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[Relix28]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

2 different guns for 2 different enemy types.
Black Widow is anti-infantry, Widow is anti-material (boss)

Except, bosses go down faster with the BW as well.

www.youtube.com/watch Here's a good comparison vid of BW vs. Javelin. The Widow would most likely take the same amount of cloak cylcles as the Javelin did. Or maybe even more, and definitelly not less.

[Xx_Belzak_xX]

And the N7 Valiant beats them both.

[Aiyie]

BlessTheFall812 wrote...

 Widow wins cause real snipers only need 1 shot.

per enemy... or maybe per two.

kinda nice to have more than 1 shot available when you got 3 or 4 baddies in your scope though.

[DarkerCompanion]

Ravenmyste wrote...

javelin vrs blackwidow+widow=javelin winning over all, one shot three or four kills depending on how you set up and load out

there you go every test  has been invalidated due to javelin is the real sniper rifle

This is the worst science I have ever seen.

[IAMREALITY]

Terraflare wrote...

See this is why all the "GIs are OP!!!" and "INFILTRATORS ARE OP" threads are stupid.

Because there are still fools thinking that a widow > BW.

What's worse is that there are mental midgets still thinking the inverse is true.

You on Xbox?

[mrcanada]

Drummernate wrote...

BlessTheFall812 wrote...

 Widow wins cause real snipers only need 1 shot.

Quoted for truth.

Although real snipers use the Javelin....

I can kill two to three for every one you do.  You can't keep up.  Widow is nice, but it isn't in the conversation, I'm sorry.  Valiant and Black Widow.

[dsprado956]

I've always preferred a bolt-action sniper rifle over the rest of the other sniper rifles. Spent a lot of time with my Mantis X before I was able to grab the Widow and the Black Widow. I was so used to having to reload after every shot that I was unable to adjust to the Black Widow. I've seen a players who are good at using the BW/Valiant etc. But I love my Widow

[DarkerCompanion]

dsprado956 wrote...

I've always preferred a bolt-action sniper rifle over the rest of the other sniper rifles. Spent a lot of time with my Mantis X before I was able to grab the Widow and the Black Widow. I was so used to having to reload after every shot that I was unable to adjust to the Black Widow. I've seen a players who are good at using the BW/Valiant etc. But I love my Widow

Theoretically, I prefer the Widow and the Javelin. I tried to stand by this policy. Unfortunately, Shield Gating ruins their potential. Honestly, if it weren't for the 100% Shield Gate on Gold, I bet this discussion wouldn't be happening. Nothing worse than having the potential to do 7 bars of Shield/Armor damage on a Prime, but only doing 1 because he only had 1 shield bar left. Meanwhile, the BW will do 2-3 per shot, and because of this, will do 1 on the first shot, then about 5 more in the next two shots.

[Vash690x]

filetemo wrote...

for bodyshots, the widow is better. it kills in one shot what the BW kills in 3, at least on gold. I'm not a headshooter, I lack skill and aim. So I score higher with the widow.

 


Uhm... Tactical Cloak+BW will 1 bodyshot any human sized enemy with no shields/barriers (btw, that includes Phantoms). And with roughly 2.5 sec. of after cloak effect, you can essentially kill 3 enemies that are grouped up (not conveniently standing in a line) in 1 cloak cycle with the BW, if you are decently fast enough. It's totally doable. 


Anything the Widow can do, the BW can typically do faster and likely more efficiently/reliably, thanks to shield gate mechanics. And seriously, if you say otherwise, then maybe you need to get out of bronze/silver and play some gold matches with some decently skilled players (preferably who are close in skill to you). 


I wish is wasn't true, cause it pretty much takes away from the high powered single shot sniper rifles, but it is what it is...

Modifié par Vash690x, 27 mai 2012 - 04:41 .

[Immortal Strife]

This is a stupid conversation.  All three snipers are great snipers and one should not be considered better then the other. In reality sniper selection should be based on build and preference.

Modifié par Immortal Strife, 27 mai 2012 - 04:56 .

[Drummernate]

mrcanada wrote...

Drummernate wrote...

BlessTheFall812 wrote...

 Widow wins cause real snipers only need 1 shot.

Quoted for truth.

Although real snipers use the Javelin....

I can kill two to three for every one you do.  You can't keep up.  Widow is nice, but it isn't in the conversation, I'm sorry.  Valiant and Black Widow.

You can try.... but typically I can line up and get a double headshot every time they spawn versus Cerberus and Reapers. Geth pose a problem with smaller heads, but I can get a quadruple bodyshot on them just the same. Not to mention that I can reload cancel and fire at almost the exact same speed as you, and I am an excellent quickscoper so I hardly have to aim.

Terraflare wrote...

The trouble with this statement is that the widow cant clear trash for nuts.

Yet the BW can kill bosses faster than a Widow.

Just go look at Spectre's comparison between a Javelin (very simliar to the widow) vs BW killing time on bosses. 
Even
if you are reload cancelling for 2 shots every cycle (messes up cloak
timing a little), the BW still takes a boss down faster than a widow
can. 

Single shots are really only good in small crampy maps
against reapers where you have little time to hardscope and fire 3 shots
off per cycle.

Too bad he was reload glitching with the Black Widow, but not the Javelin... Biased people are biased. I can tell you that if you are any good at reload cancelling then you will beat a Black Widow at taking down bosses every time. (Proper cancelling will put your RoF only about .3 seconds slower than a Black Widow)

Don't give me the whole "Oh you will do so much less damage and you will miss the cloak cycle!!!!" because both of those are wrong. The Javelin will still do 1150+ damage & the cloak should be ready like .1 seconds after you are done with the second shot.... IF you are doing it right.

Modifié par Drummernate, 27 mai 2012 - 04:57 .

[rtwebre]

And real snipers need a spotter. <_<www.nationalguard.mil/news/archives/2009/12/images/120209-Shooters-full.jpg

Modifié par rtwebre, 27 mai 2012 - 05:09 .

[zerozen00]

rtwebre wrote...

And real snipers need a spotter. <_<

^This. Also need to account for windage and drop. Coming from the world of videogames, it took me a while to get accustomed to real life phisics with real life weapons...

/zen

[toastar]

Drummernate wrote...You can try.... but typically I can line up and get a double headshot every time they spawn versus Cerberus and Reapers. Geth pose a problem with smaller heads, but I can get a quadruple bodyshot on them just the same. Not to mention that I can reload cancel and fire at almost the exact same speed as you, and I am an excellent quickscoper so I hardly have to aim.

Remind me, what's the point of headshooting things on Gold with a widow?

To shoot someone dead-er?


And your manifest shows you don't have a BW, yet you feel confident whatever you have is better?

I won't argue for or against the Valiant, as I don't have it, it may rock my socks off, it may not.

But on the discussion of Widow/Black Widow I will tell you that I would never trade my BW V for a Widow X, come boss come critter.

I'd rather take a Mantis and spam drain on a SI than a Widow, to be frank.

Modifié par toastar, 27 mai 2012 - 05:18 .

[Clearly Balkan]

No, it doesn't.

[Relix28]

Drummernate wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

Drummernate wrote...

BlessTheFall812 wrote...

 Widow wins cause real snipers only need 1 shot.

Quoted for truth.

Although real snipers use the Javelin....

I can kill two to three for every one you do.  You can't keep up.  Widow is nice, but it isn't in the conversation, I'm sorry.  Valiant and Black Widow.

You can try.... but typically I can line up and get a double headshot every time they spawn versus Cerberus and Reapers. Geth pose a problem with smaller heads, but I can get a quadruple bodyshot on them just the same. Not to mention that I can reload cancel and fire at almost the exact same speed as you, and I am an excellent quickscoper so I hardly have to aim.

Terraflare wrote...

The trouble with this statement is that the widow cant clear trash for nuts.

Yet the BW can kill bosses faster than a Widow.

Just go look at Spectre's comparison between a Javelin (very simliar to the widow) vs BW killing time on bosses. 
Even
if you are reload cancelling for 2 shots every cycle (messes up cloak
timing a little), the BW still takes a boss down faster than a widow
can. 

Single shots are really only good in small crampy maps
against reapers where you have little time to hardscope and fire 3 shots
off per cycle.

Too bad he was reload glitching with the Black Widow, but not the Javelin... Biased people are biased. I can tell you that if you are any good at reload cancelling then you will beat a Black Widow at taking down bosses every time. (Proper cancelling will put your RoF only about .3 seconds slower than a Black Widow)

Don't give me the whole "Oh you will do so much less damage and you will miss the cloak cycle!!!!" because both of those are wrong. The Javelin will still do 1150+ damage & the cloak should be ready like .1 seconds after you are done with the second shot.... IF you are doing it right.

First of all, it's called reload canceling, not glitching. And he wasn't realod canceling with the Javelin, since it would delay further cloak cyles, thus lowering overall DPS. He explained this very thing in the comments below his yt vid. www.youtube.com/watch (read the two comments on the top)


Also, I'd like to see you prove your constant double headshoting and quadruple geth slaying skills with the Widow. Personally, I think you're full of baloney, but, if you'd like to prove me wrong, I would gladly play a match with you, just to see that incredible self-proclaimed sniping skill at work. And while we are at it, we can also test out, wich of the two weapons can take out an atlas/brute/prime faster. Your (reload glitching) Widow X vs. my Black Widow VII. What say you? You up for a match?


Also, lol.

Modifié par Relix28, 27 mai 2012 - 06:31 .

[Immortal Strife]

That you tube vid is stupid because the way he is using the two guns is not correct. Just firing a Javelin while cloaked does not maximize the damage. He should have used a power on both then fired or just used a power on the javelin. Obviously a black widow firing with cloak will beat out the Javelin while only cloak firing due to the two extra BW shots getting added cloak damage.  In that vid the Javelin is not receiving the full 140% cloak damage while two of the 3 black widow shot are.

Modifié par Immortal Strife, 27 mai 2012 - 06:43 .

[Grimy Bunyip]

Immortal Strife wrote...

That you tube vid is stupid because the way he is using the two guns is not correct. Just firing a Javelin while cloaked does not maximize the damage. He should have used a power on both then fired or just used a power on the javelin.

It wouldn't have made a substantial difference.
he would have fired 1 ability every ~4 seconds regardless of whether he used a black widow or a javelin.

[toastar]

Immortal Strife wrote...

That you tube vid is stupid because the way he is using the two guns is not correct.  

He points at the target and shoots.

Call me old fashioned, but I think that is correct.

[Immortal Strife]

toastar wrote...

Immortal Strife wrote...

That you tube vid is stupid because the way he is using the two guns is not correct.  

He points at the target and shoots.

Call me old fashioned, but I think that is correct.

On single fire snipers you want to break cloak to receive the highest spike damage.

[mikepaul]

toastar wrote...
Remind me, what's the point of headshooting things on Gold with a widow?

To shoot someone dead-er?

I hate to use lowly Bronze examples from my Geth Engineer to respond, but I gave up on the Black Widow when I was putting three into the chest of low-level Geth and they kept walking at me.  Not winging them, dead-smack-on chest shots.  That lack of killing combined with the huge hit on my powers just having a BW I left me open to a suggestion to try the Valiant I.  It's lighter, reloads WAY quicker, and with the penetration mod I've drilled two Geth with one shot.  More my kind of weapon.

Why no magic with the BW?  I don't know.  Other characters might have better perks that enhance the shots.  Whatever it is, aiming for the head might compensate for that, and should be encouraged.  If I ever get really good at headshots, I'll stop switching to the Geth SMG when I start walking around...

[Hanko21]

Pho Kadat wrote...

Shield gate?

What OP means is he never shoot enemies with shield if he play on gold.

He also take cover most of the game to wait for his team mates to strip shield off of the enemies so he can take a 1 shot kill.

Thats why you only need 1 bullet to kill an enemy.

I could do the same with a black widow, needing just 1 bullet.

Edit: op doesn't have a black widow.

Modifié par Hanko21, 27 mai 2012 - 06:56 .

[IAMREALITY]

Hanko21 wrote...

Pho Kadat wrote...

Shield gate?

What OP means is he never shoot enemies with shield if he play on gold.

He also take cover most of the game to wait for his team mates to strip shield off of the enemies so he can take a 1 shot kill.

Thats why you only need 1 bullet to kill an enemy.

I could do the same with a black widow, needing just 1 bullet.

Pretty sure the OP ain't sittin there waitin around fool.

Modifié par IAMREALITY, 27 mai 2012 - 06:56 .

[guitarsniper]

Incisor, because to prove your skill you need to use the worst weapon.

[toastar]

Immortal Strife wrote...

On single fire snipers you want to break cloak to receive the highest spike damage.

First time I ever heard that, any sources about the difference, because I have my doubts...