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[thesnake777]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

thesnake777 wrote...

Your right OP cerberus was not indoctrinated. Neither was TIM, he only became indoctrinated sometime after priority Cerberus HQ....

He was never indoctrinated. He was filled with a sober clarity until the bloody end where Shepard either shot him, or attacked his moral doubts until he tragically killed himself.

If he was indoctrinated it was only when he overdid the Implants..but yes he has always been quite rational the entire way through..alot of people point to the Evolution comic as proof that he was indoctrinated..which doesnt make sense becuase he forms Cerberus becuase his dealing with the reapers.

[Catamantaloedis]

Now if we compare the Illusive man to Shepard we can see that one is completely rational, while the other has disturbing dreams, and gullibly believes a child-god in the likeness of an apparition from these dreams. Something is clearly wrong with Shepard, not the Illusive Man.

[Tazzmission]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Tazzmission displays himself as a man of honor and integrity.

i only speak up when i feel people are insulted for no apparent reason

i mean god forbid if you dont share the same view as them they either say your paid by bioware or a butt kisser or ** indoctrinated**


we are going 4 months in and people still  cant catch a clue to let it go

[thesnake777]

Tazzmission wrote...

thesnake777 wrote...

Your right OP cerberus was not indoctrinated. Neither was TIM, he only became indoctrinated sometime after priority Cerberus HQ....

actually cerberus was experimented on not fully 100% indoctrinated

tim however i believe was halfway but not 100% fully because if he was why have the urge to controll reapers if hes under there controll in the first place?


heres another question id love to see someone answer. regarding sancuary do you think they sped up the prosses of indoctrination? because how long does indoctrination take?

I'm just going on the view that everyone else has, if he was indoctrinated it was then, however I dont think he was under their control at all..the only evidence that he was under there control comes from the Reaper kid who is a god damn liar anyway. 

[Sisterofshane]

Tazzmission wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

you know why do you people spam other threads? dont you have your own little place to stay in?

How about you read through the entire thread, and decide who was trolling first.

Because my vote is placed on OP.

or how about you pull your balls out of your purse and realize that it isnt the only answer 

face it you and alot of people are hanging onto something bioware TRIED key word TRIED to accomplish and thats your only hope to cling on because you lose sleep over something stupid like a videogame ending

i did read the thread and you insulted op so dont act like he or she is trolling 


heres your exact statement from the last post on page 2.


The experiments at sanctuary were specifically targeting methods that Lawson (and therefore TIM) could directly override Reaper Control signals.  They were doing this with an end goal of eventually applying this to the Reapers themselves, but were having trouble with the logistics.  I interpreted from the story that when TIM implanted himself with Reaper technology, he became indoctrinated to believe that the Crucible would ensure him control of the Reapers................................................................................................................................................................................................................As far as your other questions, don't expect real answers. The guy is trolling because his flawed logic can't even properly debate IT.
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so because op has a different view on a subject that gives you a right to label him a troll?

in case if your blinded by your heated opinion i underlined the insult for you

dont start throwing the word troll around because i can just easily tell you to go look in a mirrior if you want one that badly

LOL, actually you missed the OTHER thread in which he failed pretty hard to convince me that Shepard wasn't indoctrinated, and I don't even believe in Indoctrination Theory.  His problem was that he was trying to persuade me that the metaphors and interpretations were not there, instead of showing me evidence that the Dev's had never intended it to be interpreted in a metaphorical way (an until that day, every interpretation is as valid as the next).

He did his best to dis me, and then created this thread to satire Indoctrination Theory.  He's flamebaiting.  Did you click on my link I posted on the first page?  He hasn't been back to that thread since he created this one.

So, like I said,  I might be a troll in this thread, but before we get all defensive, perhaps we should see who is trolling first.

[Gen Petitt]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Tazzmission displays himself as a man of honor and integrity.

Wrong

 http://i.qkme.me/3675vo.jpg

This guy has more integrity

[dreman9999]

Everyone put your pitch forks down...He has a point. In a way Cerberus is not in control by the reapers but they are still indoctrinated and are being influence by them. The reapers are using them to attack there enemy but the control got out of hand when cerberus found a way to control them... This is a deception that ended up biting the reapers.

[Catamantaloedis]

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

However to add something
We won't know for certain until the EC will we?
....Be a hell of a plot twist.
A pretty cool one actually.

I think it would be, and it certainly could fit. Shepard was actually indoctrinated and furthered the Reapers agenda. 

It is the ultimate ironic twist, yet so few, if any besides myself, have discovered the truth of the ending.

Modifié par Catamantaloedis, 27 mai 2012 - 06:33 .

[thesnake777]

dreman9999 wrote...

Everyone put your pitch forks down...He has a point. In a way Cerberus is not in control by the reapers but they are still indoctrinated and are being influence by them. The reapers are using them to attack there enemy but the control got out of hand when cerberus found a way to control them... This is a deception that ended up biting the reapers.

I dont know if you can say that they were being influnced by the reapers. Cerberus really just had a different goal in mind and would attack anyone that got in the way.

[C-Sec Officer]

If the OP is right, it could explain why Hackett says a splinter group may be responsible for attacking Benning. I could be wrong, just wanted to add what I thought.

[TheClonesLegacy]

and If I can Add another thing...
Shepard Can Cause Synthesis to occur,
Just saying.

[Catamantaloedis]

C-Sec Officer wrote...

If the OP is right, it could explain why Hackett says a splinter group may be responsible for attacking Benning. I could be wrong, just wanted to add what I thought.

Yes! They were the actual indoctrinated from the ranks of Cerberus.

More proof that Cerberus is not indoctrinated.

[RaenImrahl]

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[dreman9999]

thesnake777 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Everyone put your pitch forks down...He has a point. In a way Cerberus is not in control by the reapers but they are still indoctrinated and are being influence by them. The reapers are using them to attack there enemy but the control got out of hand when cerberus found a way to control them... This is a deception that ended up biting the reapers.

I dont know if you can say that they were being influnced by the reapers. Cerberus really just had a different goal in mind and would attack anyone that got in the way.

Remeber indoctriantion is subtle. Sure, power has always influence them but the quetion is when it went over bored. Nothing says that TIM wasn't push over the very thin edge he walked.  But with that proto reaper near him, it would be so easy for the reapers to do so.

[Catamantaloedis]

RaenImrahl wrote...

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RI

Much obliged.

[thesnake777]

dreman9999 wrote...

thesnake777 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Everyone put your pitch forks down...He has a point. In a way Cerberus is not in control by the reapers but they are still indoctrinated and are being influence by them. The reapers are using them to attack there enemy but the control got out of hand when cerberus found a way to control them... This is a deception that ended up biting the reapers.

I dont know if you can say that they were being influnced by the reapers. Cerberus really just had a different goal in mind and would attack anyone that got in the way.

Remeber indoctriantion is subtle. Sure, power has always influence them but the quetion is when it went over bored. Nothing says that TIM wasn't push over the very thin edge he walked.  But with that proto reaper near him, it would be so easy for the reapers to do so.

Now I agree that Indoc is subtle. But remember Cerberus had Reaper Death squads hounding them, if they were being influnced by Indoc this wouldent have happened.

[Tazzmission]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

C-Sec Officer wrote...

If the OP is right, it could explain why Hackett says a splinter group may be responsible for attacking Benning. I could be wrong, just wanted to add what I thought.

Yes! They were the actual indoctrinated from the ranks of Cerberus.

More proof that Cerberus is not indoctrinated.

even on mars it was stated they were experimenting on there own so i wonder if this happens after me2 because atm the only agent i can really recall in the novels being experimented on was grayson

so maybe the course of the time inbetween me2 and me3 they just started?


i just dont see every member flying cerbrus colors being a husk

Modifié par Tazzmission, 27 mai 2012 - 06:41 .

[dreman9999]

thesnake777 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

thesnake777 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Everyone put your pitch forks down...He has a point. In a way Cerberus is not in control by the reapers but they are still indoctrinated and are being influence by them. The reapers are using them to attack there enemy but the control got out of hand when cerberus found a way to control them... This is a deception that ended up biting the reapers.

I dont know if you can say that they were being influnced by the reapers. Cerberus really just had a different goal in mind and would attack anyone that got in the way.

Remeber indoctriantion is subtle. Sure, power has always influence them but the quetion is when it went over bored. Nothing says that TIM wasn't push over the very thin edge he walked.  But with that proto reaper near him, it would be so easy for the reapers to do so.

Now I agree that Indoc is subtle. But remember Cerberus had Reaper Death squads hounding them, if they were being influnced by Indoc this wouldent have happened.

I'm not saying they were fully indoctrianted. I'm say  they were used as a very subtle tool...The tool just got out of control of the reapers. The reaper may have want to make cerberus make everyone an enemy but lost perspective of control.

[RaenImrahl]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

RaenImrahl wrote...

I have banned four users thus far for violating the site rules by posting image spam. Please stay on topic.

RI

Much obliged.

I would also ask you to change the OP's title so it is in upper and lower case, rather than all caps.

[Sisterofshane]

Tazzmission wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

C-Sec Officer wrote...

If the OP is right, it could explain why Hackett says a splinter group may be responsible for attacking Benning. I could be wrong, just wanted to add what I thought.

Yes! They were the actual indoctrinated from the ranks of Cerberus.

More proof that Cerberus is not indoctrinated.

even on mars it was stated they were experimenting on there own so i wonder if this happens after me2 because atm the only agent i can really recall in the novels being experimented on was grayson

so maybe the course of the time inbetween me2 and me3 they just started?


i just dont see every member flying cerbrus colors being a husk

By this line of thinking, however, Shiala was also never indoctrinated.  She made the whole thing up.

The troops are implanted with Reaper Tech, and TIM overrides the control signals the Reapers send out so that HE is in control of the Troops.  Then TIM makes the mistake of implanting himself with Reaper Tech, and becomes indoctrinated.  It then becomes a case of the blind leading the blind.

[thesnake777]

Tazzmission wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

C-Sec Officer wrote...

If the OP is right, it could explain why Hackett says a splinter group may be responsible for attacking Benning. I could be wrong, just wanted to add what I thought.

Yes! They were the actual indoctrinated from the ranks of Cerberus.

More proof that Cerberus is not indoctrinated.

even on mars it was stated they were experimenting on there own so i wonder if this happens after me2 because atm the only agent i can really recall in the novels being experimented on was grayson

so maybe the course of the time inbetween me2 and me3 they just started?


i just dont see every member flying cerbrus colors being a husk

It most likly started earlier..I find it hard to bealive that it only took 6 months to form the giant army that cerberus had. The process cerberus uses is along the lines of huskfiy people, presumbaly the process keeps a person identity intake but inhances there abilites...

[Catamantaloedis]

thesnake777 wrote...

Now I agree that Indoc is subtle. But remember Cerberus had Reaper Death squads hounding them, if they were being influnced by Indoc this wouldent have happened.

Agreed. Why would the Reapers wipe out their own agents? Cerberus clearly was not under their control and was clearly a threat of some concern to them.

[Tazzmission]

thesnake777 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

thesnake777 wrote...

Your right OP cerberus was not indoctrinated. Neither was TIM, he only became indoctrinated sometime after priority Cerberus HQ....

actually cerberus was experimented on not fully 100% indoctrinated

tim however i believe was halfway but not 100% fully because if he was why have the urge to controll reapers if hes under there controll in the first place?


heres another question id love to see someone answer. regarding sancuary do you think they sped up the prosses of indoctrination? because how long does indoctrination take?

I'm just going on the view that everyone else has, if he was indoctrinated it was then, however I dont think he was under their control at all..the only evidence that he was under there control comes from the Reaper kid who is a god damn liar anyway. 

mmmmmmm i dont know because the being of light theory sounds more legit and heres why

me1. volus has a vision similar to shepard

me1 sovy even states theres a realm to wich we cant comprehend

me2. garrus even states he feels sorry for the collectors the reapers and whoever else comes after them


me3. shepard see's the boy and wile the boy go's onto the shuttle during reaper invasion nobody helps him and he stares at shepard twice

the dreams imo could be the catalyst saying the weapon is dangerous wich can lead to sheps death hence him/her burning


anderson and hackett both say they have concerns on how massive this energy would hit once the weapon is activated and if i remember the exact line i believe it was anderson who asked if itll cause a universal catastriphy


catalyst tells shepard he/she is the only organic to make it this far and the crucible changed the catalysts current plans on reapers bringing order to chaos

[thesnake777]

dreman9999 wrote...


I'm not saying they were fully indoctrianted. I'm say  they were used as a very subtle tool...The tool just got out of control of the reapers. The reaper may have want to make cerberus make everyone an enemy but lost perspective of control.

I guess, but this would be the first tiime that happened, all other indoctrinated agents that we have dealt with ingame were fully under thier control, even the Rachni..I just dont see it, Cerberus has worked tireless to destroy the Reapers, I dont see the reapers useing them as a tool, they would most likly just try to wipe them out, as we saw at sancutary.

[thesnake777]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

thesnake777 wrote...

Now I agree that Indoc is subtle. But remember Cerberus had Reaper Death squads hounding them, if they were being influnced by Indoc this wouldent have happened.

Agreed. Why would the Reapers wipe out their own agents? Cerberus clearly was not under their control and was clearly a threat of some concern to them.

Oh yea, what it means is that Cerberus was really a major threat to the Reaper for them to send death squads after them, while they were all ready engaging civilzations around the galaxy.