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[CronoDragoon]

My canon ending is Destroy, but I just finished a Renegade Control playthrough and thought I'd pop in to say that, as expected, it was very interesting.

I especially liked the way they characterized the new Shepard to think of itself as a separate entity from the human Shepard. The way that it speaks of Shepard's memories, the ones he/she loved, her priorities, etc, made it seem like the new Shepard does not think of them in human terms like "memories" or "love." They seem to be codes of programming that dictate his/her directives and thus determine her behavior.

I found this very interesting because I think it draws a parallel to the Catalyst, the creators of whom instilled their values and hopes into the construct as codes of programming. The Catalyst then used its directives to draw a conclusion that was probably about as opposite from the creators' intention as opposite could be. It makes me wonder what situations could arise in the future that mecha-Shepard could interpet as being a "threat to the many" that the original Shepard would not wish to make war over.

Anyway, as I expected I still like Destroy more, but I find Control more interesting going forward, and believe that it would make the most interesting setting for a new Mass Effect game to have your party have to deal with a Shepard/Reapers that has corrupted the spirit of the original Shepard in trying to maintain the "logic" programmed into it by Shepard's memories.

[CrutchCricket]

Seival wrote...

Testing new animated Control Support banner:

Wow, got the whole speech in there eh?

Just pointing out a typo. It says "the women I was". It should be "woman". Singular, not plural.

[nitefyre410]

Reapers... are as sentient to me as worker bee or an worker ant. They can think but everything is to fulfill the purpose set fourth by the Queen

[CroGamer002]

MerchantGOL wrote...

so where dose this thread stand on the Suppressing the reapers free will argument

i take the "screw their free will" stance

Considering they were already under lead of that previous Catalyst while other alternatives are genocide of them and other synthetics or screw free will on everyone in galaxy.


I say, not exactly an issue.

[CroGamer002]

@Seival
Could make same gif, just instead of woman it's man?

Pretty please?

[Captain Kibosh]

"I'm commander Shepard and this is my favorite Reaper upload."

All the endings are just so ethically compromised, but I've gathered myself enough to choke down Control as my canon ending.

Even so, as I've said on other threads, control is ethically queasy because of the Shepard's newfound status of being the "big brother" to end all big brothers. At what point does Shepard-MachineGod's utopian vision become the rest of the galaxies dystopia?

[MerchantGOL]

Captain Kibosh wrote...

"I'm commander Shepard and this is my favorite Reaper upload."

All the endings are just so ethically compromised, but I've gathered myself enough to choke down Control as my canon ending.

Even so, as I've said on other threads, control is ethically queasy because of the Shepard's newfound status of being the "big brother" to end all big brothers. At what point does Shepard-MachineGod's utopian vision become the rest of the galaxies dystopia?

considering its programming isnow based off of shepards values and ethics, i say never...unless you wer eplaying the nastiest renagade psoible, but even then 

[Fiery Knight]

Massa FX wrote...

Trying to understand control shippers. Under control you have infinite power... or seem to. But you have no body. No sense of touch, taste, or smell. You will never have a true human experience. You will never have children. You lost most if not all of what makes you human. That's desirable? Knowledge and advancement is worth loosing your humanity? Being a god is awful lonely. You'll watch everyone you know die.

You'll be utterly alone for eternity.

This isn't progress... not to me. It's sad.

Indeed it's very tragic, but when you see the bigger picture, on everything that you accomplish with Control, that kind of thinking would be a little selfish imo. I mean, if I was put int that situation, I would glady sacrifice myself for billions+ people. Of course I would be very saddened that it would come to this, but when I see the bigger picture, I would gladly do it.

[Reofeir]

Seival wrote...

Testing new animated Control Support banner:

Now if only you make a male version then all would be great. Good job on puting the whole speech there, by the way.

[Therefore_I_Am]

Control ending seems to be the MOST suiting for a full paragon shepard.

[CroGamer002]

^It only suits Paragon.


True Paragon would never commit a genocide of friendly species.



Though Control is brilliant for Renegade, since speech changes with alignment and sounds like Catalyst Shepard is a dictator, unlike Paragon who is Guardian.

[Quackjack]

Just throwing something out to you guys
How can you trust Reaper-Shep
Isn't that unsettling in the least?

[Seival]

Mesina2 wrote...

@Seival
Could make same gif, just instead of woman it's man?

Pretty please?

I'll make it, but it will require more time.

...And here is the fixed female version:

[CroGamer002]

Quackjack wrote...

Just throwing something out to you guys
How can you trust Reaper-Shep
Isn't that unsettling in the least?

Because it's Shepard.


You can trust him/her not to be a genocidal maniac.


@Seival thx

Modifié par Mesina2, 08 juillet 2012 - 03:52 .

[Seival]

Mesina2 wrote...

Quackjack wrote...

Just throwing something out to you guys
How can you trust Reaper-Shep
Isn't that unsettling in the least?

Because it's Shepard.


You can trust him/her not to be a genocidal maniac.


@Seival thx

This.

[Quackjack]

Mesina2 wrote...

Quackjack wrote...

Just throwing something out to you guys
How can you trust Reaper-Shep
Isn't that unsettling in the least?

Because it's Shepard.


You can trust him/her not to be a genocidal maniac.


@Seival thx

I couldn't trust anyone with that kind of power. I mean he controls the Reapers, if something pops up who's to say he wouldn't think like them. Besides, that thing isn't Shep anymore, by it's own admission.

[CroGamer002]

Quackjack wrote...

I couldn't trust anyone with that kind of power. I mean he controls the Reapers, if something pops up who's to say he wouldn't think like them. Besides, that thing isn't Shep anymore, by it's own admission.

It's really hard to say if Shepard Catalyst is still Shepard.

But either way, it's based on Shepard.


And Reapers don't give a damn for harvesting and genociding.
They were just doing what Catalyst was saying.



Ignore Sovereign, that sh*t is retconned.

[nitefyre410]

Quackjack wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Quackjack wrote...

Just throwing something out to you guys
How can you trust Reaper-Shep
Isn't that unsettling in the least?

Because it's Shepard.


You can trust him/her not to be a genocidal maniac.


@Seival thx

I couldn't trust anyone with that kind of power. I mean he controls the Reapers, if something pops up who's to say he wouldn't think like them. Besides, that thing isn't Shep anymore, by it's own admission.

 

He can't think like that is not built into his core programing.  It the same with EDI - her core function is the service the Normandy crew...everything she does surrounds that.   

Shepard/Catalyst - can't and won't do that because it has  very understanding the orginal Catalyst lacked , which was understand what is important to organic life because it once was organic.   

May this will help. 

Is a diamond anyless made  of carbon than a piece of coal? 

[Quackjack]

Mesina2 wrote...

Quackjack wrote...

I couldn't trust anyone with that kind of power. I mean he controls the Reapers, if something pops up who's to say he wouldn't think like them. Besides, that thing isn't Shep anymore, by it's own admission.

It's really hard to say if Shepard Catalyst is still Shepard.

But either way, it's based on Shepard.


And Reapers don't give a damn for harvesting and genociding.
They were just doing what Catalyst was saying.



Ignore Sovereign, that sh*t is retconned.

And you trust the catalyst? Reapers are independent, I take Sovereign's/Harb'ys word over some space kid you meet in the last 10 minutes of the series

[Seival]

Quackjack wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Quackjack wrote...

Just throwing something out to you guys
How can you trust Reaper-Shep
Isn't that unsettling in the least?

Because it's Shepard.


You can trust him/her not to be a genocidal maniac.


@Seival thx

I couldn't trust anyone with that kind of power. I mean he controls the Reapers, if something pops up who's to say he wouldn't think like them. Besides, that thing isn't Shep anymore, by it's own admission.

Human Shepard died to give the birth to the new Catalist, who is Shepard in terms of the way of thinking and memories. But it's not a human being anymore. And I prefer to trust the new Catalist completely.

Modifié par Seival, 08 juillet 2012 - 04:04 .

[nitefyre410]

Quackjack wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Quackjack wrote...

I couldn't trust anyone with that kind of power. I mean he controls the Reapers, if something pops up who's to say he wouldn't think like them. Besides, that thing isn't Shep anymore, by it's own admission.

It's really hard to say if Shepard Catalyst is still Shepard.

But either way, it's based on Shepard.


And Reapers don't give a damn for harvesting and genociding.
They were just doing what Catalyst was saying.



Ignore Sovereign, that sh*t is retconned.

And you trust the catalyst? Reapers are independent, I take Sovereign's/Harb'ys word over some space kid you meet in the last 10 minutes of the series

 

The  Reapers are as independent  as worker bees.. 

Unfortunately  Sovereign and Harbinger were blowing smoke up our asses  to intimidate... like all good villans do

[Quackjack]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Quackjack wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Quackjack wrote...

I couldn't trust anyone with that kind of power. I mean he controls the Reapers, if something pops up who's to say he wouldn't think like them. Besides, that thing isn't Shep anymore, by it's own admission.

It's really hard to say if Shepard Catalyst is still Shepard.

But either way, it's based on Shepard.


And Reapers don't give a damn for harvesting and genociding.
They were just doing what Catalyst was saying.



Ignore Sovereign, that sh*t is retconned.

And you trust the catalyst? Reapers are independent, I take Sovereign's/Harb'ys word over some space kid you meet in the last 10 minutes of the series

 

The  Reapers are as independent  as worker bees.. 

Unfortunately  Sovereign and Harbinger were blowing smoke up our asses  to intimidate... like all good villans do

Really this all comes down to trust, I can respect your views of the ending, but I don't trust them.

See you later boys

[nitefyre410]

Later Quackjack hopefully we gave you some better insight

[Fiery Knight]

Mesina2 wrote...
Ignore Sovereign, that sh*t is retconned.

Makes you wonder what the point was with ME1.

[Quackjack]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Later Quackjack hopefully we gave you some better insight

Thanks, im a destroyer but I like to view other endings, for the lulz
Honestly I can respect Control and Refuse but Syntheis, no way in hell