Obviously in game none of the potential LIs is unavailable to Shepard for being too paragon or too renegade, but are there romance options you think are a better match for a Shepard of a certain persuasian?
Liara or Tali seem like a better fit for paragons & paragades, IMO.
Jack & Miranda to me seems like they'd be a better fit for renegons & renegades.
Ashley strikes me as being a better match for paragades or renegons.
Morality and Romance Options
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#2
Posté 27 mai 2012 - 10:20
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Jack and Morinth, clearly renegade romances.
Miranda and Ashley seem to be sort of in the middle.
I can't imagine Tali being with a jerk Shepard at all, not sure about Liara as i've never romanced her.
Not sure about the FemShep romances either, where would they go?
Miranda and Ashley seem to be sort of in the middle.
I can't imagine Tali being with a jerk Shepard at all, not sure about Liara as i've never romanced her.
Not sure about the FemShep romances either, where would they go?
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Posté 27 mai 2012 - 10:27
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Miranda is definitely the type for a renegon. She is willing to get her hands dirty, but she has a line that she won't cross. Of course, a paragade (like my Shepard) could also do it. The (general) paragade ideal also fits her mentality.
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Posté 27 mai 2012 - 10:33
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Garrus works well with all moralities since you can push him one way or the other in the first two games.
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Posté 27 mai 2012 - 11:12
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Hmm, lemme go through it:
Kaidan -> paragade/renegon!Shepard
Works since Kaidan is pure paragon and may keep Shepard grounded in case she (he) becomes too ruthless. On the other hand: Kaidan is an idealist and Shepard might keep him grounded.
Ashley -> paragon/paragade!Shepard
Ash is a realist - and quite neutral between both extremes. Not sure if she's paragade or renegon. However, her attitude keeps a too idealistic Shepard grounded and attached with reality.
Liara -> all Shepards except renegade
I think Liara might get hurt by a too ruthless Shepard - even if she doesn't show it. She's a kind spirit and therefore needs a Shepard that has some good in him/her.
Tali -> paragon/paragade Shepard
Well, Tali definitely needs a positive Shepard to change her views on the Geth. She could work with a ruthless Shepart too, but ... I don't think it fits to her.
Garrus -> All Shepards
Somehow, Garrus works with paragon and renegade and everything between both extremes. Depending on that, his own morality changes.
Miranda -> All Shepards
Miri works with all Shepards in my mind. You can get her sexy, ruthless side but also can allow her to become softer, more female with a paragon Shepard. Depending on what you like, it's your pick.
Jack -> Paragon only
Sure, you can renegade!sex her. But actually, Jack needs someone to heal her wounds - and a ruthless Shepard might cut her again and again.
Jacob -> Paragade/Renegon
Works best in my eyes. He's quite idealistic, but with flaws - and I can't see him with a full paragon or full renegade Shepard. Paragon!Shep might end in his friendzone and renegade!Shepard has done too evil deeds ...
Thane -> Paragon/Paragade
Obviously. Thane's romance works best with a positive Shepard. Actually, I wonder why Thane's not disgusted by the thought of a full renegade Shepard who -really- feels like a psychopath sometimes.
Cortez -> Paragon/Paragade
Not sure here, but the few bits of info I have about Cortez tell me, he want a gentle boyfriend and no guy that enjoys kicking serious ass.
Traynor -> All Shepards
She works best with positve Shepards but I also can see her being tempted by an evil female Shep. Maybe she's even someone who enjoys a rough ride ... so to speak *g*
Allers -> NO Shepards
Sorry. This is no romance, not even a fling.
Others:
Samara -> Paragon only
Obviously.
Morinth -> Renegade only
Also obvious.
Kelly -> All Shepards.
Well - that woman loves everything. She's the human Asari on board of the SR2, so she might also get in touch with all kinds of Shepard?
Aria -> Renegade only
Sexy boss? That's her. And she wants a ruthless Shepard.
Shiala -> All but renegade
'cause renegade Shepards kill her :'(
Aaaaand so on ... ^^
Kaidan -> paragade/renegon!Shepard
Works since Kaidan is pure paragon and may keep Shepard grounded in case she (he) becomes too ruthless. On the other hand: Kaidan is an idealist and Shepard might keep him grounded.
Ashley -> paragon/paragade!Shepard
Ash is a realist - and quite neutral between both extremes. Not sure if she's paragade or renegon. However, her attitude keeps a too idealistic Shepard grounded and attached with reality.
Liara -> all Shepards except renegade
I think Liara might get hurt by a too ruthless Shepard - even if she doesn't show it. She's a kind spirit and therefore needs a Shepard that has some good in him/her.
Tali -> paragon/paragade Shepard
Well, Tali definitely needs a positive Shepard to change her views on the Geth. She could work with a ruthless Shepart too, but ... I don't think it fits to her.
Garrus -> All Shepards
Somehow, Garrus works with paragon and renegade and everything between both extremes. Depending on that, his own morality changes.
Miranda -> All Shepards
Miri works with all Shepards in my mind. You can get her sexy, ruthless side but also can allow her to become softer, more female with a paragon Shepard. Depending on what you like, it's your pick.
Jack -> Paragon only
Sure, you can renegade!sex her. But actually, Jack needs someone to heal her wounds - and a ruthless Shepard might cut her again and again.
Jacob -> Paragade/Renegon
Works best in my eyes. He's quite idealistic, but with flaws - and I can't see him with a full paragon or full renegade Shepard. Paragon!Shep might end in his friendzone and renegade!Shepard has done too evil deeds ...
Thane -> Paragon/Paragade
Obviously. Thane's romance works best with a positive Shepard. Actually, I wonder why Thane's not disgusted by the thought of a full renegade Shepard who -really- feels like a psychopath sometimes.
Cortez -> Paragon/Paragade
Not sure here, but the few bits of info I have about Cortez tell me, he want a gentle boyfriend and no guy that enjoys kicking serious ass.
Traynor -> All Shepards
She works best with positve Shepards but I also can see her being tempted by an evil female Shep. Maybe she's even someone who enjoys a rough ride ... so to speak *g*
Allers -> NO Shepards
Sorry. This is no romance, not even a fling.
Others:
Samara -> Paragon only
Obviously.
Morinth -> Renegade only
Also obvious.
Kelly -> All Shepards.
Well - that woman loves everything. She's the human Asari on board of the SR2, so she might also get in touch with all kinds of Shepard?
Aria -> Renegade only
Sexy boss? That's her. And she wants a ruthless Shepard.
Shiala -> All but renegade
'cause renegade Shepards kill her :'(
Aaaaand so on ... ^^
#6
Posté 27 mai 2012 - 11:16
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I don't think any relationship should be dependent on Shepard's morality but I wouldn't mind a friendship/rivalry system like in Dragon Age 2.
The thing is, paragon and renegade aren't really good and evil. I love renegade Shepard, like paragon Shepard she's still a good person but she's willing to make the tough choices. I think the more paragon LIs like Tali and Liara (who both have their renegade sides) can see that renegade Shepard is still a good person.
The thing is, paragon and renegade aren't really good and evil. I love renegade Shepard, like paragon Shepard she's still a good person but she's willing to make the tough choices. I think the more paragon LIs like Tali and Liara (who both have their renegade sides) can see that renegade Shepard is still a good person.
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Posté 27 mai 2012 - 11:59
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Sarcastic Tasha wrote...
I don't think any relationship should be dependent on Shepard's morality but I wouldn't mind a friendship/rivalry system like in Dragon Age 2.
The thing is, paragon and renegade aren't really good and evil. I love renegade Shepard, like paragon Shepard she's still a good person but she's willing to make the tough choices. I think the more paragon LIs like Tali and Liara (who both have their renegade sides) can see that renegade Shepard is still a good person.
There should be actions that end romances - like in DA2 if you attack Anders in the fade, he will end the romance.
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Posté 27 mai 2012 - 12:35
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Well, in case BW decides to make a reboot, they definitely should include more dynamic romances depending on morality of Shepard and/or certain actions.
In ME2 they kinda had something in the game already: Jack/Miranda - if you side with one, you lose the other one as LI.
In ME2 they kinda had something in the game already: Jack/Miranda - if you side with one, you lose the other one as LI.
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Posté 27 mai 2012 - 12:39
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Apathy1989 wrote...
There should be actions that end romances - like in DA2 if you attack Anders in the fade, he will end the romance.
I love how mad he gets there, so funny. Selling that kids soul to the demon is worth it just for Anders reaction, the fact you can get extra attribute points or skill points on top of that is the icing on the cake.
It would be cool if certain actions made certain LIs throw an Anders style hissy fit and dump Shepard.
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Posté 27 mai 2012 - 03:56
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The Paragon and Renegade sliders have nothing to do with morality.
As such, no, I don't think any of the characters are better suited to a Shepard of one side or the other.
As such, no, I don't think any of the characters are better suited to a Shepard of one side or the other.
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Posté 27 mai 2012 - 05:04
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Agree on both counts.Ashwraith wrote...
The Paragon and Renegade sliders have nothing to do with morality.
As such, no, I don't think any of the characters are better suited to a Shepard of one side or the other.
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Posté 27 mai 2012 - 05:30
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Ashwraith wrote...
The Paragon and Renegade sliders have nothing to do with morality.
As such, no, I don't think any of the characters are better suited to a Shepard of one side or the other.
This.
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Posté 27 mai 2012 - 08:32
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The Dragon Age II system bothered me. It made me feel like I had to act a certain way just to romance Isabela even though my Hawke wouldn't naturally be sarcastic. Isabela was the only passable romance option for me. If I had to act a certain way to get Liara to stay with me, that would kill her character for me. She sticks with you no matter what as long as you're faithful to her. That's her most redeeming quality to me.
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Posté 27 mai 2012 - 10:05
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I've thought about this before, a bit. It's a little tricky because the way in which the Paragon and (especially) Renegade moralities are portrayed seems to shift a bit from game to game, but off the top of my head, I would say:
Ashley --> Neutral-Renegade Shepard (in ME1) ; Paragon Shepard (in ME3)
Kaidan --> Neutral-Paragon Shepard
Liara --> Paragon Shepard
Miranda --> Renegade Shepard
Tali --> Paragon Shepard
Jack --> Neutral-Paragon Shepard (in ME2) ; Renegade Shepard (in ME3)
Jacob --> Neutral Shepard
Garrus --> Can go with more or less anyone due to the malleability and complexity of his character, but I don't think he works as well with a purely Renegade Shepard
Thane --> Paragon Shepard
Cortez --> Paragon Shepard
Traynor --> Either
Ashley --> Neutral-Renegade Shepard (in ME1) ; Paragon Shepard (in ME3)
Kaidan --> Neutral-Paragon Shepard
Liara --> Paragon Shepard
Miranda --> Renegade Shepard
Tali --> Paragon Shepard
Jack --> Neutral-Paragon Shepard (in ME2) ; Renegade Shepard (in ME3)
Jacob --> Neutral Shepard
Garrus --> Can go with more or less anyone due to the malleability and complexity of his character, but I don't think he works as well with a purely Renegade Shepard
Thane --> Paragon Shepard
Cortez --> Paragon Shepard
Traynor --> Either
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Posté 27 mai 2012 - 10:12
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That's not true. For the most part, the relationship slider is based on your choices, not how you make them. I played a Diplomatic rival-romance with Fenris, for instance. He got all uppity at her and she just smiled and nodded. It was quite satisfying. /otYoshiyuki Ly wrote...
The Dragon Age II system bothered me. It made me feel like I had to act a certain way just to romance Isabela even though my Hawke wouldn't naturally be sarcastic. Isabela was the only passable romance option for me. If I had to act a certain way to get Liara to stay with me, that would kill her character for me. She sticks with you no matter what as long as you're faithful to her. That's her most redeeming quality to me.
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Posté 28 mai 2012 - 03:28
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Jack and a Renegade? A preposterous notion. I would question anyone who thinks that whether they had ever bothered to romance her at all. Jack fits, nay, requires a King-of-the-Boy-Scouts-level Paragon.
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Posté 28 mai 2012 - 05:07
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KingNothing125 wrote...
Jack and a Renegade? A preposterous notion. I would question anyone who thinks that whether they had ever bothered to romance her at all. Jack fits, nay, requires a King-of-the-Boy-Scouts-level Paragon.
Jack prefers a Shepard that is patient with her and cares for her, and isn't just trying to get into her pants. In other words she is a better fit for a Shep that chooses the paragon responses in their romance dialogue. But a full on Ren Shep is equally capable of doing that as well. Other than that I think Renegades make a better match, as they are more in line with Jack's outlook. Jack after all is the type who will laugh when Shepard pushes a merc out of a window.
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Posté 08 juin 2012 - 01:28
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Hmm, an interesting thought. I actually think it would be a very good idea, if I wasn't afraid of BW messing it up and having an uneven number of matches for paragons and renegades. Someone else posted that paragon and renegade is not good and evil, and romance should not depend on morality, but I think saying paragon and renegade is not morality only supports the idea that romances could be "shut off" or "turned on" based on paragon/renegade score. Paragon and renegade speak to the personality of Shepard, because people with different personalities work in different ways. People are right, I think, that Tali might be turned off by a pure renegade Shephard.
I wanted to bring up Neverwinter Nights. Neverwinter Nights (I forget which game) has a similar system with romance, I believe, but it is more of a morality system. Still, certain things match up... There was an archer character who was very renegade, and maybe a little evil, and he only got along with the player character if the player character matched/complimented his personality. It would be interesting to see this applied in Mass Effect, only based on paragon and renegade.
I also think about Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic. If I am remembering correctly, Revan could romance all available LIs, regardless of whether s/he was good or bad, but it was cool to see NPC's react to Revan's decisions. Wish there was more of that in ME... But I'm straying...
Having certain LI's open or closed to relationships based on Shepard's personality would have been cool. It would have been like the NPC reactions in KOTOR, but followed through into relationship stuff.
Liara
I've seen some posts mark Liara as strictly paragon, but after her behavior in ME2, I'd say she could easily fall for renegade... perhaps renegon, but pretty close to renegade.
Kelly
I don't think she would romance any Shepard, at least not in ME2. In ME2 she's all about love (despite being with Cerberus), and she comes off as really paragon. Shepard even has a chance to tell her she is naive.
Most other characters I agree with what's been said, so I won't repeat it.
I wanted to bring up Neverwinter Nights. Neverwinter Nights (I forget which game) has a similar system with romance, I believe, but it is more of a morality system. Still, certain things match up... There was an archer character who was very renegade, and maybe a little evil, and he only got along with the player character if the player character matched/complimented his personality. It would be interesting to see this applied in Mass Effect, only based on paragon and renegade.
I also think about Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic. If I am remembering correctly, Revan could romance all available LIs, regardless of whether s/he was good or bad, but it was cool to see NPC's react to Revan's decisions. Wish there was more of that in ME... But I'm straying...
Having certain LI's open or closed to relationships based on Shepard's personality would have been cool. It would have been like the NPC reactions in KOTOR, but followed through into relationship stuff.
Liara
I've seen some posts mark Liara as strictly paragon, but after her behavior in ME2, I'd say she could easily fall for renegade... perhaps renegon, but pretty close to renegade.
Kelly
I don't think she would romance any Shepard, at least not in ME2. In ME2 she's all about love (despite being with Cerberus), and she comes off as really paragon. Shepard even has a chance to tell her she is naive.
Most other characters I agree with what's been said, so I won't repeat it.
