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[djwhitfield]

I think alot of people know that the Star Child is Harbinger.
I don't think that Harbinger is willing to give up his flock that easy.
Just saying.

[D24O]

djwhitfield wrote...

I think alot of people know that the Star Child is Harbinger.
I don't think that Harbinger is willing to give up his flock that easy.
Just saying.

Lotsa speculations for everyone.

[djwhitfield]

D24O wrote...

djwhitfield wrote...

I think alot of people know that the Star Child is Harbinger.
I don't think that Harbinger is willing to give up his flock that easy.
Just saying.

Lotsa speculations for everyone.

I did enjoy the control ending alot more this time I must confess.

But I really do think theres alot more to in that mets the eye.
I mean we been fighting against the Illusive Man all this time because his a complete and totally awesome phycopath, now all of a sudden his right and he has the paragon ending?

I honestly don't buy that imo.

[nitefyre410]

Just because his methods were wrong doesn't make his theory wrong... I.E just like Malen and the Genonphage cure if you keep it the data from his research.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 03 juillet 2012 - 11:51 .

[djwhitfield]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Just because his methods were wrong doesn't make his theory wrong... I.E just like Malen and the Genonphage cure if you keep it the data from his research.

We know that the Illusive Man has been indoctronated for along time though, both the Prothean AI and the Starchild said that the Illusive Man and his army were indoctronated. Meaning that anything he talks about or does cannot be trusted.

[nitefyre410]

djwhitfield wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Just because his methods were wrong doesn't make his theory wrong... I.E just like Malen and the Genonphage cure if you keep it the data from his research.

We know that the Illusive Man has been indoctronated for along time though, both the Prothean AI and the Starchild said that the Illusive Man and his army were indoctronated. Meaning that anything he talks about or does cannot be trusted.

   

There is no Indoctrination of  Shepard..

The ending are to be taken at face value.

[D24O]

djwhitfield wrote...

I did enjoy the control ending alot more this time I must confess.

But I really do think theres alot more to in that mets the eye.
I mean we been fighting against the Illusive Man all this time because his a complete and totally awesome phycopath, now all of a sudden his right and he has the paragon ending?

I honestly don't buy that imo.

Honestly, my Shepard hadn;t been fighitng him because he disagreed with his ideas, moreso because he disagreed with the method. I felt that although it isn;t a bad idea to control reaper tech, there was no time to reaserch it in the middle of the war.

[CrutchCricket]

TIM's motives for control were questionable. But his theory that control is a good thing was never wrong.

Being indoctrinated, he was doomed to fail.

Beyond that, he has no bearing on control.

Regarding the creation of new Reapers, the purpose of processing sentients was preserving their knowledge. But it's never stated if the organic component benefited the Reaper itself. I tend to think it has. When the holokid mentioned his creators he said they became the first "true" Reaper. That might just mean the first cuttlefish that actually did what his purpose dictated. But it might also mean the Reaper itself was more advanced. Typically in sci-fi a blend of synthetic and organic means better than both, so I would say creating any new Reapers still requires organics.

That being said we're no longer trying to preserve anything. So new Reapers could be constructed by harvesting non-sentients, particularly since we don't need them being "a nation independent", they're just another vessel for Commander.

[Master_Smurf]

BW gave me all that I wanted in the Control ending - damn close (no pregnant Liara) to my headcannon.

Just need to finish my Renegade to see if destroy will be as satisfying.

[iHorizons]

garbage

[Enthalpy]

You people are so nice and chill around here. Had to duck out of the Synthesis thread just now.

[djwhitfield]

nitefyre410 wrote...

djwhitfield wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Just because his methods were wrong doesn't make his theory wrong... I.E just like Malen and the Genonphage cure if you keep it the data from his research.

We know that the Illusive Man has been indoctronated for along time though, both the Prothean AI and the Starchild said that the Illusive Man and his army were indoctronated. Meaning that anything he talks about or does cannot be trusted.

   

There is no Indoctrination of  Shepard..

The ending are to be taken at face value.

I dident say Shepard was being indoctronated, I said the Illusive Man was,

[MerchantGOL]

Master_Smurf wrote...

BW gave me all that I wanted in the Control ending - damn close (no pregnant Liara) to my headcannon.

Just need to finish my Renegade to see if destroy will be as satisfying.

its not, not even close.

[Ericus]

CrutchCricket wrote...

TIM's motives for control were questionable. But his theory that control is a good thing was never wrong.

Being indoctrinated, he was doomed to fail.

Beyond that, he has no bearing on control.

Regarding the creation of new Reapers, the purpose of processing sentients was preserving their knowledge. But it's never stated if the organic component benefited the Reaper itself. I tend to think it has. When the holokid mentioned his creators he said they became the first "true" Reaper. That might just mean the first cuttlefish that actually did what his purpose dictated. But it might also mean the Reaper itself was more advanced. Typically in sci-fi a blend of synthetic and organic means better than both, so I would say creating any new Reapers still requires organics.

That being said we're no longer trying to preserve anything. So new Reapers could be constructed by harvesting non-sentients, particularly since we don't need them being "a nation independent", they're just another vessel for Commander.

I expect you'd get a few Reaper Cults forming across the galaxy, so there might be enough volunteers to create a new Reaper.  Even Paragon Shepard might allow that if it really was voluntary.  Messy, but hey, to each their own!  Harbinger could be come the high priest even!!!

[nitefyre410]

Ericus wrote...

*Snipe*

I expect you'd get a few Reaper Cults forming across the galaxy, so there might be enough volunteers to create a new Reaper.  Even Paragon Shepard might allow that if it really was voluntary.  Messy, but hey, to each their own!  Harbinger could be come the high priest even!!!

  

Paragon Shepard... Allow new volunteers for Reaper processing...

 


If any  new "Reapers" are going to be built they are going  completely tech based free of any organic  processing..

The will even come with a  label  "Oraginc Free" 

The New Catalyst  Prime goes against anything that the original Catalyst would do.

and Harbinger is going to be busy being Shepard -Catalyst person  bulter.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 04 juillet 2012 - 02:19 .

[CrutchCricket]

nitfyre there is a chance that Reapers being built without the organic component will be weaker than traditional ones.

This is unacceptable.

But this doesn't mean further sentient harvests. Like I said there's nothing to preserve, so you can melt down pyjacks if you so wanted. And of course we could also look at cloned tissue, produced on a vast scale, comes pre-melted.

Of course we would need a definite answer on the specifics of what benefits Reapers gain from their organic components.

[nitefyre410]

CrutchCricket wrote...

nitfyre there is a chance that Reapers being built without the organic component will be weaker than traditional ones.

This is unacceptable.

But this doesn't mean further sentient harvests. Like I said there's nothing to preserve, so you can melt down pyjacks if you so wanted. And of course we could also look at cloned tissue, produced on a vast scale, comes pre-melted.

Of course we would need a definite answer on the specifics of what benefits Reapers gain from their organic components.

 

I'm sorry , I did not clarify that statement was made thinking that Shepard would be thinking of ways to improve the  Reapers with harvesting oranics... put that wealth of knowledge stored there to use and develop some new tech.

[CrutchCricket]

Well the necessity of relying on any organic matter even if you're able to clone enough of it must be a nuisance. And of course I see Commander always striving to improve itself and the Reapers. So it is very possible that it will eventually (not sure when) be able to upgrade them beyond the point of still needing organic matter.

But if more Reapers are needed before that point it will do what it must. With the exception of harvesting sentients again. The situation would have to be critical.

[MegaSovereign]

djwhitfield wrote...

D24O wrote...

djwhitfield wrote...

I think alot of people know that the Star Child is Harbinger.
I don't think that Harbinger is willing to give up his flock that easy.
Just saying.

Lotsa speculations for everyone.

I did enjoy the control ending alot more this time I must confess.

But I really do think theres alot more to in that mets the eye.
I mean we been fighting against the Illusive Man all this time because his a complete and totally awesome phycopath, now all of a sudden his right and he has the paragon ending?

I honestly don't buy that imo.

He was right that it's possible to Control reapers. Sanctuary showed that he was making progress towards figuring out how to control Reapers.

The problem wasn't his goals, it was his the way he was trying to pursue his goals. He was literally sacrificing and experimenting on thousands of people just to learn more about Reaper indoctrination. And if he did actually control the Reapers, he would use them to secure human dominance.

Also, there is a Paragon and Renegade version of Control. The Renegade version seemed to be more in line to what TIM wanted, but not the paragon.

[D24O]

MegaSovereign wrote...

He was right that it's possible to Control reapers. Sanctuary showed that he was making progress towards figuring out how to control Reapers.

The problem wasn't his goals, it was his the way he was trying to pursue his goals. He was literally sacrificing and experimenting on thousands of people just to learn more about Reaper indoctrination. And if he did actually control the Reapers, he would use them to secure human dominance.

Also, there is a Paragon and Renegade version of Control. The Renegade version seemed to be more in line to what TIM wanted, but not the paragon.

There is that. But still, I never saw using them as tools to advance the galaxy as a problem. I saw the unethical experiments that may or may not work in the middle of a desperate war as a bigger point of contention that whether we should control the reapers or not.

[MegaSovereign]

The whole debate whether you should control or destroy the Reapers mirrors that of rewriting/destroying the geth heretics. In fact, they're pretty much exactly the same minus the scale.

[D24O]

MegaSovereign wrote...

The whole debate whether you should control or destroy the Reapers mirrors that of rewriting/destroying the geth heretics. In fact, they're pretty much exactly the same minus the scale.

Or the Collector base decesion. Except, lik eyou said, this one actually matters in the end unlike the other two.

[nitefyre410]

MegaSovereign wrote...

The whole debate whether you should control or destroy the Reapers mirrors that of rewriting/destroying the geth heretics. In fact, they're pretty much exactly the same minus the scale.

 

Thats before ME 3 interesting  because my first run through I always  rewrote them,  I just had guy instinct to read my canon Shep and blow the place up... and low and behold... It was flag needed to bring the Geth and Quarians to peace.  

go figure and I never read to the leak script nor did not I know anything about the point system till after Rannoch. 

D24O wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

The
whole debate whether you should control or destroy the Reapers mirrors
that of rewriting/destroying the geth heretics. In fact, they're pretty
much exactly the same minus the scale.

Or the Collector base decesion. Except, lik eyou said, this one actually matters in the end unlike the other two.

 

I though about that choice for a good 5 minutes... I really was really leaning towards wanting to keep it on my Canon shepard.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 04 juillet 2012 - 04:07 .

[nitefyre410]

*delete*

Modifié par nitefyre410, 04 juillet 2012 - 04:07 .

[D24O]

nitefyre410 wrote...


I though about that choice for a good 5 minutes... I really was really leaning towards wanting to keep it on my Canon shepard.

Yeah, it;s such a shame what they did with it.