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[CrutchCricket]

Seival wrote...
...Well, and as I said I don't believe the "disconnect" you are talking about is possible. How many Cycles had pass before current one? And there was no "disconnect" of the original Catalist. How many Cycles could pass after, if this Cycle didn't stop the Reapers? I think that infinite number of Cycles without any "disconnect". The new Catalist has its own purposes, and I'm sure has zero reasons to "disconnect".

The disconnect is not just possible it's inevitable. I've explaind why several times. I've also explained what the difference between Commander and the holokid is and why the disconnect does not apply to the latter.

It's all in the sig...

[Seival]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Seival wrote...
...Well, and as I said I don't believe the "disconnect" you are talking about is possible. How many Cycles had pass before current one? And there was no "disconnect" of the original Catalist. How many Cycles could pass after, if this Cycle didn't stop the Reapers? I think that infinite number of Cycles without any "disconnect". The new Catalist has its own purposes, and I'm sure has zero reasons to "disconnect".

The disconnect is not just possible it's inevitable. I've explaind why several times. I've also explained what the difference between Commander and the holokid is and why the disconnect does not apply to the latter.

It's all in the sig...

Yes, I know. I've read your thoughts and find them quite interesting. But I disagree about "disconnect" and "hackable Catalist" anyway. Sorry 

[Seival]

estebanus wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

estebanus wrote...



I knda find it interesting what destroy and control represent in the EC epilogue.

Destroy hinges more on the combined species forming a better bond amongst each other. That no species will ever abandon the other again. Granted, there will be challenges, but nothing that they can't overcome. Hence Hackett's "Together, we can forge a galaxy greater than any one of us can imagine."

Control seems more like the reapers doing it all, which also isn't bad of course. It just seems to me that in that epilogue, the species don't really work together like they did during the war. It's like they just sit back and let the reapers do everything for them. Hence Shepard's "I will lead the many into a future greater than they could possibly imagine."

Synthesis... Well, I still can't figure that one out, and I probably never will...

Well, destroy is a more pro- organic choice. Control is more of a pro-new reapers. Or pro- AI Shep. I perfer the latter myself...

In destroy, the organics will find their strength through themselves. It'll take them longer, but they will do everything in their own time, without any outside help. Indepent. Every choice they make now, will be their own.

Control, the reapers will help carry the galaxy further. They'll bring the galaxy into a new age, new advancements. The galaxy will vastly advance with the reapers' help.

That's one of the fundamental reasons I chose destroy. Control may advance the galaxy further, but the galaxy didn't really "deserve" this, did they? I mean, it's not technology that they themselves earned. They got it from the reapers. Also, the different species of the galaxy will not form such a tight bond in control as they would have in destroy.

But then again, controllers get reaper racing.

Just wanted to remind on what will be all future development of Galactic Civilization based in case of Destroy most likely. On the dead Reapers' bodies. Each world will have tons of them.

My point is that you can stop the Reapers, but you can't get rid of them completely even in case of Destroy. I think it's better to have the Reapers alive and under right Control, than let them be dead and completely uncontrolled.

[DirtyPhoenix]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Learning it is fine. If you can learn it, it means you are ready for it (at its most simplest anyway).

You want to learn how to build relays? Go for it. Just don't expect me to hand you the schematics.

I'm with TIM here, if we can defeat an enemy, we earn the right to its spoils. The bigger the enemy, the bigger the effort to defeat it and the bigger the spoils!

P.S: I was talking for a synthesis POV here, sorry if I went tangent.

[CrutchCricket]

pirate1802 wrote...
I'm with TIM here, if we can defeat an enemy, we earn the right to its spoils. The bigger the enemy, the bigger the effort to defeat it and the bigger the spoils!

P.S: I was talking for a synthesis POV here, sorry if I went tangent.

Fine. You try and take down Commander then. If you win you get to keep all its toys.

Good luck:whistle:

[DirtyPhoenix]

CrutchCricket wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...
I'm with TIM here, if we can defeat an enemy, we earn the right to its spoils. The bigger the enemy, the bigger the effort to defeat it and the bigger the spoils!

P.S: I was talking for a synthesis POV here, sorry if I went tangent.

Fine. You try and take down Commander then. If you win you get to keep all its toys.

Good luck:whistle:

Hey but why would I want to take down the Commander, and even if I want to, there is no Commander to take down in my game. She sacrificed herself. :unsure:Unlike you controllers I don't have even an iota of her physical or mental self surviving.:crying:

[incinerator950]

pirate1802 wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...
I'm with TIM here, if we can defeat an enemy, we earn the right to its spoils. The bigger the enemy, the bigger the effort to defeat it and the bigger the spoils!

P.S: I was talking for a synthesis POV here, sorry if I went tangent.

Fine. You try and take down Commander then. If you win you get to keep all its toys.

Good luck:whistle:

Hey but why would I want to take down the Commander, and even if I want to, there is no Commander to take down in my game. She sacrificed herself. :unsure:Unlike you controllers I don't have even an iota of her physical or mental self surviving.:crying:

Technically you have a little bit of you in everyone.  Lol

[DirtyPhoenix]

Well yes, but not alive. Just like there is a little bit of Legion alive in every Geth but he as a whole is still dead.

[incinerator950]

pirate1802 wrote...

Well yes, but not alive. Just like there is a little bit of Legion alive in every Geth but he as a whole is still dead.

I was going on the lines of the Mini-Me joke at the end of the 3rd Austin Powers movie.

[Seival]

pirate1802 wrote...

Well yes, but not alive. Just like there is a little bit of Legion alive in every Geth but he as a whole is still dead.

Well, each ending has its own dire price. And one of the most interesting parts is in who and how will pay one of those prices. In case of Control, Shepard pays the price herself for everyone. In case of Synthesis, Shepard pays the price herself, and forces everyone to pay their own price as well. In case of Destroy, Shepard forces EDI, Geth and all people with vital synthetic implants to pay the price, while avoiding to pay the price herself.

Modifié par Seival, 01 août 2012 - 12:34 .

[fchopin]

Yes the illusive man was correct, if shepard chooses control he takes over starchild’s job and becomes the new reaper boss which will appear for the next race that makes it to the citadel to give them the 3 choices.

Control is replacement of starchild.

Modifié par fchopin, 01 août 2012 - 12:32 .

[Bushido Effect]

I'm controlling this board right now. You people just don't realize it. Reality can be a perception unique to ones mind. You'll never know really. Its Solipsism!

Is this BSN real? is your computer real? WHAT IS REALITY? ARE WE REAL? WHY DO WE EXIST? WHAT IS CONSCIOUSNESS? Are all possibilities already being played out in other planes of reality and existence, such as in multiple universes??  ie:  I have a different life in another universe.  I could be a pimp in one, I could be dead in another!   

:alien::alien:
AUUUUGHHHHHHHHH MY MIND!!!! *pulling hair out*     :o:o

Are we real?

Modifié par Bushido Effect, 01 août 2012 - 12:46 .

[Seival]

fchopin wrote...

Yes the illusive man was correct, if shepard chooses control he takes over starchild’s job and becomes the new reaper boss which will appear for the next race that makes it to the citadel to give them the 3 choices.

Control is replacement of starchild.

I'm afraid you didn't understand the Control ending. You should watch Control epilogues more carefully.

Also, you didn't understand that the Catalist is the Reapers' collective mind, not a "boss". I suggest you to use Investigate while talking to the original Catalist.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Seival wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Well yes, but not alive. Just like there is a little bit of Legion alive in every Geth but he as a whole is still dead.

Well, each ending has its own dire price. And one of the most interesting parts is in who and how will pay one of those prices. In case of Control, Shepard pays the price herself for everyone. In case of Synthesis, Shepard pays the price herself, and forces everyone to pay their own price as well. In case of Destroy, Shepard forces EDI, Geth and all people with vital synthetic implants to pay the price, while avoiding to pay the price herself.

Well, I won't exactly call it a price, as in something negative, but yeah, I see your point. Violating everyone's rights, playing god etc etc. That is why synthesis sits between control and destroy as far as the morality scale goes, although all the choices are pretty grey. And I'm definitely not sad that my Shepard is dead, she died trying to fulfil her lifelong goal, bringing synthetics and organics on an equal pedestal. Its just the nostalgia. Good girl.. she was with me right from ME1, now gone..

[Seival]

Bushido Effect wrote...

I'm controlling this board right now. You people just don't realize it. Reality can be a perception unique to ones mind. You'll never know really. Its Solipsism!

Is this BSN real? is your computer real? WHAT IS REALITY? ARE WE REAL? WHY DO WE EXIST? WHAT IS CONSCIOUSNESS? Are all possibilities already being played out in other planes of reality and existence, such as in multiple universes??  ie:  I have a different life in another universe.  I could be a pimp in one, I could be dead in another!   

:alien::alien:
AUUUUGHHHHHHHHH MY MIND!!!! *pulling hair out*     :o:o

Are we real?

You posted the joke in wrong thread. The only appropriate type of thread for such jokes is any thread about "IT" support

[Bushido Effect]

^^^^^^ What? I'm confused. I wasn't joking however. I contemplate on these things regularly. Studied philosophy in college, and love cosmology.

Were you saying I should've posted that in the IT topic, because its a "joke" or fake?  LOL..  I'm not a IT supporter myself FYI.

Modifié par Bushido Effect, 01 août 2012 - 12:57 .

[Seival]

Bushido Effect wrote...

^^^^^^ What? I'm confused. I wasn't joking however. I contemplate on these things regularly. Studied philosophy in college, and love cosmology.

Were you saying I should've posted that in the IT topic, because its a "joke" or fake?  LOL..  I'm not a IT supporter myself FYI.

Well, if you are serious, then you have even more reasons to post it in "IT" thread, not here.

This thread is about Control Ending, not some twisted delusions. No offence

[Bushido Effect]

Ok. But they're not delusions. They're serious schools and philosophies of thought. If you're calling it delusion like an atheist insulting a religious person, thats just rude. I don't do that to anyone regarding any belief. (I'm not religious myself)

[Ericus]

Seival wrote...

estebanus wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

estebanus wrote...



I knda find it interesting what destroy and control represent in the EC epilogue.

Destroy hinges more on the combined species forming a better bond amongst each other. That no species will ever abandon the other again. Granted, there will be challenges, but nothing that they can't overcome. Hence Hackett's "Together, we can forge a galaxy greater than any one of us can imagine."

Control seems more like the reapers doing it all, which also isn't bad of course. It just seems to me that in that epilogue, the species don't really work together like they did during the war. It's like they just sit back and let the reapers do everything for them. Hence Shepard's "I will lead the many into a future greater than they could possibly imagine."

Synthesis... Well, I still can't figure that one out, and I probably never will...

Well, destroy is a more pro- organic choice. Control is more of a pro-new reapers. Or pro- AI Shep. I perfer the latter myself...

In destroy, the organics will find their strength through themselves. It'll take them longer, but they will do everything in their own time, without any outside help. Indepent. Every choice they make now, will be their own.

Control, the reapers will help carry the galaxy further. They'll bring the galaxy into a new age, new advancements. The galaxy will vastly advance with the reapers' help.

That's one of the fundamental reasons I chose destroy. Control may advance the galaxy further, but the galaxy didn't really "deserve" this, did they? I mean, it's not technology that they themselves earned. They got it from the reapers. Also, the different species of the galaxy will not form such a tight bond in control as they would have in destroy.

But then again, controllers get reaper racing.

Just wanted to remind on what will be all future development of Galactic Civilization based in case of Destroy most likely. On the dead Reapers' bodies. Each world will have tons of them.

My point is that you can stop the Reapers, but you can't get rid of them completely even in case of Destroy. I think it's better to have the Reapers alive and under right Control, than let them be dead and completely uncontrolled.

I agree.  In Destroy, salvaged Reaper tech could fall into anyone's hands, setting off an arms race with the potential for a new war.  In Control, it's unlikely that Shepard would allow much, if any, additional Reaper tech to be handed over to the organics or Geth.  Paragon-Shepard would control the spread of Reaper tech to save civilization from itself, while Renegade-Shepard would control the spread of Reaper tech to ensure the Reapers maintained an advantage (not necessarily for conquest mind you).

The endings do support this idea.  In Control we see the Reapers helping to rebuild things as they were, but in Synthesis EDI clearly states that the galaxy surpases the achievements of the individual civilizations (using Reaper tech and knowledge).

[fchopin]

Seival wrote...

fchopin wrote...

Yes the illusive man was correct, if shepard chooses control he takes over starchild’s job and becomes the new reaper boss which will appear for the next race that makes it to the citadel to give them the 3 choices.

Control is replacement of starchild.

I'm afraid you didn't understand the Control ending. You should watch Control epilogues more carefully.

Also, you didn't understand that the Catalist is the Reapers' collective mind, not a "boss". I suggest you to use Investigate while talking to the original Catalist.

I am afraid that the catalyst says that reapers are his creations and he controls them and shepard replaces the starchild if he picks the control ending.
 
Therefore control means starchild replacement.

[Seival]

fchopin wrote...

Seival wrote...

fchopin wrote...

Yes the illusive man was correct, if shepard chooses control he takes over starchild’s job and becomes the new reaper boss which will appear for the next race that makes it to the citadel to give them the 3 choices.

Control is replacement of starchild.

I'm afraid you didn't understand the Control ending. You should watch Control epilogues more carefully.

Also, you didn't understand that the Catalist is the Reapers' collective mind, not a "boss". I suggest you to use Investigate while talking to the original Catalist.

I am afraid that the catalyst says that reapers are his creations and he controls them and shepard replaces the starchild if he picks the control ending.
 
Therefore control means starchild replacement.

In Control Ending the original Catalist was replaced with new one, which has Shepard's way of thinking and memories. Which means that the Cycles were stopped, and Shepard-Catalist will follow its own purpose instead of repeating the original Catalist's mistakes.

[DirtyPhoenix]

fchopin wrote...

Seival wrote...

fchopin wrote...

Yes the illusive man was correct, if shepard chooses control he takes over starchild’s job and becomes the new reaper boss which will appear for the next race that makes it to the citadel to give them the 3 choices.

Control is replacement of starchild.

I'm afraid you didn't understand the Control ending. You should watch Control epilogues more carefully.

Also, you didn't understand that the Catalist is the Reapers' collective mind, not a "boss". I suggest you to use Investigate while talking to the original Catalist.

I am afraid that the catalyst says that reapers are his creations and he controls them and shepard replaces the starchild if he picks the control ending.
 
Therefore control means starchild replacement.

Yes replaced by Spepard-catalyst.
"Through her thoughts I was created"
"Her purpose is now my purpose" (paraphrased)
"I will create a future of limitless possibilities"
"I will protect nd preserve, I'll act as the guardian to the many."

What gives you the impression that he/she will restart the cycle?

[fchopin]

Seival wrote...
In Control Ending the original Catalist was replaced with new one, which has Shepard's way of thinking and memories. Which means that the Cycles were stopped, and Shepard-Catalist will follow its own purpose instead of repeating the original Catalist's mistakes.

Yes but you said i was wrong before but now you say that i am correct that shepard died and replaced starchild.
 
I said nothing about what happens when shepard takes control but i will do so now that we agree that starchild was replaced by shepard unless you want to add enything.

[Seival]

fchopin wrote...

Seival wrote...
In Control Ending the original Catalist was replaced with new one, which has Shepard's way of thinking and memories. Which means that the Cycles were stopped, and Shepard-Catalist will follow its own purpose instead of repeating the original Catalist's mistakes.

Yes but you said i was wrong before but now you say that i am correct that shepard died and replaced starchild.
 
I said nothing about what happens when shepard takes control but i will do so now that we agree that starchild was replaced by shepard unless you want to add enything.

I said that you didn't understand Control Ending. And you really didn't. Let's see what did you say again:

fchopin wrote...

Yes the illusive man was correct, if shepard chooses control he takes over starchild’s job and becomes the new reaper boss which will appear for the next race that makes it to the citadel to give them the 3 choices.

Control is replacement of starchild.

And that was your misunderstanding of Control Ending. So, I told you that you didn't understand the ending. It's as simple as that

Modifié par Seival, 01 août 2012 - 01:50 .

[fchopin]

Seival wrote...

fchopin wrote...

Yes the illusive man was correct, if shepard chooses control he takes over starchild’s job and becomes the new reaper boss which will appear for the next race that makes it to the citadel to give them the 3 choices.

Control is replacement of starchild.

And that was your misunderstanding of Control Ending. So, I told you that you didn't understand the ending. It's as simple as that

Ok you are correct i did say that and i will try to explain why.
 
When Shepard picks the control ending he or she is no longer human as Shepard is dead as far as we know.
If Shepard becomes the new catalyst i would expect him to still have some of the feelings and thoughts while alive and stop the harvesting in the immediate future, how long this would last is impossible to say as there is no way for us to know what Sheapard will become after time passes and he joins with the reaper collective.
Shepard the new starchild knows that an answer has to be found quickly as the humans must never become more advanced than the reapers as the reapers would lose all the power they have without superiority of power.
 
The only options are to continue with the harvesting to stop the humans from inventing new advanced AI’s like it was before or try to find some kind of solution to synthesis.
 
The more time passes the more Shepard will become just another starchild and continue with the harvesting until another race makes it to the catalyst to get the 3 options or maybe more options by then.
 
You will ask why i believe Shepard will become another starchild and my answer is why would he not become another starchild, Shepard is no longer Shepard or human but an advanced AI or whatever he has become.