HagarIshay wrote...
Point still stand. Technology shouldn't not stopped from being created. So what if it's the Reapers who give the technology? What difference does it make? It's not like scientists and tech people won't learn from the tech. They will know how to create, how to do similar things, after a while they'll learn to create new things for themselves, from this type of high level technolgy.
Did they? Did anyone learn anything before? Let's look at species that have been around for a while, like the asari. Why are we, the upstarts that just came in 100 years ago developing ships that are just as good as theirs, when they've been around for millenia (and have hoarded extra prothean tech to boot)? And don't give me the DA or dreadnaughts in general, that's a political limitation- we just aren't allowed to build as many. The point is the asari have been at this for millenia and have learned nothing new. Everything is copypasta tech. Why? Because no one earned it. They just use it. And why shouldn't they? Why bother innovating when everything you want is already there?
Hell bring this closer to home. You have a computer. Do you know any technical details about what makes your computer run? Could you replicate it? Do you even care? No, because you just bought it. If it breaks, someone will build you another. The difference is while this individual level complacency is fine (not everyone needs to be a computer expert) it is unacceptable at the species level. You and I are not computer experts, and that's ok. But our species has learned and developed computer technology. And it continues to develop it. They didn't go to space Costco to get it.
And who said people will use the tech without understanding it first? Just because AI Shep gave the schematics to build a Reaper toy, doesn't mean s/he won't give instructions and information about it?
Precedent. Again, how much did people really understand the tech they were using before? And it came with plenty of instructions from the Protheans.
And there is a difference between the Krogan and other species. Krogan are violant by nature- they say it themelves. Wether you give them advanced technolgy or they will learn it themselves doesn't matter, they would have done so eventually. The other spiecies didn't seem to do something similar with the tech, did they? It's all about their nature. The salarians creating the genophage with their own technolgy proves that even if you have technolgy from someone else, or that you created, you can do terrible things with it. For example, Alfred Nobel created dynamites for mining, shutting down rivers and whatnot. But it was used more for killing people. You can't be "ready" for technology if someone else created it any more than you yourself created.
The krogan speak to a different aspect of this idea, a more general one really. It's not so much about technology itself as it is about mastering any sort of knowledge or skill. The point is that in doing it yourself, in working on your own to master something, you also gain the wisdom and discipline to use it. Take mastery of a martial art for example. A karate master can kill with his bare hands. But he won't. Why? Because the process he went through to learn those techniques also gave him the discipline of mind to not just karate chop the next guy that pisses him off to death. Now if he had simply downloaded karate training a la Matrix into his head, without actually training, that understanding would not have occured and this guy could be a menace.
That's what applies to the krogan. Krogan are war-like by nature. But developing spaceflight requires putting that aside and working together. If they had been able to do so and sustain it, it would've been a whole different story. Because in working towards building spaceships they would've learned through experience that cooperation, not violence is the key to their ascension. And if they were able to stick to that, they would've earned their ascension.
Instead, the salarians ****ed them over. They came down and said "**** all that, here's some spaceships now go kill the giant bugs." They denied them that understanding and instead fed their warlike natures. And they wonder where it all went wrong...
And why would the goverments fall? They will have no threat from the Reapers, they will have no threat from the public (as long as it will stay quite). You think Goverments never take the help of their once enemies when they offer it (and sometimes they do, yes)? If they won't take it, they will fall. Esspecially if there is danger of a war starting to breat, with all the tension that will arise (genophage, looting, A threat of a war with the Geth, if there won't be peace). The species will try to get themselves up to speed as much as possible, even if wars won't actually happen.
The Reapers tried to wipe out
all life in the galaxy. They liquified people to make more Reapers and mutated the ones they didn't, perverting their lives and turning them into grotesque twisted tools. Do you really not understand the gravity of these actions and how repugnant they are to the general populace?
The Reapers will never be accepted by regular people. They can't. Before logic and reason can even kick in, gut instincs will recoil from their very mention.
And you now expect governments (who are still made of people, let me remind you) to work with the Reapers and keep it quiet? Such a thing can't be kept quiet and if even the slightest leak ever gets out the ****shtorm it generates will make all previous wars look like playground scraps. And don't denature it by just calling the Reapers "enemies". They are not conventional enemies. They don't just want to subjugate us or take our land, or impose their beliefs on us. They want to wipe us out, wipe out everything about us out. Humanity has never faced such a threat (I'm talking in real life now) and as such its hard to come to terms with the scale of the impact this would have. Fiction tends to just gloss over it because we need happy endings. But we're talking permanent scars on an entire species. Even mention of contact with Reapers is digging a finger in the open wound of the psyche of an entire race. And there is no reward great enough to even consider such an act.
And are you kidding? it's being like less than 70 years since the end of WW2, and while I won't say people forgot, the world is even go far to deny things like the Holocaust. People still live since that time. So yes, if 70 years seem like long enough, you can bet 200 is long enough. The only problem I see are with the Krogan, but (at least with Wrex) they will keep themselves busy populating and rebuilding. Besides, I'd imagine Wrex will want to keep them quiete for a while, so there won't be another genophage.
You misunderstand. Asari live for 1000 years. 200 years is a 5th of that time. For simplicity's sake let's say humans live for 100 years. 100/5=20. 200 years for an asari is like 20 years for a human. Now tell me everything was just dandy in 1965 (20 years after WW2)
Yes people will move on. But you know what's helped people move on? The fact that the war, its atrocities and the people who caused them are gone (for the most part). It's in the past. The infection is gone, the organism can begin healing. Again if the SS was still around (and what's more working with your local government!) everything would
not be A-Ok.
I'll just say that I don't agree, it's just one possible outcome. The galaxy also might see Shepard as a god that changed the Reapers, got them to leave them alone, one who saved them. People's reactions are different. I definitely wouldn't be surprised if people would start a religion about Shepard, a cult or whatever. in the stargazer scene, with how the kid and the stargazer talk about Shepard, it actually seemed like what happened. No, it's not what I want.
Shepard is almost irrelevant to this point. The Reapers are still around, and they're still acting, acting
upon us. It doesn't matter what Shepard's involvement is. And truthfully the concept of one man rising to control a nigh-cosmic force is really hard to wrap your head around. Just look at all the people on the BSN who still have trouble with it and doubt it. And they know how and why it happened. Average Joe NPC on Illium isn't going to know ****.
The cult of "The Shepard" is something I see rising regardless. Space Grandpa always says "the Shepard" in every ending and it does seem like a natural occurence. Even if you pick destroy, Shepard was already well within Space Jesus territory. Because he succeeds in stopping the Reapers, some people will start worshipping him regardless.
As I said, I'll keep the Reapers away, so both of the outcomes, wether be repulsed by Shepard or warship him/her like a god won't happen.
The beginning of a compromise then. Commander can't directly intervene in galactic politics and that includes directly liasing with any governing body or giving out tech. It can still work through indirect means keeping out of sight but using agents to steer the galaxy away from further disaster as needed. At least until the disconnect.
Good?
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