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Drummernate wrote...

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Shield gate?

Salarian Infiltrator needs a word with you...


Can you strip a Centurian's, Geth Pyro's, Hunter's, or Phantom's shield or barrier in one application of Energy Drain on Gold?

I only seem to be able to do so if I spec only for damage and use the highest power booster mod.

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Nereithr wrote...

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Grimy Bunyip wrote...

in terms of infantry, what can the widow do on gold that the black widow cant?


Kill a guardian pretty much no matter where you shoot them.


He prolly meant what can it do which can't be accomplished by the BW/Valiant when those are used properly.

Javelin is all fine and dandy, but it has neither the DPS and shield gate bypass of Kishock nor the 3 headshot capacity of valiant/bw.

he has a good point about the guardian, but that's about it.
aside from guardians(body shot through the shield) and pyros
black widow can single body shot any unshielded infantry
valiant probably c ould do that too if you could get its rank higher.

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Maria Caliban wrote...

Drummernate wrote...

Pho Kadat wrote...

Shield gate?

Salarian Infiltrator needs a word with you...


Can you strip a Centurian's, Geth Pyro's, Hunter's, or Phantom's shield or barrier in one application of Energy Drain on Gold?

I only seem to be able to do so if I spec only for damage and use the highest power booster mod.


Before all of the buffs to enemies it could... I honestly have not used the Salarian since 4/10/12... guess why! :whistle:

Modifié par Drummernate, 27 mai 2012 - 05:07 .


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Grimy Bunyip

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Maria Caliban wrote...

Drummernate wrote...

Pho Kadat wrote...

Shield gate?

Salarian Infiltrator needs a word with you...


Can you strip a Centurian's, Geth Pyro's, Hunter's, or Phantom's shield or barrier in one application of Energy Drain on Gold?

I only seem to be able to do so if I spec only for damage and use the highest power booster mod.

the trick with pyros and hunters is to shoot once with the black widow, then energy drain, then shoot again.
ED pierces shield gate, and unless you headshot you won't fully deplete the shields in the first bullet.

and yes to the centurion, you don't need power amp to do that.
phantoms, i don't think you can 1 shot ED their shields even with power amp 3.
but im not sure on that one.

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Grimy, I've heard something and I know you're the person to ask.

Does the AP mod on the Widow reduce its armor piercing or not?

Grimy Bunyip wrote...

the trick with pyros and hunters is to shoot once with the black widow, then energy drain, then shoot again.
ED pierces shield gate, and unless you headshot you won't fully deplete the shields in the first bullet.

and yes to the centurion, you don't need power amp to do that.
phantoms, i don't think you can 1 shot ED their shields even with power amp 3.
but im not sure on that one.

He was suggesting that a SI with energy drain could bypass shield gate while using a regular Widow. My experience is that this isn't possible for most shielded enemies on Gold.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 27 mai 2012 - 05:09 .


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I didn't actually expect a full out war over this lol

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Maria Caliban wrote...

Grimy, I've heard something and I know you're the person to ask.

Does the AP mod on the Widow reduce its armor piercing or not?

AP mod reduces the amount of damage you deal after you pierce an object.
Whereas the if you don't get the AP mod and you pierce a target with the widow, you deal full damage.

same goes for if you use AP ammo without an AP mod, or with any other guns with natural piercing.

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Totally agree.  And I always love to see those that say false, or shield gate, or 3 shots, or blah blah blah, yet swearing on my life, my soul, my kids, I have NEVER been outdone by a Black widow or Valiant yet.  Not yet.  By anyone, of any level, of any weapon level. 

Until I am, by anyone, I consider their objections to be just adorable.

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Grimy Bunyip wrote...

AP mod reduces the amount of damage you deal after you pierce an object.
Whereas the if you don't get the AP mod and you pierce a target with the widow, you deal full damage.

same goes for if you use AP ammo without an AP mod, or with any other guns with natural piercing.


I'm not talking about piercing an object.

There's a ravager. I have a Widow with the AP Mod and the Widow without the AP Mod. The one with the AP Mod will do more damage, right?

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Drummernate wrote...

Pho Kadat wrote...

Drummernate wrote...

Pho Kadat wrote...

Shield gate?


Salarian Infiltrator needs a word with you...


Oh, and here I thought we were talking about a generalized sniper, not a specific one. I suppose Human, Geth, and Quarians can't be real snipers. Pity.


The Geth Infiltrator can 2 shot Primes....

He's a manly man's Infiltrator.

Only manly men from the manliest place of all of manlidom use them. :lol:

(Unless... of course a girl uses them.)


Duly noted the the GI is a manly man's infiltrator, however still cannot be a real sniper by the definition crafted in this thread, unless we're only talking about non-shielded foes.

Modifié par Pho Kadat, 27 mai 2012 - 05:15 .


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IAMREALITY wrote...

Totally agree.  And I always love to see those that say false, or shield gate, or 3 shots, or blah blah blah, yet swearing on my life, my soul, my kids, I have NEVER been outdone by a Black widow or Valiant yet.  Not yet.  By anyone, of any level, of any weapon level. 

Until I am, by anyone, I consider their objections to be just adorable.


I imagine them as kittens with big adorable eyes with Black Widow's as the pupil slits.... :?

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IAMREALITY wrote...

Totally agree.  And I always love to see those that say false, or shield gate, or 3 shots, or blah blah blah, yet swearing on my life, my soul, my kids, I have NEVER been outdone by a Black widow or Valiant yet.  Not yet.  By anyone, of any level, of any weapon level. 

Until I am, by anyone, I consider their objections to be just adorable.


Yes! :D

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Maria Caliban wrote...

Grimy Bunyip wrote...

AP mod reduces the amount of damage you deal after you pierce an object.
Whereas the if you don't get the AP mod and you pierce a target with the widow, you deal full damage.

same goes for if you use AP ammo without an AP mod, or with any other guns with natural piercing.


I'm not talking about piercing an object.

There's a ravager. I have a Widow with the AP Mod and the Widow without the AP Mod. The one with the AP Mod will do more damage, right?


Correct.

The only thing that it decreases damage to is the Atlas canopy.

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Proxy mine works well with single shot rifles.

GI specced for full dmg proxy mine + javi can't go wrong.

Take that back I'm sure someone will go wrong with that setup

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Since time i opened BW I i forgot about my Widow X forever. Widow is good for players who mostly shot in body, so while using Salarian infinator (for example) they going to enjoy it. Its really cool for heavy enemies aswell, but still only one shot and you havent point to mistaken this shot if you want to be alive in critical situation :)

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Trae ThaThruth wrote...

Proxy mine works well with single shot rifles.

GI specced for full dmg proxy mine + javi can't go wrong.

Take that back I'm sure someone will go wrong with that setup


"I will now use my jav to take out cannibals and marauders while ignoring brutes and ravagers!"

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FuN DreeMax wrote...

Since time i opened BW I i forgot about my Widow X forever. Widow is good for players who mostly shot in body, so while using Salarian infinator (for example) they going to enjoy it. Its really cool for heavy enemies aswell, but still only one shot and you havent point to mistaken this shot if you want to be alive in critical situation :)

Like I said real snipers only need one shot, clearly if you miss in a critical situation guess what you aren't?
Answer: A real sniper

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IAMREALITY wrote...

Totally agree.  And I always love to see those that say false, or shield gate, or 3 shots, or blah blah blah, yet swearing on my life, my soul, my kids, I have NEVER been outdone by a Black widow or Valiant yet.  Not yet.  By anyone, of any level, of any weapon level. 

Until I am, by anyone, I consider their objections to be just adorable.

if I had a penny for every time someone's claimed that they've never been beaten in score lol.
The thing is most of the good players who frequent the BSN all know of each other.
But I've never heard of you, just what kind of people are you comparing yourself to when you say you've never been beaten in score?

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Lol what you need to aim at the head even more with a single shot then a multi round clip SR. since you only have 1 round in the chamber you have to make it count aiming anywhere other then head to chest zone is dumb unless your playing bronze

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Lol @ Maria I could see that happening

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Grimy Bunyip wrote...

The thing is most of the good players who frequent the BSN all know of each other.


Not many know my secret alter ego of the non-trolling, polite, care-free gamer...

I have only played with about...... 11 people from BSN so far.

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The funny thing is to anyone who knows my Mass Effect play style they'll tell you I actually don't use the Widow or BW, it's all about my Javelin lll :D

I just wanted to settle this age old debate

Modifié par BlessTheFall812, 27 mai 2012 - 05:23 .


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Drummernate wrote...

Grimy Bunyip wrote...

The thing is most of the good players who frequent the BSN all know of each other.


Not many know my secret alter ego of the non-trolling, polite, care-free gamer...

I have only played with about...... 11 people from BSN so far.

that's what you get for being a dirty console gaming peasant <3

BlessTheFall812 wrote...

The funny thing is to anyone who
knows my Mass Effect play style they'll tell you I actually don't use
the Widow or BW, it's all about my Javelin lll :D

I just wanted to settle this age old debate

find someone on the pc who use a widow and beat me when i'm using the black widow then :D
I love challenges, it's so much more fun than the grind of normal gold games.

Modifié par Grimy Bunyip, 27 mai 2012 - 05:27 .


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Funny thing is that once or twice I've outperformed someone using a Widow/Black Widow... with my Mantis XD. Most weapons are good if you can use them properly... But there are some, exceptions... (See: Eagle)

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BlessTheFall812 wrote...

Like I said real snipers only need one shot, clearly if you miss in a critical situation guess what you aren't?
Answer: A real sniper


>Real sniper need only one shot in HEAD< - which you actually cant do with most of enemies in Gold matches having Widow. I told about Salarian as example but looking for other infinators - Quarian, Human ect, how much enemies you going to KILL (not just shot once to make damage) with Widow?
BW is totaly another story - you killing enemy fast with 2 shots and hurt another enemy (mostly down his shields), so while you reload your gun for second time we going to have something like this:
BW - 3 shielded enemies down.
Widow - yeah i kill one shielded enemy.
For unshielded enemies its even better example (same 2 reloads):
BW - 6 enemies.
Widow - 2 enemies.
Remind you what both rifles can shot thru targets, so dont need to say Widow can kill 3 enemies in one shot (same as BW).