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[Jackums]

Massa FX wrote...

Trying to understand control shippers. Under control you have infinite power... or seem to. But you have no body. No sense of touch, taste, or smell. You will never have a true human experience. You will never have children. You lost most if not all of what makes you human. That's desirable? Knowledge and advancement is worth loosing your humanity? Being a god is awful lonely. You'll watch everyone you know die.

You'll be utterly alone for eternity.

This isn't progress... not to me. It's sad.

AI do not feel. Problem solved.

[Massa FX]

That's exactly the problem JacksumsD. Shepard can no longer feel or be herself. How can being artificial be better than real? I guess that's my hiccup with this. Being human is a gift. Being alive is special. That's why synthetics are all trying to be more organic. The grass isn't greener on the synthetic side. TIM was willing to do anything for humanity. But under reaper control he desired to loose his humanity and become artificial. Then he fails and Shepard picks up the torch and drinks the bad cool aide? Becoming worse than dead. An abomination. An immortal that has lost herself.

I don't get synthesis either. Destroy is abhorrent. Refuse is worse.

(shrug)

[CroGamer002]

^Synthetics are already alive nor do they try to become organics.

[Seival]

Mesina2 wrote...

Massa FX wrote...

Trying to understand control shippers. Under control you have infinite power... or seem to. But you have no body. No sense of touch, taste, or smell. You will never have a true human experience. You will never have children. You lost most if not all of what makes you human. That's desirable? Knowledge and advancement is worth loosing your humanity? Being a god is awful lonely. You'll watch everyone you know die.

You'll be utterly alone for eternity.

This isn't progress... not to me. It's sad.

Control is tragic ending for Shepard.
You have to make sacrifices, but better on yourself then on the others.



Though, there's nothing saying Shepard can't have body like EDI.

EDI is still the Normandy, you know.
Shepard is now the Citadel.

Considering the Catalist is a collective mind of all Reapers, I think it will be more correct to say that Shepard became The Reapers. Which means that Catalist-Shepard is inside every Relay (including Citadel), Reaper, and Hask... (Catalist: "Citadel is part of me".)

...By the way. Did you see video I finished yesterday?

 

[Seival]

JackumsD wrote...

Massa FX wrote...

Trying to understand control shippers. Under control you have infinite power... or seem to. But you have no body. No sense of touch, taste, or smell. You will never have a true human experience. You will never have children. You lost most if not all of what makes you human. That's desirable? Knowledge and advancement is worth loosing your humanity? Being a god is awful lonely. You'll watch everyone you know die.

You'll be utterly alone for eternity.

This isn't progress... not to me. It's sad.

AI do not feel. Problem solved.

I believe that AI have feelings, but they just work differently than organics... I've written my thoughts on that matter in the updated OP.

[CrutchCricket]

Massa FX wrote...

Trying to understand control shippers. Under control you have infinite power... or seem to. But you have no body. No sense of touch, taste, or smell. You will never have a true human experience. You will never have children. You lost most if not all of what makes you human. That's desirable? Knowledge and advancement is worth loosing your humanity? Being a god is awful lonely. You'll watch everyone you know die.

You'll be utterly alone for eternity.

This isn't progress... not to me. It's sad.

Have you seen what kind of bodies the Reapers are capable of producing? You really think we couldn't have a near perfect techno-organic body to *ahem-interact, if we really wanted?

Oh and of course the whole indifference thing will kick in eventually. Disconnect from humanity isn't all bad.

[CroGamer002]

Seival wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Massa FX wrote...

Trying to understand control shippers. Under control you have infinite power... or seem to. But you have no body. No sense of touch, taste, or smell. You will never have a true human experience. You will never have children. You lost most if not all of what makes you human. That's desirable? Knowledge and advancement is worth loosing your humanity? Being a god is awful lonely. You'll watch everyone you know die. 

You'll be utterly alone for eternity.

This isn't progress... not to me. It's sad.

Control is tragic ending for Shepard.
You have to make sacrifices, but better on yourself then on the others.



Though, there's nothing saying Shepard can't have body like EDI.

EDI is still the Normandy, you know.
Shepard is now the Citadel.

Considering the Catalist is a collective mind of all Reapers, I think it will be more correct to say that Shepard became The Reapers. Which means that Catalist-Shepard is inside every Relay (including Citadel), Reaper, and Hask... (Catalist: "Citadel is part of me".)

...By the way. Did you see video I finished yesterday?

 

I don't remember Reapers being Mass Relays.

And Catalyst pretty much said, Citadel is its home.



Though then again, A.I.'s can multitask so I guess that's that.




And yeah, I've watched it.
It's a good vid.

Modifié par Mesina2, 06 juillet 2012 - 05:14 .

[Jeb231]

 find the idea for this ending really interesting.It's the most neutral solution since things seem to go back to their status quo, nobody is wiped out, the Reapers and the technology they have collected from the previous cycles isn't destroyed - there could be many things to be learned from gaining such knowledge.


Yes it's bittersweet and high risk but this is a great end to both Paragon and Renegade play through.

For paragons, the need of the galaxy is more important than Ego. Shepard has arguably been playing God the whole game anyway and what we've learned from his story is that if someone can control the Reapers, it may be him. You can create your fanfic after that. As a renegade, well it's the ultimate power.

It really depends on how you role play your character and if you believe he can handle it. And both EC epilogues are pretty cool.

Modifié par Jeb231, 06 juillet 2012 - 05:23 .

[Massa FX]

Crutch Reapers are the liquid remains of trillions of beings. Gross! Even if Shepard gets a EVA body she wont be capable of human touch or smell or new feelings. She only retains the consciousness up to the point of grabbing those handle bars. After that its 1's and 0's. That's not a winning thing. To me. Its a major fail.

@Seival Nice music vid. Thanks for sharing.

@Messina2 EDI sure seemed to want to be organic. Human even... So did legion.

[Seival]

Mesina2 wrote...

Seival wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Massa FX wrote...

Trying to understand control shippers. Under control you have infinite power... or seem to. But you have no body. No sense of touch, taste, or smell. You will never have a true human experience. You will never have children. You lost most if not all of what makes you human. That's desirable? Knowledge and advancement is worth loosing your humanity? Being a god is awful lonely. You'll watch everyone you know die. 

You'll be utterly alone for eternity.

This isn't progress... not to me. It's sad.

Control is tragic ending for Shepard.
You have to make sacrifices, but better on yourself then on the others.



Though, there's nothing saying Shepard can't have body like EDI.

EDI is still the Normandy, you know.
Shepard is now the Citadel.

Considering the Catalist is a collective mind of all Reapers, I think it will be more correct to say that Shepard became The Reapers. Which means that Catalist-Shepard is inside every Relay (including Citadel), Reaper, and Hask... (Catalist: "Citadel is part of me".)

...By the way. Did you see video I finished yesterday?

 

I don't remember Reapers being Mass Relays.

And Catalyst pretty much said, Citadel is its home.



Though then again, A.I.'s can multitask so I guess that's that.




And yeah, I've watched it.
It's a good vid.

Thanks

...Well, the original Catalist said that "Citadel is a part of me" and "Catalist is collective mind of all Reapers". Which means that Catalist "resides" not just inside the Citadel, but obviously inside each Reaper. Citadel itself is also a Mass Relay. So, each other Relay could be the Catalist's backup.

[Jackums]

I doubt AI Shepard would find it very difficult, with the vast amount of knowledge and extremely advanced technology that the Reapers possess, to create an organic-synthetic body in which it could enter, effectively regaining its humanity once again. Those who created the Crucible designed a way to allow for a synthesis, and they didn't even have access to the superior technology and billions of years of knowledge that the Reapers do.

It would theoretically be quite easy for Shepard to do so.

Massa FX wrote...

That's exactly the problem JacksumsD.
Shepard can no longer feel or be herself. How can being artificial be better than real? I guess that's my hiccup with this. Being human is a gift. Being alive is special. That's why synthetics are all trying to be more organic. The grass isn't greener on the synthetic side.

I think it would be more appropriate to say that synthetics wish to understand organics better, not become them.

But being synthetic, you wouldn't have that regret or horrible feeling you have towards Control right now, as you'd no longer be organic. I don't think any organic could ever comprehend how it would be to become synthetic, as no-one has ever done so. But I think it would be better to look at it like organic Shepard dying, and a new Shepard being reborn as an AI. Therefore your Shepard's life would end when s/he chose Control on the Citadel, and the AI Shepard would be more like a clone, child, or reincarnation of him/her. It's not as tragic that way. It's also why a lot of people think Control is the Paragon choice; it's a selfless act of sacrificing one's self and becoming an AI for eternity, solely for the well-being of others.

Seival wrote...

I believe that AI have feelings, but they just work differently than organics... I've written my thoughts on that matter in the updated OP.

Yeah, we discussed this a while back. But the emotions Massa FX are talking about are quite different; organic specific, if you will. I agree synthetics have their own equivalent, but we're talking organic emotions here.

Modifié par JackumsD, 06 juillet 2012 - 05:29 .

[CrutchCricket]

Massa FX wrote...

Crutch Reapers are the liquid remains of trillions of beings. Gross! Even if Shepard gets a EVA body she wont be capable of human touch or smell or new feelings. She only retains the consciousness up to the point of grabbing those handle bars. After that its 1's and 0's. That's not a winning thing. To me. Its a major fail.
 

What does a Reaper's physical form have anything to do with it? And why would I restrict myself merely to a robotic body when I can create techno-organics, hybrids. Things like husks or collectors, only less body horror obviously. I have the combined knowledge of eons of past cycles at my command. I have all the organic and synthetic matter I could ever want. I could create an army of nearly perfect Shepards with full sensory capabilities (and more).

Physical form isn't as relevant as you think. Check the sig.

[Massa FX]

Oh and thanks control shippers! You guys haven't been abusive to me because I have a different viewpoint. This is rare on BSN.

[Seival]

Massa FX wrote...

Oh and thanks control shippers! You guys haven't been abusive to me because I have a different viewpoint. This is rare on BSN.

You are welcome

[nitefyre410]

Massa FX wrote...

That's exactly the problem JacksumsD. Shepard can no longer feel or be herself. How can being artificial be better than real? I guess that's my hiccup with this. Being human is a gift. Being alive is special. That's why synthetics are all trying to be more organic. The grass isn't greener on the synthetic side. TIM was willing to do anything for humanity. But under reaper control he desired to loose his humanity and become artificial. Then he fails and Shepard picks up the torch and drinks the bad cool aide? Becoming worse than dead. An abomination. An immortal that has lost herself.

I don't get synthesis either. Destroy is abhorrent. Refuse is worse.

(shrug)

  

Control is the only option that affects Shepard directly, it  does push anything forward before its times nor does force anyone else to make Sacrifice... One more body on the alter,  Shepards and its over after that, the war is over.  

The Galaxy has the freedom to move forward as it chooses 
The Geth and EDI can continue the path to their own future. 

and all it cost 1 life Shepards after all that  has been lost... 1 more life to bring it  to an end. 

Not that bad of price to pay  considering the countless lives from countless cycles lost to this current Catalyst maddness.  

Shepard losing control would like EDI  coming online  and killing the crew of the Normandy.  Her core function her purpose even after she was unshackled was to continue to be of service to Normandy... The same with Geth when you make peace with Quarians after all that time did they hold any malice...nope.  Geth = Servent of the People and what did they do of their own very will... went right back to work in the orginal functions.  

Modifié par nitefyre410, 06 juillet 2012 - 05:57 .

[Jackums]

Massa FX wrote...

Oh and thanks control shippers! You guys haven't been abusive to me because I have a different viewpoint. This is rare on BSN.

Friendliest thread on the Citadel! 

[CrutchCricket]

Yeah I like how chill this thread is.

[nitefyre410]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Yeah I like how chill this thread is.

 

Its all the blue... its a very relaxing color 

[Massa FX]

A very Garrus response nitefyre410!

[CrutchCricket]

nitefyre410 wrote...
Its all the blue... its a very relaxing color 

I agree:wizard:

[nitefyre410]

Massa FX wrote...

A very Garrus response nitefyre410!

 

Well I do try 

[TeasingJewel]

Just another support post here. Nothing to see.

[Jackums]

So, what is everyone's post-game headcanon?


I myself headcanon GodShep using Legion's old platform as a body, for nostalgic and sentimental reasons (Legion is my favourite character, if that wasn't already obvious). He then uses this body to communicate with organics, solve problems peacefully, discuss issues with political leaders, etc etc. I mean, Shepard would require a way of speaking with organic civilisation, otherwise he'd effectively be dictating galactic issues, which is not what my Paragon GodShep is about.

I have an image (wallpaper) that perfectly visualises my headcanon..

[nitefyre410]

 Well Headcanon... oh boy

1 month  after Mass Effect 3 

Mermory 

Shepard/Catayst  who I now call Sentinel and the Reapers are renamed Vanguards  finale makes  contact with crew of the Normandy as the rebuilding.  He give pas on Shepard final memories to Tali on Rannoch.   It hands over the collective historical knowledge of the not only  the  Protheans but the all the cycles pior to Liara and Javik. He also hands over a genetic  immune system booster for Tali and the Quarians... Shepards last gift to her.  Once done the crew sits that stame spot where  the Geth - Quarain war ended remembering and telling stories about Shepards life. 

[TeasingJewel]

My post game headconnon pretty much matches the literal ending of ME3. Shep becomes a Reaper and uses his/her badass influence to keep the other Reapers in line thus keeping the newly found peace that Shep worked so hard to achieve. This however is only one story of one of my Shep's.