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[Ageless Face]

So tell me what do you think: Is Shepard turning into an AI-god completely awesome and well deserved or do you see it as a fate worse than death?

[Ranger Jack Walker]

People can say what they want about control. I pacified the reapers and Garrus made me a saint.

[Seival]

HagarIshay wrote...

So tell me what do you think: Is Shepard turning into an AI-god completely awesome and well deserved or do you see it as a fate worse than death?

Both, in fact... Control is the pure essence of bitter-sweet ending. That's one of the reasons why it's so awesome.

Modifié par Seival, 27 juillet 2012 - 08:55 .

[Seival]

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

People can say what they want about control. I pacified the reapers and Garrus made me a saint.

[Ieldra]

Seival wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

So tell me what do you think: Is Shepard turning into an AI-god completely awesome and well deserved or do you see it as a fate worse than death?

Both, in fact... Control is the pure essence of bitter-sweet ending. That's one of the reasons why it's so awesome.

Well, Control!Shep (what do you call that entity hereabouts?) won't see it as a fate worse than death because the immediacy of emotions has been lost. But there's full awareness of what has been lost.

[Carlthestrange]

Control surprises me. It has the least complaints, and the least vocal supporters. I guess because some seem it as an appropriate Renegade ending.

[CrutchCricket]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Well, Control!Shep (what do you call that entity hereabouts?) won't see it as a fate worse than death because the immediacy of emotions has been lost. But there's full awareness of what has been lost.

What is gained makes up for what is lost a thousand times over. And that's just for starters.

And we have many names. I personally like "Commander". It's a callback to Shepard but also fits the Reaper nomenclature of function as designation.

Carlthestrange wrote...

Control surprises me. It has the least complaints, and the least vocal supporters. I guess because some seem it as an appropriate Renegade ending.

Well in terms of complaints Synthesis seems to draw the most fire. I believe we handle the ones that do come up fairly well. And no ending is purely paragon or renegade. Each has its aspects. As for least vocal supporters, I think we're most at peace with our choice. Synthesizers must constantly defend their views and most destroyers and refusers I've seen are more self-righteous than the Pope. So there's that. We've even had a theory that blue is the most chill color so... it's all good.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 27 juillet 2012 - 11:00 .

[Seival]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Seival wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

So tell me what do you think: Is Shepard turning into an AI-god completely awesome and well deserved or do you see it as a fate worse than death?

Both, in fact... Control is the pure essence of bitter-sweet ending. That's one of the reasons why it's so awesome.

Well, Control!Shep (what do you call that entity hereabouts?) won't see it as a fate worse than death because the immediacy of emotions has been lost. But there's full awareness of what has been lost.

Yes, I meant "both awesome and worse than death" from player's point of view, not Catalist-Shepard's point of view. AI's feelings work differently. They just can't suffer or inspire in any way.

[Seival]

Carlthestrange wrote...

Control surprises me. It has the least complaints, and the least vocal supporters. I guess because some seem it as an appropriate Renegade ending.

Control Ending has 4 different variants actually:
 - Paragon, Krogan cured.
 - Paragon, Krogan not cured.
 - Renegade, Krogan cured.
 - Renegade, Krogan not cured.

...Well, and 2 variants of each above. One for female Shepard, and one for male Shepard. So, 8 different variants in total. No other ending has so much variants

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

HagarIshay wrote...

So tell me what do you think: Is Shepard turning into an AI-god completely awesome and well deserved or do you see it as a fate worse than death?

A fate worse than death, Shepard has to sacrifice everything to save the day, and dooms himself to become a machine.

[obZen DF]

It's like we are the 3rd party ending. Destroy and Synthesis are in constant discussion/war. We are watching the many.

[CroGamer002]

^Looks like it.

Not sure should I be glad or not.

[CroGamer002]

Seival wrote...

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

People can say what they want about control. I pacified the reapers and Garrus made me a saint.

[Lord Goose]

Is Shepard turning into an AI-
god completely awesome and well deserved or do you see it
as a fate worse than death?

It is definitely not worse than death. But it is still bittersweet. Although I'm absolutely satisfied with it, because it is appropriate ending for my character.

[Seival]

Lord Goose wrote...

Is Shepard turning into an AI-
god completely awesome and well deserved or do you see it
as a fate worse than death?

It is definitely not worse than death. But it is still bittersweet. Although I'm absolutely satisfied with it, because it is appropriate ending for my character.

I'm both happy and sad, but indeed completely satisfied, because Control 100% fits my Shepard.

[Seival]

Some more interesting thoughts about the Control...

...Remember how easily Reapers cured the Genophage (locally for Saren's Krogan)? And how hard it was even for Salarinas, who created it. If not that "back-up females", cure could be almost impossible to complete... So, just imagine what biological knowlege does the Catalist have. Shepard-Catalist can share information which will boost Galactic Civilization's medicine like thousands years forwards.

Modifié par Seival, 28 juillet 2012 - 04:15 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

HagarIshay wrote...

So tell me what do you think: Is Shepard turning into an AI-god completely awesome and well deserved or do you see it as a fate worse than death?

On some level I find it awesome that Shepard has ascended to godhood, if you may. Its a fate well-deserved for Shepard. But its also a reinder of what my Shepard was, and what she's become. She is no longer the thing she was, she could no longer be reunited with Liara  and I find it very sad indeed.

[Seival]

You know, I think even Reapers' Indoctrination ability can be used in peaceful ways. To cure insane or depressed people, for example. Indoctrination doesn't have to be a "nightmare-only". It will depend only on who and how uses such mind-control... Like a hypnosis. It can harm someone, but also can be used to cure some mentally ill people.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Seival wrote...

Some more interesting thoughts about the Control...

...Remember how easily Reapers cured the Genophage (locally for Saren's Krogan)? And how hard it was even for Salarinas, who created it. If not that "back-up females", cure could be almost impossible to complete... So, just imagine what biological knowlege does the Catalist have. Shepard-Catalist can share information which will boost Galactic Civilization's medicine like thousands years forwards.

Or what knowledge the reapers have stored in them. To throw it all away just because they are "abominations", I find it very stupid and frankly exactly how TIM describes Anderson: An old soldier stuck in his ways. Yeah maybe your Shepard views them as abominations but not mine. She'll choose to preserve them. Problem?

[DirtyPhoenix]

CrutchCricket wrote...Synthesizers must constantly defend their views and most destroyers and refusers I've seen are more self-righteous than the Pope.

I laugh when I see someone with a "I chose destroy because papa Anderson told me" banner in blue. They really do a good job deluding themselves into thinking destroy to be the true "paragon" ending.
The only time I laugh more is when I see the "I refused" banner.

[Seival]

pirate1802 wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...Synthesizers must constantly defend their views and most destroyers and refusers I've seen are more self-righteous than the Pope.

I laugh when I see someone with a "I chose destroy because papa Anderson told me" banner in blue. They really do a good job deluding themselves into thinking destroy to be the true "paragon" ending.
The only time I laugh more is when I see the "I refused" banner.

[Ageless Face]

Seival wrote...

You know, I think even Reapers' Indoctrination ability can be used in peaceful ways. To cure insane or depressed people, for example. Indoctrination doesn't have to be a "nightmare-only". It will depend only on who and how uses such mind-control... Like a hypnosis. It can harm someone, but also can be used to cure some mentally ill people.

Indoctrination is submission to the reapers. Not a cure for anything. Indoctrination for a perioud amount of time will even make you mindless. I won't touch that thing. More so since it can cause indoctrination to everyone around it, not just for the "insane or depressed". Besides, it won't help anything, will just make things worse.

[Seival]

HagarIshay wrote...

Seival wrote...

You know, I think even Reapers' Indoctrination ability can be used in peaceful ways. To cure insane or depressed people, for example. Indoctrination doesn't have to be a "nightmare-only". It will depend only on who and how uses such mind-control... Like a hypnosis. It can harm someone, but also can be used to cure some mentally ill people.

Indoctrination is submission to the reapers. Not a cure for anything. Indoctrination for a perioud amount of time will even make you mindless. I won't touch that thing. More so since it can cause indoctrination to everyone around it, not just for the "insane or depressed". Besides, it won't help anything, will just make things worse.

Well, we've seen indoctrination works that way, yes. But we also know that indoctrination is a mind-control ability. I think we can't just deny it can't be used for some good purposes. Radiation can kill a human, but it also can cure the cancer if used in a right way. Using mind-control to cure mental illness (like depression) makes sense. But this mind-control must be used very carefuly and wisely...

...Galactic Civilization clearly isn't ready to have such abilities. But Shepard-Catalist could use indoctrination to help some people, if they really deserve that help.

Modifié par Seival, 28 juillet 2012 - 06:31 .

[Ageless Face]

Seival wrote...
Well, we've seen indoctrination works that way, yes. But we also know that indoctrination is a mind-control ability. I think we can't just deny it can't be used for some good purposes. Radiation can kill a human, but it also can cure the cancer if used in a right way. Using mind-control to cure mental illness (like depression) makes sense. But this mind-control must be used very carefuly and wisely...

...Galactic Civilization clearly isn't ready to have such abilities. But Shepard-Catalist could use indoctrination to help some people, if they really deserve that help.

Indoctrination is soley based on the purpose of inslaving minds to work for the reapers. Indoctrination has a specific task. Maybe the reapers will be able to create another technolgy for medical help. But indoctrination itself is, well, indoctrination. Brainwashing.

You can't compare radiation to indcotrination. You can compare it more to mind tricks or something. Mind tricks can brainwash people (in this case, indoctrination), or get people out of a coma.

[Seival]

HagarIshay wrote...

Seival wrote...
Well, we've seen indoctrination works that way, yes. But we also know that indoctrination is a mind-control ability. I think we can't just deny it can't be used for some good purposes. Radiation can kill a human, but it also can cure the cancer if used in a right way. Using mind-control to cure mental illness (like depression) makes sense. But this mind-control must be used very carefuly and wisely...

...Galactic Civilization clearly isn't ready to have such abilities. But Shepard-Catalist could use indoctrination to help some people, if they really deserve that help.

Indoctrination is soley based on the purpose of inslaving minds to work for the reapers. Indoctrination has a specific task. Maybe the reapers will be able to create another technolgy for medical help. But indoctrination itself is, well, indoctrination. Brainwashing.

You can't compare radiation to indcotrination. You can compare it more to mind tricks or something. Mind tricks can brainwash people (in this case, indoctrination), or get people out of a coma.

...Or they can calm people down, inspire them, force some dire thoughts to go away, etc. All of this can be done with mind control tricks (when they used wisely).

Modifié par Seival, 28 juillet 2012 - 10:23 .