accually have a good product out.

secondly MASS EFFECT 3 IS STILL BROKEN! 

I can play it just fine.

Casey, is that you?

+1 for win. lol