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[EpyonX3]

NOTE: This discussion has evolved and new ideas have been put forward that have a better chance of being true. Please took through the thread before commenting soley on the original post. Thanks!



Hello! This thread introduced the idea that Shepard was on or on part of the Crucible and not on the Citadel.

I believe that decision chamber is actually an additional component of the Crucible that attached to the Citadel. The following provides evidence to my claim.


Consider this enhanced image of the crucible docking. It may be hard to see, but there is an object sticking out of the crucible where the prongs are supposed to be.




Here's a zoomed in image of the object.



The blue light is actually where the prongs and the chamber will meet and the rest is the base of the decision chamber. This chamber separates from the crucible just as it docks.


Here's a pic illustrating what I mean. 




Now take a look at the design of the control panel room.



Notice the object that sticks out. This will be important later. For now look at the round pattern of the top of the control room.



This is the ceiling of the control room. Take note of the hole in the ceiling, its position and size.

And finally, look at the orientation of the panel like structures.





Now take a look at the base of the decision chamber.



You'll notice that the base has a section cut out. This cut is meant to fit on top of the notch on the control room.

The very bottom of the decision chamber is about the same size as the top of the control panel. Additionally, the metallic ring around both openings are present, further suggesting that this is a contact point between the crucible and the citadel.

Look at the positioning of the energy flowing down into what should be the citadel. It's coming directly through the center of the object which lines up with the hole in the ceiling of the control room.

This explains the bright light coming from the ceiling when Shepard is raised to the room. The light comes from the crucible's energy.

The platform that raises also changes, suggesting that the decision chamber is not of Citadel origin.



The brighter object on the floor is the platform that Shepard arrived on. The platform Shepard Raised in had a groove with lights on it. This one is entirely flat with no lights. Shepard was switched onto a different platform along the way.

Now remember the orientation of the panels.



This is the view from the outside.

Now on the Cricuble,



the panels are pointing to the opposite side.

Now lets go back to the base seen when it was docking.

This is the decision room's base.



Notice the cylindrical shape.

Here's the object again.



This shape is consistent with the design of the decision room and its base.


I've already seen some opposition to my theory and I encourage those who disagree to post why they do. However, I'd like for all who respond, agree or not, to remain civil.


Thanks for your time! I look forward to discussing with you all!

Modifié par EpyonX3, 30 mai 2012 - 04:48 .

[paxxton]

Nice post! Why the Crucible looks like an egg?

Modifié par paxxton, 27 mai 2012 - 02:05 .

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

Nice post! Why the Crucible looks like an egg?

Thanks.

Beats me though. We didn't design it lol.

[The Night Mammoth]

You're missing a screen-shot.

Specifically the one that actually shows you what is on the end of the Crucible.

[EpyonX3]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

You're missing a screen-shot.

Specifically the one that actually shows you what is on the end of the Crucible.

You mean this one?

The one that doesn't show us a direct profile of the crucible docking, or show us the structures that extend out to the prongs, shows us what the crucible is connecting to or even explains how the energy is flowing down into the Citadel?




EDIT:I re-read what I said and it may sound aggressive or snarky. I'd like to apologize if it indeed sounds that way. It was not intended.

Modifié par EpyonX3, 27 mai 2012 - 02:15 .

[The Night Mammoth]

EpyonX3 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

You're missing a screen-shot.

Specifically the one that actually shows you what is on the end of the Crucible.

You mean this one?

The one that doesn't show us a direct profile of the crucible docking, or show us the structures that extend out to the prongs, shows us what the crucible is connecting to or even explains how the energy is flowing down into the Citadel?


*snip*

That wasn't meant as a dig, I just thought it might add to the results. 

There seems to a be a few conflicting images concerning what exactly is at the end. It seems more like you're standing on the Citadel given the location and architecture around you, and that image above seems to portray that as the part directly above where you stand. 

Either way, it's very concerning that a. the Catalyst brings you there via a magic lift still, and b. why no one ever thought to register why those two structures pertaining to control and destroy exist. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 27 mai 2012 - 02:18 .

[EpyonX3]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

You're missing a screen-shot.

Specifically the one that actually shows you what is on the end of the Crucible.

You mean this one?

The one that doesn't show us a direct profile of the crucible docking, or show us the structures that extend out to the prongs, shows us what the crucible is connecting to or even explains how the energy is flowing down into the Citadel?


*snip*

That wasn't meant as a dig, I just thought it might add to the results. 

There seems to a be a few conflicting images concerning what exactly is at the end. It seems more like you're standing on the Citadel given the location and architecture around you, and that image above seems to portray that as the part directly above where you stand. 

Either way, it's very concerning that a. the Catalyst brings you there via a magic lift still, and b. why no one ever thought to register why those two structures pertaining to control and destroy exist. 

Sorry I responded like that. I edited my post but you were probably already responding.

The platform could have been raised using the Eezo energy flowing in from the crucible. How he switched over to a different platform or made it through the whole is still a mystery, but it seems bioware had no mechanism for illustrating this either, hence the cut to the scene of the arms opening before Shepard wakes up.

TIM seemed pretty sure that the reapers could be controlled using the crucible. He knew that the crucible contained a control option. If these options were built into the Citadel, then what is the point of the Crucible? Also how is it that in all of the years organics had control of the citadel, did no one notice these structures?

[Mobius-Silent]

No, the control room lines up with the area shepherd starts at. Shepherd enters the citadel below an just a little out from the central chasm when the energy goes, I'll post pictures when I get hone but I've done a much flycamming as you and there us no way the decision platform fines from the crucible.

[The Night Mammoth]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Sorry I responded like that. I edited my post but you were probably already responding.

No problem, I thought my own post sounded snarky, I didn't even notice what you posted. 

The platform could have been raised using the Eezo energy flowing in from the crucible. How he switched over to a different platform or made it through the whole is still a mystery, but it seems bioware had no mechanism for illustrating this either, hence the cut to the scene of the arms opening before Shepard wakes up.

Best guess is time-constraints. They probably had several different assets and cut a couple together even though they didn't flow too well.

Either the functions are part of the Crucible, or the Citadel. Both outcomes raise questions. 

TIM seemed pretty sure that the reapers could be controlled using the crucible. He knew that the crucible contained a control option. If these options were built into the Citadel, then what is the point of the Crucible? Also how is it that in all of the years organics had control of the citadel, did no one notice these structures?

That's probably my biggest question regarding the Crucible itself. Basically, from the understaning gleaned from just standing there before the glowing serpent at the end, I was on the Citadel, or more specifically, the underside of the Presidium tower looking up at the newly docked Crucible. I was at the interface between the two. 

I was more concerned with how the Citadel is the one giving the options, because it means that either the Citadel has been prepared for the Crucible, which is impossible without the Reapers doing it, the opposite is true, which is likewise impossible. 

[EpyonX3]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Sorry I responded like that. I edited my post but you were probably already responding.

No problem, I thought my own post sounded snarky, I didn't even notice what you posted. 

The platform could have been raised using the Eezo energy flowing in from the crucible. How he switched over to a different platform or made it through the whole is still a mystery, but it seems bioware had no mechanism for illustrating this either, hence the cut to the scene of the arms opening before Shepard wakes up.

Best guess is time-constraints. They probably had several different assets and cut a couple together even though they didn't flow too well.

Either the functions are part of the Crucible, or the Citadel. Both outcomes raise questions. 

TIM seemed pretty sure that the reapers could be controlled using the crucible. He knew that the crucible contained a control option. If these options were built into the Citadel, then what is the point of the Crucible? Also how is it that in all of the years organics had control of the citadel, did no one notice these structures?

That's probably my biggest question regarding the Crucible itself. Basically, from the understaning gleaned from just standing there before the glowing serpent at the end, I was on the Citadel, or more specifically, the underside of the Presidium tower looking up at the newly docked Crucible. I was at the interface between the two. 

I was more concerned with how the Citadel is the one giving the options, because it means that either the Citadel has been prepared for the Crucible, which is impossible without the Reapers doing it, the opposite is true, which is likewise impossible. 

Not to mention that the decision room that shepard stands on contains parts from the normandy and get ships. This may get into the indcotrination theory a bit but from a literal stand point, it's more likely that that room is of organic construction and not from the Citadel.

[EpyonX3]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

No, the control room lines up with the area shepherd starts at. Shepherd enters the citadel below an just a little out from the central chasm when the energy goes, I'll post pictures when I get hone but I've done a much flycamming as you and there us no way the decision platform fines from the crucible.

Cool. I'm curious to see what you find.

[Corik]

Maybe those are not the Crucible nor the Citadel. Just a representation in Shepard's head. I can't understand why a Citadel "magical" elevator would lead to the Crucible. And if it's all on the Citadel side, I can't understand why nobody studied those exposed elements before.

Again, everything points to a forced scenario where the Reapers try to mess with Shepard's mind to make him forget his original mission and indoctrinate him.

Otherwise... doesn't make any sense... Why is the crucible designed with 3 options? They only wanted to destroy the reapers... Or... Why the reapers made the Citadel with those options? I can't understand it in any case...

[Cypher_CS]

What do you mean by "Citadel giving the options"?

And hey, Mammoth, isn't this what we discussed in the other thread?

[EpyonX3]

Corik wrote...

Maybe those are not the Crucible nor the Citadel. Just a representation in Shepard's head. I can't understand why a Citadel "magical" elevator would lead to the Crucible. And if it's all on the Citadel side, I can't understand why nobody studied those exposed elements before.

Again, everything points to a forced scenario where the Reapers try to mess with Shepard's mind to make him forget his original mission and indoctrinate him.

Otherwise... doesn't make any sense... Why is the crucible designed with 3 options? They only wanted to destroy the reapers... Or... Why the reapers made the Citadel with those options? I can't understand it in any case...

I'm not going to go into the hallucination thing. For us to debate that on those grounds would mean that we first have to assume IT is true. That's not what this thread is about.

[The Night Mammoth]

Cypher_CS wrote...

What do you mean by "Citadel giving the options"?

And hey, Mammoth, isn't this what we discussed in the other thread?

Pretty much. If the Citadel has those two structures on it then something has either been working on the Crucible with knowledge of the Citadel, which is pretty much impossible, or the Citadel has been tweaked for the Crucible, which is again, pretty much impossible.

There are enough questions regarding the stupid fiasco as it is.

[EpyonX3]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Cypher_CS wrote...

What do you mean by "Citadel giving the options"?

And hey, Mammoth, isn't this what we discussed in the other thread?

Pretty much. If the Citadel has those two structures on it then something has either been working on the Crucible with knowledge of the Citadel, which is pretty much impossible, or the Citadel has been tweaked for the Crucible, which is again, pretty much impossible.

There are enough questions regarding the stupid fiasco as it is.

Remember that we didn't design the crucible. It was designed by species that came before. Those people could have gotten much further at unlocking the secrets of the Citadel then we did. The protheans discovered how to sabotage the keepers while the furthest we got was scanning them.

So it's not too impossible that the options were built into the crucible. Especially when the catalyst says, "the crucible changed me, creating new possibilities." This suggests that the options are foreign to the citadel.

The reverse, that the options were put on the citadel by the reapers is impossible though.

[Cypher_CS]

Well... Isn't the OP stating that those are from the Crucible, NOT the Citadel (as I claim)? Just like the pictures I posted in that other thread?

In that case, we don't have a problem here. At all.

[EpyonX3]

Cypher_CS wrote...

Well... Isn't the OP stating that those are from the Crucible, NOT the Citadel (as I claim)? Just like the pictures I posted in that other thread?

In that case, we don't have a problem here. At all.

Wow you made a thread about this? I thought I was the only one..

[Cypher_CS]

No no, I just posted two images in a different thread.

[EpyonX3]

Check this out.



What is the object in red?

I filled in where the blue beams of light would be when it's on.

[Cypher_CS]

I personally never thought for a moment that those things are parts of the Citadel and not the Crucible.

[o Ventus]

paxxton wrote...

Nice post! Why the Crucible looks like an egg?

I'm more curious as to why there's a giant propeller on it.

To quote smudboy: "It's almost as if someone making the blueprints billions of years ago just felt like playing a joke on their predecessors. Fantastic."

[EpyonX3]

o Ventus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Nice post! Why the Crucible looks like an egg?

I'm more curious as to why there's a giant propeller on it.

To quote smudboy: "It's almost as if someone making the blueprints billions of years ago just felt like playing a joke on their predecessors. Fantastic."

Lol you never know when you have to hide it on a planet. why not give it some aerodynamics?

I like the quote though.

[EpyonX3]

Cypher_CS wrote...

I personally never thought for a moment that those things are parts of the Citadel and not the Crucible.

I guess I'm not alone on this. That's a relief.

[Mobius-Silent]

Ok, back home. firstly the control room->elevator-of-light->catalyst-interface-arena correspondences. (Open in new window, it's a big one)



As you can see the "Control room" is off on the rim of a cylinder segment (most of it is missing to optimise the map) This is the base of the Citadel tower (With the gravity inverted from what we're used to) the lift goes straight up to the rim of the catalyst-interface-arena. The Crucible beam runs down the length of the Citadel tower and the "processing room" teleport pads are arranged in a ring around the central shaft (which follows from the scene were we see the teleport beam start up near the beginning of "priority earth"

Side view showing Shep's path

Modifié par Mobius-Silent, 27 mai 2012 - 10:52 .