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[ArthurVon]

Yeah, DA3 the next trolling, it will be funny.

[EricHVela]

That article makes claims well beyond what the quote actually says:

Beginning today, we’ll do a series of questions and discussions around Dragon Age. Consider this a conversation between fans, the community team, and the developers. Everyone at BioWare is incredibly excited about the future of the franchise but we’re interested in what you have to say. Every month, we will discuss a topic or question about Dragon Age and game development. You will have one week to post your thoughts, desires, and hopes before we close the thread for review. Moderators and developers will pop into the thread to chat every now and again, so keep an eye out.

These questions and discussions are not only for future games, but other potential products like novels, animated features, pen and paper RPGs, and comics – all of which offer us opportunities to expand on parts of the world.

Nowhere does it say that the developers are going to ask players to give them suggestions on the plot or even gameplay. It says they'll ask BSNers a topic or question and allow discussion for a week.

No more -- no less.

[Apathy1989]

Listening to fan interests and ideas is a good thing. Just the ultimate writing and design needs to rest with Bioware.

One is what we are interested in, the other is the creative process to fulfill our interests.

[crimzontearz]

OK now I am waiting to see Casey proudly announcing his reallocation to a different project

[SC0TTYD00]

Hmm this could be good, but it also could be bad too. We think we know what we want, but we don't. They took out exploration in Me1 because fans complained about the mako.

They took harbinger out of ME3 because fans moaned that he was crap in ME2, now fans are moaning because Harbinger wasn't in ME3 and we didnt get a final battle with him.

Don't ask fans, none of them have a clue what they want, not really.

[Obadiah]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

I don't get it. It is really a mystery as to what players want?

They don't all want the same thing.

I think it's pretty obvious that players wanted more of an explanation of the Reapers, for the plot of the 3 games to make sense (dark energy, weird human DNA diversity, abnormal Reaper interest in Shepard), their choices to matter at the climax (all they do is add up to Readiness numbers), and to see those choices play out in the aftermath. I also wanted a bit more of a sophiticated explanation for the Reapers as well, but I could live with what I got.

It may have been a bit too much given expense of the clinematic presentation and the develpment timeline.

Wasn't Bioware the company that used to not tell people a game's delivery date a year in advance, and just told fans, "we'll let you know when its ready."

Modifié par Obadiah, 27 mai 2012 - 01:20 .

[Cliffman]

Obadiah wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

I don't get it. It is really a mystery as to what players want?

They don't all want the same thing.

I think it's pretty obvious that players wanted more of an explanation of the Reapers, for the plot of the 3 games to make sense (dark energy, weird human DNA diversity, abnormal Reaper interest in Shepard), their choices to matter at the climax (all they do is add up to Readiness numbers), and to see those choices play out in the aftermath. I also wanted a bit more of a sophiticated explanation for the Reapers as well, but I could live with what I got.

It may have been a bit too much given expense of the clinematic presentation and the develpment timeline.

Wasn't Bioware the company that used to not tell people a game's delivery date a year in advance, and just told fans, "we'll let you know when its ready."

Enter EA.

[Pottumuusi]

Letting fans write the game isn't really the way to go about making a good product.

The way to do it is not to try and pass your executive producer's fanfic off as an ending.
Instead they should let the actual writers write it, and allow peer review.

Had they done that, this whole thing would have never happened.

[Fail_Inc]

Discussions are always bad God help us all if anyone tries to communicate with each other and share ideas.

I mean who wants to create something decent that will appeal to the masses more? (and make more money for them)

to be honest i don't believe they will let players write the story but ask questions like "do you wanna see more flemeth? or learn more about her?". Involving players or at least creating that illusion will restore faith in BW and create more "****s", good for them

[ArcanistLibram]

Dragon Age 2's writing was mediocre throughout and Mass Effect 3's writing was wildly inconsistent. I don't know if asking for fan feedback is the best idea, but whatever Bioware is doing now is clearly not working.

[ev76]

Wow, hope they take some feedback and implement it to story if possible but not create story based on fan feed back. Wow I hope I made sense haha.

[Apocaleepse360]

You're making out that they're a perfect company that didn't do anything wrong. They're developers in a famous company known for in-depth and emotional storytelling, then they mess up on 2 games in a space of 2 years. It's a simple solution, either be more creative or just hire new writers.

Modifié par Apocaleepse360, 27 mai 2012 - 07:20 .

[Apocaleepse360]

Cliffman wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

I don't get it. It is really a mystery as to what players want?

They don't all want the same thing.

I think it's pretty obvious that players wanted more of an explanation of the Reapers, for the plot of the 3 games to make sense (dark energy, weird human DNA diversity, abnormal Reaper interest in Shepard), their choices to matter at the climax (all they do is add up to Readiness numbers), and to see those choices play out in the aftermath. I also wanted a bit more of a sophiticated explanation for the Reapers as well, but I could live with what I got.

It may have been a bit too much given expense of the clinematic presentation and the develpment timeline.

Wasn't Bioware the company that used to not tell people a game's delivery date a year in advance, and just told fans, "we'll let you know when its ready."

Enter EA.

Or enter any publisher, to be honest. If Bioware had stayed with Microsoft, they would have done the exact same thing. Probably not as humiliating, but it'd probably have a large multiplayer focus and semi-rushed at least.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

ReXspec wrote...

Responding to fan feedback and taking consideration of what fans actually want...

Like they were supposed to do IN THE F*CKING FIRST PLACE.

OK then, I'll just send my monies to you, and we can expect a game in about.........................................................?

GET REAL!!!!!!!!

Who writes these fantastic stories? YOU?!

GET OFF THE PROVERBIAL HORSES, and listen to yourselves, you make it sound like we are responsible for the entire series, and yet we beotch at every innonvation/risky move, portrayed in gaming. ME and DA both.

Get over yourselves already!!

[Rafficus III]

Fans aren't writing the story, though. They are simply placing suggestions as to what they want to hear about or see more of. I'm not really worried about DA3, as funny as that may seem, simply because I think Bioware will play it extremely safe and so close to the collar that the outrage that would come of this will make the fans appear in bad light after outreaching towards them in the manner they are. Yes, ToR being an MMO greatly upset me and so did ME3's controversial ending, but life goes on. Either DA3 succeeds or it doesn't.

[Rafficus III]

I agree with you on this point, but you cannot ignore that the more vocal of posters have been clamoring for this for sometime. I've never been for it, as what was mentioned in the article in regards to Star Wars, but I can also understand frustrations. Disgruntled fanbases are always tricky to deal with.

[Lwyn]

ohupthis wrote...

ReXspec wrote...

Responding to fan feedback and taking consideration of what fans actually want...

Like they were supposed to do IN THE F*CKING FIRST PLACE.

OK then, I'll just send my monies to you, and we can expect a game in about.........................................................?

GET REAL!!!!!!!!

Who writes these fantastic stories? YOU?!

GET OFF THE PROVERBIAL HORSES, and listen to yourselves, you make it sound like we are responsible for the entire series, and yet we beotch at every innonvation/risky move, portrayed in gaming. ME and DA both.

Get over yourselves already!!

Never before have I heard the word innovation associated with reusing environments or haphazard writing, latter applies to both DA2 and ME3. Intriguing.

[Grimwick]

Crowd-sourcing ideas isn't necessarily a bad thing, OP.

It could do DA some good, especially after that mess-up which was DA2.

[Grimwick]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Yes, I admit, the OP was a bit of a hyperbole. I still stand by the statement that stuff like this puts shackles on the writers though.

Not really. It's simply a gathering of ideas and feedback... like they did with ME2.

The developers aren't forced into some kind of blood pact whenever they hear a suggestion from a fan, they can select and highlight the best or the most popular ideas and try to incorporate them but they aren't forced into actually using it.  Everybody wins.

[spirosz]

thesnake777 wrote...

....I just want Bioware to take as much time as they need with their games..I think the majority of the problems with plot lines is rushed development....

Basically.  

[jsadalia]

Talk about exaggerated reporting. BioWare said they're open to "conversations," and not only about games but ancillary stuff too.

The writers of DA3 can ignore whatever they want. This just looks like preemptive PR.

[Joe Del Toro]

I think so long as 'fan feedback' is limited to "For God's sakes, don't do anything that leads to identical maps that all have the same crappy music and sh*t recycled enemies", this will be fine.

[Oxtail Soup]

I wouldn't trust BW to tell the truth anymore. They told us ME3 would have choices at the end that would reflect our decisions. I will not be getting it, simple as that.

Modifié par Oxtail Soup, 27 mai 2012 - 08:37 .