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[Ageless Face]

Examurai1 wrote...

 Hey everyone! I'm late to the party but I approve of this thread  
Complete support, but there is something i'd like to ask. Noob question, but how do I add one of those banners into my signature below?
Being trying to find instructions on how but can't find it anywhere, any instructions would be nice 

Welcome Examurai1 

Copy one of the banners, then go to Profile/Forum settings. Then paste the banner in the Signature. Will do the trick.

Modifié par HagarIshay, 17 juillet 2012 - 12:21 .

[Examurai]

HagarIshay wrote...

Examurai1 wrote...

 Hey everyone! I'm late to the party but I approve of this thread  
Complete support, but there is something i'd like to ask. Noob question, but how do I add one of those banners into my signature below?
Being trying to find instructions on how but can't find it anywhere, any instructions would be nice 

Welcome Examurai1 

Copy one of the banners, then go to Profile/Forum settings. Then paste the banner in the Signature. Will do the trick.

Thanks

[nitefyre410]

Examurai1 wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

Examurai1 wrote...

 Hey everyone! I'm late to the party but I approve of this thread  
Complete support, but there is something i'd like to ask. Noob question, but how do I add one of those banners into my signature below?
Being trying to find instructions on how but can't find it anywhere, any instructions would be nice 

Welcome Examurai1 

Copy one of the banners, then go to Profile/Forum settings. Then paste the banner in the Signature. Will do the trick.

 


Thanks

 


Welcome 

[Ericus]

pirate1802 wrote...

Seival wrote...

Yes, we just have different points of view on the matter, and we shouldn't try to convince each other. And it's really great that each ending provoke so many different debates. The endings really force us to think, even after EC. BioWare did the great job

Agreed. At the risk of getting lynched, I'd say I like how bioware gave us 3 (or 4 after EC) each with its benefits and failings, and no 100% win ending. And I really like how people with different moral/psychological/whatever orientations are attracted towards different endings

I think this is exactly the type of discussion Bioware was hoping would happen after the original endings.  Thankfully the EC endings are fleshed-out well enough to allow for some really interesting debates.

Modifié par Ericus, 17 juillet 2012 - 01:27 .

[Seival]

Examurai1 wrote...

 Hey everyone! I'm late to the party but I approve of this thread  
Complete support, but there is something i'd like to ask. Noob question, but how do I add one of those banners into my signature below?
Being trying to find instructions on how but can't find it anywhere, any instructions would be nice 

Welcome

You can add banner to your signature by typing the following in the signature field:
"["img"]"path to the image"["/img"]" (without quotes of course). And you can copy-paste path to the image from its properties, which you can access by right-clicking on the banner.

Modifié par Seival, 17 juillet 2012 - 07:00 .

[Ageless Face]

Okay, so I've entered into an interesting debate.

Can STRC (Shepard the reaper controller) have a malfunction in his/her... Many years to live? It seems inevitable it'll happen now when I think about it. If it'll happen it will most likely be in many years from now. But does it have to be? Do you think there is a way to prevent it?

Until it will the galaxy will either kill each other or will be able to handle the threat themselves. But still, Kind of sucks if it will happen.

It's just something that made me wonder.

[Seival]

HagarIshay wrote...

Okay, so I've entered into an interesting debate.

Can STRC (Shepard the reaper controller) have a malfunction in his/her... Many years to live? It seems inevitable it'll happen now when I think about it. If it'll happen it will most likely be in many years from now. But does it have to be? Do you think there is a way to prevent it?

Until it will the galaxy will either kill each other or will be able to handle the threat themselves. But still, Kind of sucks if it will happen.

It's just something that made me wonder.

Well, I believe the Trilogy clearly states that Reaper tech is free of any weaknesses. The Reapers need no supply lines, no food, they don't age etc. The same goes for the Catalist, because the Catalist and the Reapers are the organic whole. So, I think the malfunction is impossible.

[Ageless Face]

Seival wrote...
Well, I believe the Trilogy clearly states that Reaper tech is free of any weaknesses. The Reapers need no supply lines, no food, they don't age etc. The same goes for the Catalist, because the Catalist and the Reapers are the organic whole. So, I think the malfunction is impossible.

Well, yeah. But the same can be said about the Geth, or EDI. Or any other synthetic. We all know they can have problems.

[Seival]

HagarIshay wrote...

Seival wrote...
Well, I believe the Trilogy clearly states that Reaper tech is free of any weaknesses. The Reapers need no supply lines, no food, they don't age etc. The same goes for the Catalist, because the Catalist and the Reapers are the organic whole. So, I think the malfunction is impossible.

Well, yeah. But the same can be said about the Geth, or EDI. Or any other synthetic. We all know they can have problems.

I believe that regular synthetics like Geth or EDI can maintain themselves pretty well. They just need to refresh their parts when needed. And I'm sure it's already a usual part of their self-preservation instinct.

[Ageless Face]

I don't know. It's just doesn't seem possible nothing bad will happen. That synthetic lives are immune to such problems as malfunctions. Even the repers can't be totally invincible to this kinds of stuff. Even the catalyst has it's problems. He was created with them, sure. But still...

[Lord Goose]

Reapers, Citadel and Mass Relay network were fine for... well, billion of years without much problem.

[Lord Goose]

Reapers, Citadel and Mass Relay network were fine for... well, billion of years without much problem.

[Ageless Face]

But will they work forever without a single problem in them? Do they no faults inside their cores? How can someone build something perfectly? It's not possible. Even for reapers.

[PlumPaul93]

Seival wrote...

Just finished male version, and fixed some issues in both banners:





...Can anyone post here Renegade version of the Control speech please?

9 days old, but just saw this, thanks.

[Seival]

HagarIshay wrote...

But will they work forever without a single problem in them? Do they no faults inside their cores? How can someone build something perfectly? It's not possible. Even for reapers.

In sci-fi universe everything is possible...

...There is a wise saying about this: The best way to predict the future is to invent it. This is what any true sci-fi do. Inventing the future, rise and resolve different possible problems we might face. Provide us with tests and riddles. Explains that there might be no easy solutions to some major problems, and tough decisions will be required to solve those. True sci-fi is phylosophical in its core. The main focus of a sci-fi story is not about "how will they live long and happy", but about rising phylosophical questions, and answering them... So, don't worry about some hypothetical malfunction. This is not what really matters

[Ageless Face]

Sci-Fi in not magic. Science fiction suppose to be based on science. Things that are possible. Perfectism is never possible. If that was the case, then Reapers would be unkillable. Mass relays will never explode. The Citadel will never be threatend. The Crucible would have been useless. There would have been no way to beat the reapers.

I'm also not usually into the technical matters. Certaintly not the main reason I like Mass Effect. But that is also imprtant. If you ignore the science in science fiction, then you are making your game future fantasy. As much as I like fantasy, I think you can't build a future with it. Think about it. If it will go on like that, In a few years, Sci-Fi writers will have witches and unicorns in their story

[Seival]

HagarIshay wrote...

Sci-Fi in not magic. Science fiction suppose to be based on science. Things that are possible. Perfectism is never possible. If that was the case, then Reapers would be unkillable. Mass relays will never explode. The Citadel will never be threatend. The Crucible would have been useless. There would have been no way to beat the reapers.

I'm also not usually into the technical matters. Certaintly not the main reason I like Mass Effect. But that is also imprtant. If you ignore the science in science fiction, then you are making your game future fantasy. As much as I like fantasy, I think you can't build a future with it. Think about it. If it will go on like that, In a few years, Sci-Fi writers will have witches and unicorns in their story

I think that The Reapers are unkillable actually. And the main focus of the story is not about dealing with the "Reapers from the Darkspace", but about dealing with the "Reapers inside ourselves". You can't kill the "Reapers inside you". You can Control them, try to Run Away from them, or try to Change them. But can't get rid of them completely. And if you just refuse to exist with them, you just prove that you don't care about the existance and evolution... Nothing comes easy...

...I hope I didn't became too phylosophical

...Sci-fi is based on science indeed. But it's not about the science.

[Seival]

...In other words, I find "Testing Ground and the Gate Keeper" summary left by one of the fans here quite comprehensive view of the entire ME Trilogy. I really can't call ME Trilogy a videogame. It's a Sci-Fi Book, and this Book is Beautiful

[nitefyre410]

Seival wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

Sci-Fi in not magic. Science fiction suppose to be based on science. Things that are possible. Perfectism is never possible. If that was the case, then Reapers would be unkillable. Mass relays will never explode. The Citadel will never be threatend. The Crucible would have been useless. There would have been no way to beat the reapers.

I'm also not usually into the technical matters. Certaintly not the main reason I like Mass Effect. But that is also imprtant. If you ignore the science in science fiction, then you are making your game future fantasy. As much as I like fantasy, I think you can't build a future with it. Think about it. If it will go on like that, In a few years, Sci-Fi writers will have witches and unicorns in their story

I think that The Reapers are unkillable actually. And the main focus of the story is not about dealing with the "Reapers from the Darkspace", but about dealing with the "Reapers inside ourselves". You can't kill the "Reapers inside you". You can Control them, try to Run Away from them, or try to Change them. But can't get rid of them completely. And if you just refuse to exist with them, you just prove that you don't care about the existance and evolution... Nothing comes easy...

...I hope I didn't became too phylosophical
  
...Sci-fi is based on science indeed. But it's not about the science.

 

It depends on where it falls on the good ole  Moh  scale of Sci-Fi  Hardness     

Most of the long  running series  hold be the between 2 and  3 but Stars Wars  falls definately as soft sci-fi. Mass Effect falls under 3 but with the Synthesis Ending...man I don't know 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 18 juillet 2012 - 12:05 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

It is a better ending than destroy. At least you get closure. And your StarShepard can be a tyrant, now, too! That in and of itself is cool.

Now if you have a renegade Control banner for femShep anywhere I'll use it.

[MetioricTest]

One thing that always irks me about control is this:

If the Catalyst knows his solution won't work (he admits this himself) and is content to let Shepard take over control... Why does he insist that Shepard has to use the Crucible and die? Why can't he just ask Shepard what he wants to do an then do it himself? Seems like a waste to just blast the Crucible for no reason and kill a guy.

The real answer to this is that the Catalyst is badly written.

But the "trying to make sense of it all" answer is that it knows the AI based on Shepard's mind won't actually do what Shepard the human will want to do. (For example, it won't decide to destroy or weaken the Reapers)

In which case it's not "control" at all. It's "Create a new Catalyst AI who instead of starchild is a little bit more like Shepard."

And considering I dislike Starchild... **** that ****.

It also then becomes "Create your own fanfiction of what this Catalyst/Shep hybrid would be like."... Which for me is a terrible ending because I don't working with baseless assumptions. I don't have a clue what it would do because I have no idea what the character is like.

And the one thing I would WANT it to do (Download information other than potentially dangerous stuff and transmit it to Garrus. Then blow yourselves all up to pieces in way that will leave nothing behind) is one of the few things they directly say can't/won't happen. So I'm left with nothing.

Modifié par MetioricTest, 18 juillet 2012 - 12:36 .

[nitefyre410]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

It is a better ending than destroy. At least you get closure. And your StarShepard can be a tyrant, now, too! That in and of itself is cool.

Now if you have a renegade Control banner for femShep anywhere I'll use it.

 







Take your pick... 

[Ageless Face]

Seival wrote...
I think that The Reapers are unkillable actually. And the main focus of the story is not about dealing with the "Reapers from the Darkspace", but about dealing with the "Reapers inside ourselves". You can't kill the "Reapers inside you". You can Control them, try to Run Away from them, or try to Change them. But can't get rid of them completely. And if you just refuse to exist with them, you just prove that you don't care about the existance and evolution... Nothing comes easy...

...I hope I didn't became too phylosophical

...Sci-fi is based on science indeed. But it's not about the science.

Philosophically, sure. But literally reapers are killable.

There are Sci-Fi based on science. I'll never read them though, it was hard for me to get into light science fiction in the first place. And if we are talking about Mass Effect, then it's true. The game is more philosophical than scientific. But just because your goal is philosophy, doesn't mean you should think that the game is not about the science. If you do so, then synthesis can be looked like it makes all the sense in the galaxy to happen. In truth, there are some logical problems to it.

Anyway, my point is, that while Mass Effect kind of Sci-Fi may not want to focus on the science, there are certain things it needs to take into account, not ignore them. Because as I said, you might as well just call it fiction.

Modifié par HagarIshay, 18 juillet 2012 - 08:15 .

[Ageless Face]

MetioricTest wrote...

One thing that always irks me about control is this:

If the Catalyst knows his solution won't work (he admits this himself) and is content to let Shepard take over control... Why does he insist that Shepard has to use the Crucible and die? Why can't he just ask Shepard what he wants to do an then do it himself? Seems like a waste to just blast the Crucible for no reason and kill a guy.

The real answer to this is that the Catalyst is badly written.

But the "trying to make sense of it all" answer is that it knows the AI based on Shepard's mind won't actually do what Shepard the human will want to do. (For example, it won't decide to destroy or weaken the Reapers)

In which case it's not "control" at all. It's "Create a new Catalyst AI who instead of starchild is a little bit more like Shepard."

And considering I dislike Starchild... **** that ****.

It also then becomes "Create your own fanfiction of what this Catalyst/Shep hybrid would be like."... Which for me is a terrible ending because I don't working with baseless assumptions. I don't have a clue what it would do because I have no idea what the character is like.

And the one thing I would WANT it to do (Download information other than potentially dangerous stuff and transmit it to Garrus. Then blow yourselves all up to pieces in way that will leave nothing behind) is one of the few things they directly say can't/won't happen. So I'm left with nothing.

It's Because the catalyst is an AI that is follows his orders. He can't decide doing another solution, the best he can do is present another solution to someone else, so s/he may do it. 

Modifié par HagarIshay, 18 juillet 2012 - 09:08 .

[Seival]

HagarIshay wrote...

Seival wrote...
I think that The Reapers are unkillable actually. And the main focus of the story is not about dealing with the "Reapers from the Darkspace", but about dealing with the "Reapers inside ourselves". You can't kill the "Reapers inside you". You can Control them, try to Run Away from them, or try to Change them. But can't get rid of them completely. And if you just refuse to exist with them, you just prove that you don't care about the existance and evolution... Nothing comes easy...

...I hope I didn't became too phylosophical

...Sci-fi is based on science indeed. But it's not about the science.

Philosophically, sure. But literally reapers are killable.

There are Sci-Fi based on science. I'll never read them though, it was hard for me to get into light science fiction in the first place. And if we are talking about Mass Effect, then it's true. The game is more philosophical than scientific. But just because your goal is philosophy, doesn't mean you should think that the game is not about the science. If you do so, then synthesis can be looked like it makes all the sense in the galaxy to happen. In truth, there are some logical problems to it.

Anyway, my point is, that while Mass Effect kind of Sci-Fi may not want to focus on the science, there are certain things it needs to take into account, not ignore them. Because as I said, you might as well just call it fiction.

Well, yes, even when the main focus of a story is phylosophical, it still has to have other interesting things in order to be really good. Any good story must be both instructive and interesting. And ME Trilogy is exactly that kind of story - instructive and interesting at the same time.

...Anyhow, I believe that philosophical meaning of The Reapers and their physical meaning are almost the same.