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[Seival]

HagarIshay wrote...

O.o

I'm pretty sure Asari can't have sex with AIs.

Hmm... And what if they can? Maybe it's another way to have the Synthesis effect (but very small and local)?

Asari + any intelligent organic creature = another organic Asari.
Asari + any intelligent synthetic creature = half-organic Asari.

[Seival]

...I believe that if I'll keep thinking about this, I'll start to talk about my Shepard's Asari doughter dream again. And in this particular case about Calalist-Shepard's and Liara's Asari doughter

[Seival]

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

In Control, could Shepard do something similar to EDI and use a mobie platform or something?

Well, Shepard-Catalist already has millions of mobile platforms. I think it can easily create one more which will be 100% synthetic, but look like human. But why should it use such platform when it can just use a hologram with Human-Shepard's appearance?

[Seival]

pirate1802 wrote...

Seival, according to my interpretation of synthesis, an AI would still remain an AI, but would gain sufficient complexity to mimic human emotions. Mentally it would be almost the same as an organic. Thats why We see EDI smiling and hugging Joker So EDI would retain her body and the Normandy but would be almost human in her mental functions.

Maybe. But personally I thought Synthesis means that all synthetics will become organics with the same new DNA as the original organics gained. So, I actually believe that in Synthesis all ex-synthetics and the Reapers will require food and become mortal (i.e. will require reproduction as well). Also I thought that the Reapers and hasks, which are originally just a mindless mobile platforms, will gain their own unique minds. And that's why I thought that EDI's mobile platform and true body might gain separate minds.

...Maybe I'm wrong in my interpretation of Synthesis, but it's still about changing everyone. I like EDI as it is, and I don't wanna change it. The same goes for everyone else.

Modifié par Seival, 21 juillet 2012 - 11:56 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

Seival wrote...

Maybe. But personally I thought Synthesis means that all synthetics will
become organics with the same new DNA as the original organics gained.
So, I actually believe that in Synthesis all ex-synthetics and the
Reapers will require food and become mortal (i.e. will require
reproduction as well).

We see synthetics with synthetic bodies still..

scyphozoa wrote...
and then all his old crew should fly around INSIDE of Shep.

O.o Implications.... unpleasant.

Shep could be like space-god EDI. Anyway, I was surprised with how positive and happy this ending was, I didn't expect it to turn out that way at all.

Control is supposed to be at the paragon end of the spectrum, for paragon sheps atleast; eventhough some people refuse to accept it.

Modifié par pirate1802, 21 juillet 2012 - 12:22 .

[Seival]

pirate1802 wrote...

Seival wrote...

Maybe. But personally I thought Synthesis means that all synthetics will
become organics with the same new DNA as the original organics gained.
So, I actually believe that in Synthesis all ex-synthetics and the
Reapers will require food and become mortal (i.e. will require
reproduction as well).

We see synthetics with synthetic bodies still..

Well, actually I have a theory about what might happen to all synthetic parts in case of Synthesis:
 - All external metallic parts became something like insect's chitin.
 - All internal metallic parts became bones.
 - All internal structure elements became organs.
 - Synthetics already have blood, but in case of Synthesis this blood became organic.
 - Artificial intelligence became organic intelligence.

But this is just my personal point of view of course...

Modifié par Seival, 21 juillet 2012 - 12:36 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

^That reminds me of the Bicentennial man, the robot who became a human through more and more "transplants" and finally died a natural death.

[Mydknightcloud]

Seival wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Seival wrote...

Maybe. But personally I thought Synthesis means that all synthetics will
become organics with the same new DNA as the original organics gained.
So, I actually believe that in Synthesis all ex-synthetics and the
Reapers will require food and become mortal (i.e. will require
reproduction as well).

We see synthetics with synthetic bodies still..

Well, actually I have a theory about what might happen to all synthetic parts in case of Synthesis:
 - All external metallic parts became something like insect's chitin.
 - All internal metallic parts became bones.
 - All internal structure elements became organs.
 - Synthetics already have blood, but in case of Synthesis this blood became organic.
 - Artificial intelligence became organic intelligence.

But this is just my personal point of view of course...

I Don't think that's how it happens. He said synthetis grow through understanding and organics grow through technology. so my thoughts are this.

-Organics become hybrids of synthetic and organic material. Brain functions can now be used to direct technoligy with a thought. In addition brain chemistry can now be decoded into something a synthetic can read. Humans can now pursue technology and share information at the same speed synthetics can. Learning can happen in seconds now. (similar to the matrix's "i know Kung Fu")

-Synthetics do not become organic in nature. The same synthetics are added to the overall structure allowing them to comunicate with organics the same way they speak to one another. With a direct link to the thoughts of organics they experience what it is like to BE organic. This changes how synthetics think and feel at a fundamental level. ("I am alive" )

Legion always said organics were A mystery to synthetics. He also said if they could gain a true understanding of how organics thought they could avoid war. With Organics being able to match the computational power of Synthetics and the latter being able to finally understand organics. Peace is possible.

That doesn't mean the universe is homogenized. It means sharing each others culture has become vastly easier. You can experience anothers culture and choose not to follow it. But the knowledge of that culture allows you to gain understanding of how the people who are a part of that culture work.

As far as the grass having synthetic parts. I think that is so when other lower lifeforms begin to evolve into sentience they will also be able to join the galactic community as well.

My opinion on synthesis.

I just wanted to add that here since some people are conversing about it. Sorry about the digression.

[Seival]

Mydknightcloud wrote...

Seival wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Seival wrote...

Maybe. But personally I thought Synthesis means that all synthetics will
become organics with the same new DNA as the original organics gained.
So, I actually believe that in Synthesis all ex-synthetics and the
Reapers will require food and become mortal (i.e. will require
reproduction as well).

We see synthetics with synthetic bodies still..

Well, actually I have a theory about what might happen to all synthetic parts in case of Synthesis:
 - All external metallic parts became something like insect's chitin.
 - All internal metallic parts became bones.
 - All internal structure elements became organs.
 - Synthetics already have blood, but in case of Synthesis this blood became organic.
 - Artificial intelligence became organic intelligence.

But this is just my personal point of view of course...

I Don't think that's how it happens. He said synthetis grow through understanding and organics grow through technology. so my thoughts are this.

-Organics become hybrids of synthetic and organic material. Brain functions can now be used to direct technoligy with a thought. In addition brain chemistry can now be decoded into something a synthetic can read. Humans can now pursue technology and share information at the same speed synthetics can. Learning can happen in seconds now. (similar to the matrix's "i know Kung Fu")

-Synthetics do not become organic in nature. The same synthetics are added to the overall structure allowing them to comunicate with organics the same way they speak to one another. With a direct link to the thoughts of organics they experience what it is like to BE organic. This changes how synthetics think and feel at a fundamental level. ("I am alive" )

Legion always said organics were A mystery to synthetics. He also said if they could gain a true understanding of how organics thought they could avoid war. With Organics being able to match the computational power of Synthetics and the latter being able to finally understand organics. Peace is possible.

That doesn't mean the universe is homogenized. It means sharing each others culture has become vastly easier. You can experience anothers culture and choose not to follow it. But the knowledge of that culture allows you to gain understanding of how the people who are a part of that culture work.

As far as the grass having synthetic parts. I think that is so when other lower lifeforms begin to evolve into sentience they will also be able to join the galactic community as well.

My opinion on synthesis.

I just wanted to add that here since some people are conversing about it. Sorry about the digression.

Well, those are actually my thoughts, but with the exception of "remained synthetic parts" and "added synthetic parts" are existing on much deeper level. Organics are partially synthetics and synthetics are partially organics on atomic level, they are not some kind of cyborgs. Which means that everyone became an alternate form of organics - different in appearance, but the same in biological and structural basics... New DNA - the same for everyone...

...And this is one of the reasons why I prefer Control. Control keeps Universe Diversity intact.

[Seival]

Just wanted to add. By "chitin", "bones", "organs", and "organic blood" I didn't mean their usual organic structure. I meant their new structure, with new "partially-organic partially-synthetic DNA" of course.

[Ageless Face]

Maybe the synthetics went through the Pinocchio transformation. Shepard was their good fairy.

I'M A REAL BOY!

[MetioricTest]

Not really all that relevant to control but Bailey says something that sent a chill down my spine.

"Yeah I'm just like everyone else. Losing myself in the things I can control."

[Seival]

HagarIshay wrote...

Maybe the synthetics went through the Pinocchio transformation. Shepard was their good fairy.

I'M A REAL BOY!

...Well, actually I think that was a relevant analogy.

Modifié par Seival, 21 juillet 2012 - 04:05 .

[Seival]

MetioricTest wrote...

Not really all that relevant to control but Bailey says something that sent a chill down my spine.

"Yeah I'm just like everyone else. Losing myself in the things I can control."

That is admissible if we are talking about a human being. But not admissible if we are talking about a super-advanced AI with unlimited processing power.

[MetioricTest]

Seival wrote...


That is admissible if we are talking about a human being. But not admissible if we are talking about a super-advanced AI with unlimited processing power.

And thus not Shepard in any form :/

[CrutchCricket]

MetioricTest wrote...
And thus not Shepard in any form :/

This again....

You really should get around to answering me in my thread.

[massassianscreedeffect]

Leafs43 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

[snip]

 

That's a nice image of synthesis you have there. Not quite sure why you posted it though. Seems a bit irrelevant.

Syhthesis is green eyes.  

No synthesis is blue eyes too. 

The Normandy survivors have green eyes, not blue.

Shepard has blue eyes after jumping into the synthesis beam. 

And get's promplty disintegrated, thus has no eyes when synthesis is complete.

for godess's sake people that is a photoshop husk shepard

[Seival]

CrutchCricket wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...
And thus not Shepard in any form :/

This again....

You really should get around to answering me in my thread.

...Plus read OP in this thread

[Seival]

Some time ago I was thinking about if Shepard-Catalist will keep the Citadel on the Earth orbit, or move it back...

...And now I think that it will be nice idea to build additional Citadels, and place one into each system with major homeworld (on the orbit of each homeworld). Each Citadel can be used as corresponding race's goverment seat, and a part of planetary defence system.

[Seival]

...Also it might be good idea to replace all regular Mass Relays with Citadels in the future. So each system will have a fully staffed port-gateway which is a Mass Relay at the same time.

[CrutchCricket]

I'm actually more inclined to believe Commander takes the Citadel away from organics completely. Even if it's not a direct threat, it's still a heavily advanced piece of tech, something that maybe they're not ready to explore in full. And its purpose as complacency bait is obviously no longer needed.

Yes, the more I think of it, the more I want the Citadel out of galactic society.

[Seival]

CrutchCricket wrote...

I'm actually more inclined to believe Commander takes the Citadel away from organics completely. Even if it's not a direct threat, it's still a heavily advanced piece of tech, something that maybe they're not ready to explore in full. And its purpose as complacency bait is obviously no longer needed.

Yes, the more I think of it, the more I want the Citadel out of galactic society.

Hide it? Well, I believe the Citadel is not really necessary part of the Reapers, and the Catalist can exist without it. So, isn't it easier to repurpose the Citadel to become just a Mass Relay plus space port and town? With no "additional functions". The Catalist will reside inside each Reaper just fine I suppose.

[Seival]

...Besides, Galactic Civilization can learn something potentially dangerous even from regular Mass Relays. And it's the Shepard-Catalist's task to ensure that all knowlege Galactic Civilization receives will not be used in some wrong ways.

[CrutchCricket]

Given that the Citadel turns out to be far more than "just a mass relay", what with being the "machina" in "deus ex machina" I'd say there's a lot of tech and systems there too dangerous to just leave in organic hands. They pose no threat to Commander, but you still don't leave guns around for kids to find, just because you're bullet proof.

Relays on the other hand, are just that, relays. It is inevitable organics will build their own or surpass them.