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[Mobius-Silent]

 What you've said here:



is impossible, the scales are all wrong, as illustrated here:



The element you've high-lighted in red is no larger than the center of the chamber, the _tiny cylinger stuck out at the very end is a bit on an anomaly but it's too small to be anything important in the crucible-interface-arena

[AlexPorto111]

But its still dont make sense on why the destroy and control options are on the Citadel,not on the Crucible.

Modifié par AlexPorto111, 27 mai 2012 - 11:22 .

[EpyonX3]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

Ok, back home. firstly the control room->elevator-of-light->catalyst-interface-arena correspondences. (Open in new window, it's a big one)



As you can see the "Control room" is off on the rim of a cylinder segment (most of it is missing to optimise the map) This is the base of the Citadel tower (With the gravity inverted from what we're used to) the lift goes straight up to the rim of the catalyst-interface-arena. The Crucible beam runs down the length of the Citadel tower and the "processing room" teleport pads are arranged in a ring around the central shaft (which follows from the scene were we see the teleport beam start up near the beginning of "priority earth"

Side view showing Shep's path

Wow you posted that second pic as I was responding. Part of my response was suggesting that very thing you illustrated.

I originally thought the same thing you do. However, the reason I changed my mind was because of the orientation of the platform and it's ascending path.





It goes along this long narrow path. That path does not line up with the Control Room if it were to land right on top of it. The notch would actually be in the way.


Other than that I'd be ready to revise my theory because in both scenarios, the decision chamber is still from the crucible and not the citadel.

[Baa Baa]

No... Shepard IS the crucible........

[EpyonX3]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

 What you've said here:



is impossible, the scales are all wrong, as illustrated here:



The element you've high-lighted in red is no larger than the center of the chamber, the _tiny cylinger stuck out at the very end is a bit on an anomaly but it's too small to be anything important in the crucible-interface-arena

Nice you used my video for that pic of the chamber.

Check this image out.

It's the best one we've got of the crucible before docking.  I pointed out the object in question.

[Chief Commander]

Why should this be of importance? This still does not explain how he can survive all that crap exploding around him. Am I missing something?

[Mobius-Silent]

The mystery nubbin _could_ _maybe_ fold out into the prongs holding the control/destroy consoles, but no more than that. The pic below is the best with the nubbin intact (It's a version of the one already posted taken direct from the .bik and with raised contrast)

Modifié par Mobius-Silent, 27 mai 2012 - 11:44 .

[Deltakarma]

I am jealous of your skills in paint/whatever programs you use. Those perfect ovals.... ooooooooh......

Also, I think Shepard is somewhere in the middle if possible. I dont know, it seems like the only thing people never thought of. I am sort of neutral on them both since I dont really want to ruin things and say he was actually on the Crucible when I believe he was on the Citadel. I dont want to go into detail why, just dont want to lose what little credit I have for the ending in deciding one towards the other.

[Mobius-Silent]

EpyonX3 wrote...


It goes along this long narrow path. That path does not line up with the Control Room if it were to land right on top of it. The notch would actually be in the way.


Other than that I'd be ready to revise my theory because in both scenarios, the decision chamber is still from the crucible and not the citadel.

Not sure what you mean here by "notch" do you mean the long vertical plates? They are fixed size assets that are reused all over the place, anything out-of-visual-range is just for convenience sake, the only reason that platform is the depth it is it to allow the central shaft to pass beyond visual range

Do you mean this:

Modifié par Mobius-Silent, 27 mai 2012 - 11:40 .

[EpyonX3]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

The mystery nubbin _could_ _maybe_ fold out into the prongs holding the control/destroy consoles, but no more than that. The pick below is the best with the nubbin intact (It's a version of the one already posted taken direct from the .bik and with raised contrast)

Epic. Can you produce an image with just the lower left image.

Also, interesting thought about the column turning into the bottom prongs. I just don't know about that just yet.


One thing is for sure, that obejct is no longer visible when the crucible docks. I'd like to know where it went.

[EpyonX3]

Chief Commander wrote...

Why should this be of importance? This still does not explain how he can survive all that crap exploding around him. Am I missing something?

If this is correct, it suggests that the crucible does more than we think. Not only does it provide the energy needed for shooting the out the space magic, it also provides the options. Knowing this, Bioware can very well say that the crucible can support an atmopshere and gravity all on its own.

[Mobius-Silent]

EpyonX3 wrote...
Epic. Can you produce an image with just the lower left image.

Mystery Nubbin from "Device_Complete.bik"

Modifié par Mobius-Silent, 27 mai 2012 - 11:55 .

[Shallyah]

The "object" appears to be the place from where the Crucible "beam" comes, just that the scales are wrong and in some images it seem to be sticking out more than in others.

It appears clear that Shepard is in the Citadel, however.

Modifié par Shallyah, 27 mai 2012 - 11:45 .

[EpyonX3]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...
Epic. Can you produce an image with just the lower left image.

Mystery Nubbin from "Device_Complete.bik"

Your the best. Thank you!

[Mobius-Silent]

I'm starting to warm to the idea of the central dais unfolding from the nubbin. from the underside you can see a notable difference between the "solid" citadel stuff made out of vertically sliding slabs and the spindly planks radiating out from the centre.

[EpyonX3]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

I'm starting to warm to the idea of the central dais unfolding from the nubbin. from the underside you can see a notable difference between the "solid" citadel stuff made out of vertically sliding slabs and the spindly planks radiating out from the centre.

It's certainly possible. I'm not dismissing that at all. The platorms where shepard is standing, the raising ramps and the control and destroy option could be from the crucible object and the rest is Citadel.

Hmmm.

[Mobius-Silent]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Mobius-Silent wrote...

I'm starting to warm to the idea of the central dais unfolding from the nubbin. from the underside you can see a notable difference between the "solid" citadel stuff made out of vertically sliding slabs and the spindly planks radiating out from the centre.

It's certainly possible. I'm not dismissing that at all. The platorms where shepard is standing, the raising ramps and the control and destroy option could be from the crucible object and the rest is Citadel.

Hmmm.

The big stuck out slab you see there is where Shep stands, thats definately Citadel, [s]he runs along the top of it for the synthesis ending and leaps into the beam.

[MegumiAzusa]

You can't be serious and still think these are parts of the Crucible. The proportions are all wrong. One of the "spikes" point to the Crucible has a higher width than the diameter of the part you think it could unfold of.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 28 mai 2012 - 12:23 .

[EpyonX3]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

You can't be serious and still think these are parts of the Crucible. The proportions are all wrong. One of the "spikes" point to the Crucible has a higher width than the diameter of the part you think it could unfold of.

Can you explain where that object went? There is no way that the object turns into the prongs we see ove our heads. You can see thet prongs connected to the object.

[MegumiAzusa]

It could have been ejected like all the other parts?
But what can be said for a certainty is that can never unfold into anything on the Citadel, only it would include some weird matter generator that generates its pieces from the vacuum of space.

[Mobius-Silent]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

You can't be serious and still think these are parts of the Crucible. The proportions are all wrong. One of the "spikes" point to the Crucible has a higher width than the diameter of the part you think it could unfold of.

It's a bit out but not far off:



Hang on, I have these as 3D models, I'll give it a go tommorow and see what I can do

Modifié par Mobius-Silent, 28 mai 2012 - 12:47 .

[EpyonX3]

Just had a thought. What if the object, I'll call it part b, flips around and the prong like things at the end are the arches that nearly touch the crucible.

There seems to be a hole in the middle of it if you look at from right to left. That hole is where Shepard Jumps through

[MegumiAzusa]

Not by much? You kidding, right? Also you have to add all the other things, not the prongs alone, connectors, other material etc

[Mobius-Silent]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Just had a thought. What if the object, I'll call it part b, flips around and the prong like things at the end are the arches that nearly touch the crucible.

There seems to be a hole in the middle of it if you look at from right to left. That hole is where Shepard Jumps through

I looked at that, but there are 4 nubbin prongs and 7 citadel-side prongs. *EDIT* correction: 8 so if they split... still the nubbing is anout 2/3rd the circumference needed to even have the bottom prongs make the wall of the nubbin

Modifié par Mobius-Silent, 28 mai 2012 - 12:50 .

[EpyonX3]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Just had a thought. What if the object, I'll call it part b, flips around and the prong like things at the end are the arches that nearly touch the crucible.

There seems to be a hole in the middle of it if you look at from right to left. That hole is where Shepard Jumps through

I looked at that, but there are 4 nubbin prongs and 7 citadel-side prongs. *EDIT* correction: 8 so if they split... still the nubbing is anout 2/3rd the circumference needed to even have the bottom prongs make the wall of the nubbin

I quoted just in time for your edit. I was about to say they are actually 8 and can split and arrange themselves, which is what that smooth platform they're all seemed be be connected to.