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[FlamboyantRoy]

Distilled Poison wrote...

FlamboyantRoy wrote...

It does need to be balanced. Especially in regards to who gets credit for kills. It's very skewed. I do all the work and they want to get all the credit.

Kid, I think you bought the wrong game. What you were looking for was Call of Duty.


OT- Nerfing powerful classes comes after all bugs being fixed, new enemies, and buffs to bad weapons and characters. Until then, quit crying that you can't keep up.

Kid, I think you're an idiot. What you should do is mind your own damn business. 

OT-Losers who like to hide while others do all the work on an enemy don't deserve credit. End of story. I honestly can't tell you how many kills I've stolen as an infiltrator(Yeah I said it). It's effortless, but as I said. It's not right. 

[Distilled Poison]

Guys, just ignore FlamboyantRoy. Check his manifest. He's clearly just a Bronze Hero score hoarder. Probably checks the board twice a round.

Just trade in ME3 for CoD, it's clearly more your speed.

Modifié par Distilled Poison, 27 mai 2012 - 01:39 .

[FlamboyantRoy]

Distilled Poison wrote...

Guys, just ignore FlamboyantRoy. Check his manifest. He's clearly just a Bronze Hero score hoarder. Probably checks the board twice a game.
Just trade in ME3 for CoD, it's clearly more your speed.

LOL you can't even argue like an adult, you're such a cute little tike! Tell ya what. Why don't you let the grown folks carry on and debate properly and you can go eat paint chips in the corner?

[Wesus]

Who are we hitting with a slightly OP weapon? AI bots (pve)
Who are we hitting with a slightly OP weapon? OTHER PLAYERS (PvP)

Is it so hard to spot the difference between it?

[Prodicus]

I think the mp is pretty well balanced in this respect: pretty much all the classes are fun to play, and I find that I can contribute to the team regardless of the class I'm playing. Since we're not really competing against each other, the fact that some classes may be more powerful only provides an opportunity for variety and challenges.

[Killahead]

Of course it is, the ones who disagree must be the ones that would welcome an automatic claymore in the game, rendering all other options redundant and useless. It's all about giving meaning to the variety of options available. For me the scoreboard has nothing to do with it, balance would be just as important even if the game didn't tell you who killed what and who killed the most overall. People tend to choose the easiest paths, if that means that out of 30 classes most will pick one or two, then we have a problem.

But I no longer care that so many fail to see why balance is important even in a PvE game, all that matters is that Bioware, the game developer, recognizes this. With all the hard work they've put into making a variety of options, I'm sure they get a good chuckle out of the ones who enjoy their game and don't believe balance has anything to do with it.

[Distilled Poison]

FlamboyantRoy wrote...

debate properly

I wasn't aware this was a debate. And this is coming from the guy whose opinion of "team work" is "Stop stealing my kills, those are my points."

Again dude, Call of Duty is clearly the game for you.

[-Severian-]

Wesus wrote...

Who are we hitting with a slightly OP weapon? AI bots (pve)
Who are we hitting with a slightly OP weapon? OTHER PLAYERS (PvP)

Is it so hard to spot the difference between it?

*sigh* Did you even try to read the post? Of course there is a difference. The issue arises from the other players in the game with you, not the bots. Sorry, my mistake - I'll put that all in caps so everyone can understand it, since apparently that helps. The OTHER PLAYERS. They care, because that OP weapons you mentioned is slaughtering everything around you and their enjoyment is being slaughtered alongside it.

Why play a game with no challenge, because the Black Widow Infiltrator or Bio-Explosion AA is rendering it pointless? Sure, you could play the same class, but then you end up with a MP even more stale than the one we have, with only two or three viable combinations if you wish to play a worthwhile match. Otherwise, the other three players are left standing there, desperately scrambling for kills for the sake of enjoyment, effectively having their interest in the game removed. Now, the argument that "but you can simply choose that class" is entirely fair, of course, but I think we can all agree that much of the interest of the MP comes from the variation, and so this is a real issue.

[Draining Dragon]

The thing is, if the game isn't balanced, then most of the classes/weapons become useless. It becomes only plausible to use one loadout rather than the hundreds of possible loadouts.

[astheoceansblue]

Good post killahead. You hit a few nails there.

I'm having fun reading some of the other posts in this thread.

[Nereithr]

ITT: People who honestly want the game to just be balanced versus retards shouting: "OMG PLAYZ COD IF YOU WANTZ BALANX!!!!"

[Prodicus]

Honestly, do you find that the balance is currently so off? Sure, I can top the board with a GI, and I'm unlikely to do so with my QE, but some of my most enjoyable matches have come from making a real contribution to the team with just such a "weaker" class

[Wesus]

And its Co.-op lolololol every second spared to kill **** is good. If you dont want stuff to go fast pick shurikens or play with friends. Others dont have to suffer because you think x teammate has got a good weapon which kills stuff fast

There are a lot of good weapons:
Shotguns : wraith (yes its good imo) , claymore,graal,gps.
Assault rifles : falcon (in combo with engineers and the staggers), saber
Smg's : hurricane and hornet(hornet = decent)
Sniper rifles : BW , Valiant , widow , javelin ( only con is weight and low ammo is solveable),indra, kishock if host
Heavy pistol : carnifex, talon, paladin, phalanx

How about you have a cup of shut up. The majority of the weapons are good bar the uncommons/Commons and 1 or 2 rares / ultra-rares

Why not buff those instead of nerf all the good things in the game...

[Distilled Poison]

Nereithr

ITT: People who honestly want the game to just be balanced versus retards shouting: "OMG PLAYZ COD IF YOU WANTZ BALANX!!!!"

Way to understand what's going on. First, mocking a person with retarded typing only works if they type like a retard. Second, I have no problem with OP's idea of balance, only that other things were important. I'm more concerned with idiots talking about killstealing in Bronze and how they don't deserve creds.

[-Severian-]

Wesus wrote...

And its Co.-op lolololol every second spared to kill **** is good. If you dont want stuff to go fast pick shurikens or play with friends. Others dont have to suffer because you think x teammate has got a good weapon which kills stuff fast

There are a lot of good weapons:
Shotguns : wraith (yes its good imo) , claymore,graal,gps.
Assault rifles : falcon (in combo with engineers and the staggers), saber
Smg's : hurricane and hornet(hornet = decent)
Sniper rifles : BW , Valiant , widow , javelin ( only con is weight and low ammo is solveable),indra, kishock if host
Heavy pistol : carnifex, talon, paladin, phalanx

How about you have a cup of shut up. The majority of the weapons are good bar the uncommons/Commons and 1 or 2 rares / ultra-rares

Why not buff those instead of nerf all the good things in the game...

Mmm. I'm sorry, I don't think I've read anyone ask for a nerf? Perhaps you could enlighten me, since you clearly read so very carefully? See, I think people are asking for balance, which includes buffs. So long as everything eventually reaches the same level, that'd be entirely fine. Equality, not nerfs.

EDIT: You actually proved my point. Look at your list. Excluding the Falcon, which is only viable on 1 player out of 4 (the host) and the Hurricane, which is only available by random chance twice a month, you list a single AR and SMG, in comparison to 5 Snipers and 4 Shotguns. I agree, those are good. The problem is that, unless you're playing a sniper or CQC, then you're screwed. And thus, we have a problem. The only classes that are properly, therefore, viable, are the Sentinels and Infiltrators who can make the most efficient use of those limited weapons. Other CAN use them, but not as well. And thus, balance is off and variation suffers.

Modifié par -Severian-, 27 mai 2012 - 02:13 .

[Wesus]

Equality will never be there accept it already. We cant make the katana and crappy ass uncommons as good as rares / ultra - rares. It would make no sense to make everything equal as people Will just pick their lvl x common to do stuff instead of their ultra rare / rares which Lea Es' EA and bioware with nothing due to people willing to pay for certain rares / ultra-rares and if they made everything even there would be no need for people to participate in microtransactions.

The game would become monotone and the balance as it is now is fine.

[Prodicus]

Wesus wrote

The game would become monotone and the balance as it is now is fine.

See, this I agree with completely.

[Wesus]

Most AR's are uncommons and Commons. Striker is bugged if they fixed that it would be fine but falcon is fine and the Revenant is decent but outclassed by a hurricane yet its good on a turian soldier

We got 5 smgs, forgot the GPSMG which is also good for tb's and such
Forgot another AR : The mattock is good as well, if you got a decent trigger finger

There are enough options to play with.

[FlamboyantRoy]

Distilled Poison wrote...

FlamboyantRoy wrote...

debate properly

I wasn't aware this was a debate. And this is coming from the guy whose opinion of "team work" is "Stop stealing my kills, those are my points."

Again dude, Call of Duty is clearly the game for you.

The only reason you are even 'irked' by my comment is because you know that I'm correct. It's the elephant in the room. Everyone is guilty of it, whether they want to admit it or not. When other people are killing an enemy and they don't need help I DON'T JUMP IN. It's not a difficult concept. Surely if a "Call of Duty Dude" can get it, so can you. 

It's proper etiquette. In ANY game mode. That's the problem with these people, they have no manners or a basic sense of decency. 

Btw, what you do have against Call of Duty? Too competitive for you?

[Nereithr]

Distilled Poison wrote...

Nereithr

ITT: People who honestly want the game to just be balanced versus retards shouting: "OMG PLAYZ COD IF YOU WANTZ BALANX!!!!"

Way to understand what's going on. First, mocking a person with retarded typing only works if they type like a retard. Second, I have no problem with OP's idea of balance, only that other things were important. I'm more concerned with idiots talking about killstealing in Bronze and how they don't deserve creds.

Not mocking anyone. Just saying where the wind is blowing. If we want the discussion to go anywhere we will need to keep civilized. End of story.

Nerfing stuff is bad. Seriously. It's retarded. Who cares if GI is top damage dealer? He is also a glass cannon and becomes terribly boring to play after a while. Same **** with HV and whatever class you think is OP.

The issue is with weapons. Most uncommons are... lacking when compared to rares and considering how easy rares are to find this becomes an issue. They are not bad per se. They are good, man. It's just that no one in his right mind, who isn't looking for a challenge is going to use phalanx over carnifex, eviscerator over claymore or wraith. They need some small buffs.

Automatic weaponry needs a major buff. They should seriously think outside the box. Hurricane is perfect balance-wise. If you are bad, it's just another ****ty automatic weapon with terrible recoil. If you can aim, compensate for recoil and/or burst it becomes a versatile powerhouse. All just my opinion of course.

^I am a pro-balance guy, but your reasons for balance are foolish and childish. As long as the target is not primed for burst/splosions, who cares what kills it? Cod is mentioned because it's an archetypical "score wanker" game. Just in line with Halo and Counter-Strike.

And oh, BTW, CoD isn't balanced. All weapons are practically the same, each one is handled in a similiar fashion. ME has the variety, BW just needs to work on refining it.

Modifié par Nereithr, 27 mai 2012 - 02:28 .

[Wesus]

Call of duty is too easy. /end your discussion

[GGW KillerTiger]

 Balance is important in PvE as in player charachters versus enemie everything not as in how each playable charachter stacks to one another.

In other words -> Each class has a role to fullfill but with the current set up of playable toons versus enemies some of the toons become utterly useless even at the role they are meant to play.

Modifié par GGW KillerTiger, 27 mai 2012 - 02:31 .

[Nereithr]

Wesus wrote...

Call of duty is too easy. /end your discussion

 

Agreed. The weapons there have basically no recoil and there is a lot of stuff that does your job for you.

[Feneckus]

 The fact that everybody gets the same amout of XP/Credits is irrelevant.

We're supposed to have fun. That's why we play this game. Is it possible to have fun when you're a Quarian Engineer with two Geth Infiltrators on your team who murder everything in sight before you even have time to do anything ? If you can, you have a weird definition of fun.