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[Dendio1]

The deeper the rabbit holes goes....

Human, you cannot comprehend.....

Modifié par Dendio1, 27 mai 2012 - 06:01 .

[Cheezer]

How do you figure that?
Either Cerberus forces fight systems alliance troops and take planets over and all that, they are insane. TIM and his people think they're fighting the reapers but they can't actually see that they're falling under the reapers sway. The thing on sanctuary was different, as Cerberus personnel don't actually realize their indoctrinated, they still will engage reaper forces and look for ways to gain the upper hand on what they still believe is their enemy.

Or Cerberus troops aren't reaper indocs but still are trying to come out on top of the galaxy, leading them to try to pound sheperds ass.

Oh and if they're not indoc'ed why does the prothean VI detect Kai Lang but not shep?

[Catamantaloedis]

arial wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

2. Since it has become common knowledge that Shepard is indoctrinated, then why would he be fighting Cerberus? logic dictates that the indoctrinated would be working together, not killing each other.

it is not common Knowledge, its a Conspiracy theory, like Area 51, bush ordering 9/11, and and the Kennedy Assassination

No. There's too much evidence for it. I tried my damnedest to dismiss the IT but it's true. No one however has realized the last essential truth of the theory is that the Illusive Man and Cerberus were never indoctrinated.

[sistersafetypin]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

sistersafetypin wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

1. It's stated, numerous times, that the Reapers attacked Sanctuary because they knew Henry Lawson found a way to control them.

Exactly Cerberus can't be indoctrinated if they can control the Reapers. Hence, the Reapers attack Sanctuary because they have risen beyond indoctrination.

Henry Lawson isn't Cerberus. He's Henry Lawson and TiM was indoctrinated. He even implanted MORE Reaper tech into his body. How is it possible, you believe IT and thus that Shepard was indoctrinated.... And yet you think the obviously indoctrinated Mr. Illusive to be the perfect face of sanity.
I mean, he tells the reapers what the catalyst is for crying out loud

He's working with Cernerus. And together they have made indoctrination void. You however have fallen victim indoctrination as explained by the IT.

So it's that kind of party? Where everything outlined in IT is suddenly fact and anyone who doesn't agree is, indoctrinated? 

F_ck, why doesn't this forum have an eyeroll emoticon? 

[JyrikGauldy]

You should really think before posting, all of your arguments are invalid

[arial]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

arial wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

2. Since it has become common knowledge that Shepard is indoctrinated, then why would he be fighting Cerberus? logic dictates that the indoctrinated would be working together, not killing each other.

it is not common Knowledge, its a Conspiracy theory, like Area 51, bush ordering 9/11, and and the Kennedy Assassination

No. There's too much evidence for it. I tried my damnedest to dismiss the IT but it's true. No one however has realized the last essential truth of the theory is that the Illusive Man and Cerberus were never indoctrinated.

give me this so called "evidence". Ive debunked it before and ill debunk it again.

[XxDarkTimexX]

JyrikGauldy wrote...

You should really think before posting, all of your arguments are invalid

i no right

[PSjoh]

cerberus, isnt indoctrinated, as far as i know, but some members are.
I didn't think illusive man was indoctrinated until the end, when he clearly was as it started to consume him. (looking back prothean VI did flat out say it)

But just because you indoctrinated doesn't make you a reaper pawn, just more open to their ideas and all. But the illusive was strong, because he became the biggest threat to reapers, while being indoctrinated. he really did find a way to control them, I think thats when they turned on him and did strenghten the Indoctrination.

One thing I don't understand is why do they cause indoctrinated to want to control them? Didn't they think some day a race would pull it off?

[templarfrost]

 0/10

[Sisterofshane]

sistersafetypin wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

sistersafetypin wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

1. It's stated, numerous times, that the Reapers attacked Sanctuary because they knew Henry Lawson found a way to control them.

Exactly Cerberus can't be indoctrinated if they can control the Reapers. Hence, the Reapers attack Sanctuary because they have risen beyond indoctrination.

Henry Lawson isn't Cerberus. He's Henry Lawson and TiM was indoctrinated. He even implanted MORE Reaper tech into his body. How is it possible, you believe IT and thus that Shepard was indoctrinated.... And yet you think the obviously indoctrinated Mr. Illusive to be the perfect face of sanity.
I mean, he tells the reapers what the catalyst is for crying out loud

He's working with Cernerus. And together they have made indoctrination void. You however have fallen victim indoctrination as explained by the IT.

So it's that kind of party? Where everything outlined in IT is suddenly fact and anyone who doesn't agree is, indoctrinated? 

F_ck, why doesn't this forum have an eyeroll emoticon? 

He's just having a hissy fit because he can't even get ME, someone who does not believe in IT, to accept his logic.

[Darth_Trethon]

o Ventus wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Oh look......the BSN's own bridge resident....ain't you the same guy that posted about EDI being an abomination and the Krogan hate thread?

Yeah, it is.

Oh, you were being snide. My apologies.

This guy is trolling so hard it's hilarious.....it's just about impossible to have any rational discussion because you know exactly he's not perceptive to reason and facts......hell he's just about guaranteed to post whatever he thinks will get on most people's nerves......except he's so obvious it's actually hilarious.

[arial]

Catamantaloedis wrote...


3. If Cerberus is indoctrinated, then explain how the Catalyst confirms that, yes, the Reapers can be controlled? Thus confirming Cerberus' suspicions?

the Catalysts words were "Yes, but he could not Control us, for we already controled him". further proveing TIM was Indoctrinated

[Ticonderoga117]

Indoctrinated. Not indoctrinated. Doesn't matter, still want to see Cerberus burn to the ground. Tali let me borrow an incendiary grenade and I'm itching to use it.

[Sisterofshane]

PSjoh wrote...

cerberus, isnt indoctrinated, as far as i know, but some members are.
I didn't think illusive man was indoctrinated until the end, when he clearly was as it started to consume him. (looking back prothean VI did flat out say it)

But just because you indoctrinated doesn't make you a reaper pawn, just more open to their ideas and all. But the illusive was strong, because he became the biggest threat to reapers, while being indoctrinated. he really did find a way to control them, I think thats when they turned on him and did strenghten the Indoctrination.

One thing I don't understand is why do they cause indoctrinated to want to control them? Didn't they think some day a race would pull it off?

Vendetta explains that the same thing happened in the Prothean cycle, specifically to certain scientists working on the Prothean Crucible.  The Reapers indoctrinated some of them to believe that they should control the Reapers, while the other continued to believe that they should destroy the Reapers. The in fighting essentially sabotaged the project.

[Catamantaloedis]

arial wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...


3. If Cerberus is indoctrinated, then explain how the Catalyst confirms that, yes, the Reapers can be controlled? Thus confirming Cerberus' suspicions?

the Catalysts words were "Yes, but he could not Control us, for we already controled him". further proveing TIM was Indoctrinated

Shepard is indoctrinated at that point, and everything the catalyst says is suspect. You can't trust the leader of the Reapers. It will tell Shepard whatever is necessary to complete its goals.

[Cadeym]

1. The cerberus "soldiers" are indoctrinated in some way, but due to whatever mumbo jumbo they don't follow reaper protocols. TIM probably wasn't indoctrinated enough or didn't have those upgrades untill after the mission on sanctum. It wasn't untill after that mission that he got the idea that telling the reapers about Shepard's plans was a good idea.

2. Why is it common knowledge that Shepard is indoctrinated? for it to be common knowledge it would need to be a fact... something that BioWare have yet to confirm.

3. What? did you mean "isn't"??

4. You mean speculations right? because evidence requires the presence of facts.

Modifié par Mouseraider, 27 mai 2012 - 06:10 .

[Catamantaloedis]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Indoctrinated. Not indoctrinated. Doesn't matter, still want to see Cerberus burn to the ground. Tali let me borrow an incendiary grenade and I'm itching to use it.

You are immoral and indoctrinated if you would willingly destroy Cerberus, even though they have the key to defeating the Reapers and establishing human dominance in the galaxy.

[Gen Petitt]

I would say spiderman this thread but no it doesn't deserve that













It needs to be HK-47d

[XxDarkTimexX]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

arial wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...


3. If Cerberus is indoctrinated, then explain how the Catalyst confirms that, yes, the Reapers can be controlled? Thus confirming Cerberus' suspicions?

the Catalysts words were "Yes, but he could not Control us, for we already controled him". further proveing TIM was Indoctrinated

Shepard is indoctrinated at that point, and everything the catalyst says is suspect. You can't trust the leader of the Reapers. It will tell Shepard whatever is necessary to complete its goals.

shepard isn't indoctrinated not yet, but in the last 20mins they are trying not is otherwise the VI would no that shepard is indoctrined

[Inutaisho7996]

Cerberus was indoctrinated by The Illusive Man, not the reapers. Then, The Illusive Man was indoctrinated by the reapers towards the end of 3 by the reaper nanotechnology he though could use to control the reapers.

[Catamantaloedis]

The VIs are unreliable at detecting indoctrination. I'm willing to bet that Shepard was indoctrinated since ME1.

[Catamantaloedis]

Inutaisho7996 wrote...

Cerberus was indoctrinated by The Illusive Man, not the reapers. Then, The Illusive Man was indoctrinated by the reapers towards the end of 3 by the reaper nanotechnology he though could use to control the reapers.

False.

[ediskrad327]

so...how long until Spider-Man shows up?

[Ticonderoga117]

Catamantaloedis wrote...
You are immoral and indoctrinated if you would willingly destroy Cerberus, even though they have the key to defeating the Reapers and establishing human dominance in the galaxy.

They killed my entire unit on Akuze. They are hindering me in destroying the Reapers since they don't actually have jack while I have the Crucible. Oh, and human dominance is a stupid idea. Yeah... still wanna burn down Cerberus and then eat some marshmellows while kicking dead indoctrinated troops.

[Sisterofshane]

Mouseraider wrote...

1. The cerberus "soldiers" are indoctrinated in some way, but due to whatever mumbo jumbo they don't follow reaper protocols. TIM probably wasn't indoctrinated enough or didn't have those upgrades untill after the mission on sanctum. It wasn't untill after that mission that he got the idea that telling the reapers about Shepard's plans was a good idea.

2. Why is it common knowledge that Shepard is indoctrinated? for it to be common knowledge it would need to be a fact... something that BioWare have yet to confirm.

3. What? did you mean "isn't"?

4. You mean speculations, because evidence requier facts which BioWare have yet to confirm.

The experiments at sanctuary were specifically targeting methods that Lawson (and therefore TIM) could directly override Reaper Control signals.  They were doing this with an end goal of eventually applying this to the Reapers themselves, but were having trouble with the logistics.  I interpreted from the story that when TIM implanted himself with Reaper technology, he became indoctrinated to believe that the Crucible would ensure him control of the Reapers.

As far as your other questions, don't expect real answers. The guy is trolling because his flawed logic can't even properly debate IT.