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According to the Wiki the majoraty of the citadel defence fleet was guarding other relays because they beleived Saren would never attack the citadel. They weren't just unprepared they were confused and that is what Sovreign drew on. Also no, the only models we see in the initial engagement are turian ships the artbook and wiki both refer to as frigates, which makes sense it's only a token force at the moment of the attack.
And when you say they only managed to defeat that one capital ship in the battle of earth you miss several key facts. As I've said off screen and according to codez and ANN information the turians took back much of palaven and killed a few capital ships on their own. Also we aren't seeing much of the battle, it was only a few minutes. Also that attck severely damaged it, possibly fataly and it was only being fired on by a few ships.
You can't call it shepard died because you don't want to. Shepard died=shepard is no longer alive is not an opinion it means the same thing.
Forget about the wiki. I remember What I've seen and heard in the game itself.
Turinas + Krogan on Palavan were "successfull" only against the enemy's ground forces. So they just managed to kill a lot of their "fallen comrads". This is not a victory or success. This is just a small delay.
A couple of Reaper dreadnoughts were most likely killed (if they were really killed) on Palavan by using some smart traps that will work only on the ground, and will not work in space combat... Something similar to "Tuchanka's trick", but in larger scale. And this didn't stop the Reapers on Palavan. It's just stopped their progress a little. Turian fleets had to retreat with heavy casualties in the end.
I can't tell that Shepard died, because the Reapers are under her control. She has to be alive to control them. Dead people are unable to do anything, because they not exist anymore. This is just simple logic
Let's not forget about it, because I remember exactly that being said in my last playthtrough a week ago and I have checked on youtube.
Actualy the turians were so successful in space to have killed a few sovereign class warships with daring tactics and actually forced the reapers to ignore them and move to the planet surface--in essence using palaven as a hostage. This suggests that they thought continuing the space battle would either fail or be a phyric victory. Unfortunately turians and krogan anren't the hostage type so they nuked the processing camps, if there were sovereign types on the ground those were probably hit, regardless they retook much of the planet. That is much more than a delay.
Your right it is simple logic. It proves then that shep isn't in control because he died. You have the burden of proof against you because we know that people die, espescially when they get their skin ripped off and then vaporised by lightning. We do not know that people can control reapers in a meaningful sense. And you have done little to convince me or anyone, that's why half of this thread is people tearing holes in your theory and the other half is you justifying it with nonsencical headcannon, logical fallicies and outright ignorance.
No cutscene shows turian fleets destroying several Reaper dreadnoughts in space. Everything that might be "said in news" can't be trusted literally. It way be just an attempt to rise people morale. But even if they did - this changes nothing.
The entire Trilogy says clearly: Reapers can't be defeated by Fleets or Armies. BioWare used "Deus Ex Machina" concept, and it was already set in stone. Nothing will change that, you have to deal with it.
Did you watch Control ending at all? Even in the current Control ending it's clear that Shepard controls the Reapers. And her first order was to stop the slaughter and fall back.
A cutscene dosen't show the turian fleets, the codex does and I refuse to ignore that whilst you push headcannon.
In response to your claim to Reaper invulnrability I submit this "You're just a machine, and machines can be broken" "We'll fight and win without [the reaper tech in the Collector Base}" Shep sure thought they could be killed. The time Sovreign died and the dead reapers on Jartar and the one shot in orbit of a brow dwarf all show they can be beaten, as does the many destroyers (the bulk of their fleet) that we destroy.
Oh and stop writing random sentences entirely in bold like you're saying it loud and slow.
Yes I watch the control endeing they fell back. Like they do in Synthesis, for all we know that's just what happens when the catalyst dies in any case or whatever guides the reapers now--like Harbinger or just a VI emulation of Shepard or some sort of rapid consensus or.... I think I've made it sufficiently clear that a change in behavior is not the same as Sheppard being in complete control.
All your clues are easily counter-argumented with each space combat scene that involves Reapers' dreadnought(s). More importantly, if the Reapers could be defeated without Deus Ex Machina, then it could be an option in the original ME3 ending. But it's not an option. And it will not be an option in the Extended Cut. BioWare already said that.
Catalist tells you about Control option, and it has no reason to lie. Control is Control... Not a "bored reapers", Not a "final order"... It is Control as any control must be: monitoring the situation and giving orders when needed.
You just can't understand Control ending... You remind me myself after I've just completed ME3 first time. You should stop hate the endings and try to analize them with clear mind. Hopefully, the Extended Cut will help you with that
It's not an option in the game because the writers dun goofed as the massive retake movement will attest. More importantly the cinematics are cancelled by the codex, considering we already have evidence of a miscommunication between the storyboardists (responsible for the codex and the plot) and the cinematic guys (who get paid to make awesome things to look at) If nothing else it proves reaper strength is inconsitant and you still have no answer to my point about the next cycle improving with the various data-troves liara provides.
"The catalyst has no reason to lie" Really he'd kill off sentient life a thousand times over but he's not going to lie to save his ass when the other two endings destroy him. Did the voices tell you that? Or was it the asinine headcannon you expect me to treat as actual evidence?
And for the last ****ing time stop being so condescending, I understand the the endings and I understand why you want the endings to actually feel like a victory, and unlike you I haven't had multiple people call me dlusional. I hope the Extended Cut will make things clearer too but at the moment all evidence suggests that no, most people dislike controll and for good reason. >:C
Retake movement was just a bunch of confused and angry people. I feel sorry for them... I was also confused and angry before. And I wanna thank all people who helped me to change my mind.
If Catalist was afraid to be destroyed, it could just leave Shepard to die in the lower chamber, anong with Anderson and TIM. Instead, Catalist saved Shepard's life. It has no reasons to lie. And it has no reason to fear anything.
I'm not condescending... It's just... like I gone back in time (when I was confused) and looked in the mirror... I'm sorry... I should did it sooner. But, better later then never I guess... When I started to think without anger or confusion, I realized that the endings' concept is actually great. It's just need much more details.
Modifié par Seival, 28 mai 2012 - 04:33 .
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