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[I will frag you]

Black widow wins, because real snipers get headshots.

[mpompeo27]

I'll take a Valiant over both of them.

[OblivionDawn]

Actually the gun that lets you get more headshots in less time wins.

So the Black Widow/Valiant wins.

[Blissey1]

why does a joke thread like this have 7 pages?

[Drummernate]

Relix28 wrote...

Drummernate wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

Drummernate wrote...

BlessTheFall812 wrote...

 Widow wins cause real snipers only need 1 shot.

Quoted for truth.

Although real snipers use the Javelin....

I can kill two to three for every one you do.  You can't keep up.  Widow is nice, but it isn't in the conversation, I'm sorry.  Valiant and Black Widow.

You can try.... but typically I can line up and get a double headshot every time they spawn versus Cerberus and Reapers. Geth pose a problem with smaller heads, but I can get a quadruple bodyshot on them just the same. Not to mention that I can reload cancel and fire at almost the exact same speed as you, and I am an excellent quickscoper so I hardly have to aim.

Terraflare wrote...

The trouble with this statement is that the widow cant clear trash for nuts.

Yet the BW can kill bosses faster than a Widow.

Just go look at Spectre's comparison between a Javelin (very simliar to the widow) vs BW killing time on bosses. 
Even
if you are reload cancelling for 2 shots every cycle (messes up cloak
timing a little), the BW still takes a boss down faster than a widow
can. 

Single shots are really only good in small crampy maps
against reapers where you have little time to hardscope and fire 3 shots
off per cycle.

Too bad he was reload glitching with the Black Widow, but not the Javelin... Biased people are biased. I can tell you that if you are any good at reload cancelling then you will beat a Black Widow at taking down bosses every time. (Proper cancelling will put your RoF only about .3 seconds slower than a Black Widow)

Don't give me the whole "Oh you will do so much less damage and you will miss the cloak cycle!!!!" because both of those are wrong. The Javelin will still do 1150+ damage & the cloak should be ready like .1 seconds after you are done with the second shot.... IF you are doing it right.

First of all, it's called reload canceling, not glitching. And he wasn't realod canceling with the Javelin, since it would delay further cloak cyles, thus lowering overall DPS. He explained this very thing in the comments below his yt vid. www.youtube.com/watch (read the two comments on the top)


Also, I'd like to see you prove your constant double headshoting and quadruple geth slaying skills with the Widow. Personally, I think you're full of baloney, but, if you'd like to prove me wrong, I would gladly play a match with you, just to see that incredible self-proclaimed sniping skill at work. And while we are at it, we can also test out, wich of the two weapons can take out an atlas/brute/prime faster. Your (reload glitching) Widow X vs. my Black Widow VII. What say you? You up for a match?


Also, lol.

First of all, it can be called either glitching or cancelling (I called it both in the same reply... so IDK why you got so upset over it...)

OBVIOUSLY you did not even read my reply. I stated clearly that cancelling reload with the Javelin will in fact NOT delay your cloak cycle hardly at all. Which leads me to question if you even know how to use it properly...

When did I say I use the Widow?!??....

I hate the Widow with a passion.

I only use the Javelin.

Sorry, but I only play with people that know how to read replies...

Modifié par Drummernate, 27 mai 2012 - 07:27 .

[Ashen One]

The Javelin at high levels is amazing on a GI. I think the weight on my Javelin VI brings my GI down to -26%, but I get a 20% recharge bonus from HM so -6%. I get 21 shots with the spare clip mod, and I can kill most bosses in seconds.

Not to mention, I can see enemies through tactical cloak, and smoke from a greater distance than I would have gotten from HM, and can use HM to reliably shoot enemies through cover that may have otherwise gone unnoticed.

Modifié par Ashen Earth, 27 mai 2012 - 07:31 .

[Hypertion]

Kishock is able to do FAR more damage thanks to the charge abilty and can also ignore shield gate and do more additonal damage on headshots. the kishock can do more damage than the Jav when charged.

Also BW 3 is still better than my Widow X and my Valiant I beats my BW3.

all because i can get one hit one kill on my BW3 or V1 and move on to 2 more one shot kills.


And finally Jav is a Beast far Above the Widow.

Modifié par Hypertion, 27 mai 2012 - 07:31 .

[toastar]

Dummerante wrote...

So lets recap, you don't use the widow, don't have the BW, but feel compelled to utter your conclusions regarding both.

Shieldgate still gets you on any single shot, unless you drain, if you drain, a Mantis is probably the best for headshooters as it allows you to drain more.

Modifié par toastar, 27 mai 2012 - 07:32 .

[Drummernate]

toastar wrote...

Dummerante wrote...

So lets recap, you don't use the widow, don't have the BW, but feel compelled to utter your conclusions regarding both.

I do use the Widow sometimes but I hate it compared to the Javelin.

[toastar]

Because they play that differently...

[Drummernate]

toastar wrote...

Dummerante wrote...

So lets recap, you don't use the widow, don't have the BW, but feel compelled to utter your conclusions regarding both.

Shieldgate still gets you on any single shot, unless you drain, if you drain, a Mantis is probably the best for headshooters as it allows you to drain more.

Incorrect again.

Cloaking and then firing off a power makes you still have the 3 second cooldown.

Do you guys even use the infiltrators??? Seriously... if you do then you have almost no knowledge on how to use them effectively.

[VRtheTrooper]

Salarian inf. w/ valiant.

problem solved

[Immortal Strife]

I've said this a million times and I'll say it again, there is no best sniper it depends on build and preference.

[Relix28]

Drummernate wrote...

Relix28 wrote...

Drummernate wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

Drummernate wrote...

BlessTheFall812 wrote...

 Widow wins cause real snipers only need 1 shot.

Quoted for truth.

Although real snipers use the Javelin....

I can kill two to three for every one you do.  You can't keep up.  Widow is nice, but it isn't in the conversation, I'm sorry.  Valiant and Black Widow.

You can try.... but typically I can line up and get a double headshot every time they spawn versus Cerberus and Reapers. Geth pose a problem with smaller heads, but I can get a quadruple bodyshot on them just the same. Not to mention that I can reload cancel and fire at almost the exact same speed as you, and I am an excellent quickscoper so I hardly have to aim.

Terraflare wrote...

The trouble with this statement is that the widow cant clear trash for nuts.

Yet the BW can kill bosses faster than a Widow.

Just go look at Spectre's comparison between a Javelin (very simliar to the widow) vs BW killing time on bosses. 
Even
if you are reload cancelling for 2 shots every cycle (messes up cloak
timing a little), the BW still takes a boss down faster than a widow
can. 

Single shots are really only good in small crampy maps
against reapers where you have little time to hardscope and fire 3 shots
off per cycle.

Too bad he was reload glitching with the Black Widow, but not the Javelin... Biased people are biased. I can tell you that if you are any good at reload cancelling then you will beat a Black Widow at taking down bosses every time. (Proper cancelling will put your RoF only about .3 seconds slower than a Black Widow)

Don't give me the whole "Oh you will do so much less damage and you will miss the cloak cycle!!!!" because both of those are wrong. The Javelin will still do 1150+ damage & the cloak should be ready like .1 seconds after you are done with the second shot.... IF you are doing it right.

First of all, it's called reload canceling, not glitching. And he wasn't realod canceling with the Javelin, since it would delay further cloak cyles, thus lowering overall DPS. He explained this very thing in the comments below his yt vid. www.youtube.com/watch (read the two comments on the top)


Also, I'd like to see you prove your constant double headshoting and quadruple geth slaying skills with the Widow. Personally, I think you're full of baloney, but, if you'd like to prove me wrong, I would gladly play a match with you, just to see that incredible self-proclaimed sniping skill at work. And while we are at it, we can also test out, wich of the two weapons can take out an atlas/brute/prime faster. Your (reload glitching) Widow X vs. my Black Widow VII. What say you? You up for a match?


Also, lol.

First of all, it can be called either glitching or cancelling (I called it both in the same reply... so IDK why you got so upset over it...)

OBVIOUSLY you did not even read my reply. I stated clearly that cancelling reload with the Javelin will in fact NOT delay your cloak cycle hardly at all. Which leads me to question if you even know how to use it properly...

When did I say I use the Widow?!??....

I hate the Widow with a passion.

I only use the Javelin.

Sorry, but I only play with people that know how to read replies...

I appologize for messing up the Javelin with the Widow. My bad.

I still think you're full of baloney, and the offer still stands.

Modifié par Relix28, 27 mai 2012 - 08:09 .

[Ledgend1221]

GI with Melee is how real snipers do it!

[xabkish]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

GI with Melee is how real snipers do it!

Yeah, just poke them with those Kishok harpoons in melee.

[toastar]

Drummernate wrote...

Incorrect again.

Cloaking and then firing off a power makes you still have the 3 second cooldown.
 

 


3 Sec is minimum, not maximum.

Say you ran around for a bit under cloak, or carry a b.f.shotgun on top of your Mantis, or shoot critters out of cloaking cycle because, well, you're a headshot merchant.
But surely, a master infiltrator like you knows that.

Drummernate wrote...


Do you guys even use the infiltrators??? Seriously... if you do then you have almost no knowledge on how to use them effectively.
..
 

 

Says the guy who has neither adressed shield gate nor useless overkill properly and has no basis to compare the heavy one-shots with the heavy multishots since he has not unlocked the latter ones (I'm not bashing your bad luck, just your rash judgement).


And I think you're nowhere near as good as you think you are.

Modifié par toastar, 27 mai 2012 - 08:30 .

[VRtheTrooper]

Immortal Strife wrote...

I've said this a million times and I'll say it again, there is no best sniper it depends on build and preference.

+1

[Blind2Society]

Drummernate wrote...

Pho Kadat wrote...

Shield gate?

Salarian Infiltrator needs a word with you...

A salarian couldn't shoot either widow, it would rip their little arm off at the shoulder.

[VRtheTrooper]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

GI with Melee is how real snipers do it!

GI + Javelin + melee buffs = unstoppable. 

tested and approved:police:

[Babbylonian]

Most dangerous argument ever...

Sniper 1: "I can kill an Atlas in 4 shots!"
Sniper 2: "I can kill an Atlas in 3 shots and 2 seconds faster!"
Sniper 3: "I two-shotted 3 Atlases in one wave last night!"
Bioware Dev: "Hmmm...Either sniper rilfes are too powerful or Atlases aren't powerful enough."

[IAMREALITY]

toastar wrote...

Drummernate wrote...

Incorrect again.

Cloaking and then firing off a power makes you still have the 3 second cooldown.
 

 


3 Sec is minimum, not maximum.

Say you ran around for a bit under cloak, or carry a b.f.shotgun on top of your Mantis, or shoot critters out of cloaking cycle because, well, you're a headshot merchant.
But surely, a master infiltrator like you knows that.

Drummernate wrote...


Do you guys even use the infiltrators??? Seriously... if you do then you have almost no knowledge on how to use them effectively.
..
 

 

Says the guy who has neither adressed shield gate nor useless overkill properly and has no basis to compare the heavy one-shots with the heavy multishots since he has not unlocked the latter ones (I'm not bashing your bad luck, just your rash judgement).


And I think you're nowhere near as good as you think you are.

You recommend using the Mantis over the Widow, and you think you're worthy of being taken seriously? :lol::lol:

Let me ask.  Are you on Xbox?

Modifié par IAMREALITY, 27 mai 2012 - 09:25 .

[DarkerCompanion]

IAMREALITY wrote...

You recommend using the Mantis over the Widow, and you think you're worthy of being taken seriously? :lol::lol:

Let me ask.  Are you on Xbox?

Out of curiousity, is there something bad about being on the Xbox? If so, please share.

[Blind2Society]

DarkerCompanion wrote...

Out of curiousity, is there something bad about being on the Xbox? If so, please share.

Yeah, it's a console.

[DarkerCompanion]

Blind2Society wrote...

Yeah, it's a console.

And the problem there is . . . ?