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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

From what I remember reading of the leak of Levianth DLC, alot of it seems to undermine the control choice, which annoys me since it simply comes off as Bioware wanting to push synthesis by making both other choices carry major negative consequences.

This seems obvious to me. Not only must we accept the artistic integrity that's shoved down our throats but we must choose the magic green land of happiness and chocolates and be happy about it. If that means sabotaging everything else, including the rest of your RGB endings so be it.

And while it won't dissuade Control's strongest supporters (my interpretation for example already invalidates the idea of "rebelling") it will give haters some more ammunition and we'll have to deal with a whole new slew of misbegotten one line "rebuttals" along the lines of "Shepard's not really shepard" and "shepard will start reaping again lololol"

Now it'll be "you'll lose control because reapers will rebel hahaha, should've shot the pipe lololololol!!!1one"

Spare me.<_<

Agreed, I have already copy+pasted the line so I can join the rest of the destroy crowd and trol this thread!

But seriously, I will roll my eyes at Bioware if they go through with this.

[Seival]

Just finished my first fan-art (full size of the picture is 1920x1080)... I'm not an artist, so please, don't judge me too harshly

WARNING: This is not a reunion. Just a meeting... Or maybe it is the reunion... It's up to you

Modifié par Seival, 04 août 2012 - 12:20 .

[Seival]

Lizardviking wrote...

Seival wrote...
Negative side you are talking about only depends on your Shepard. So, if you have no doubts about your Shepard, then you have no reasons to worry

But that is my point, we are given a situation and people can decide for themselves on what to think, does the rewards outweigh the risks (or in your case, don't believe there is a risk in the first), but now we get this additional negative which for me just seems like Bioware just wanting to undermine control.

Don't worry. BioWare will never undermine the ending which most people fear to choose. Actually, I think they might make Control more understandable and less fearsome in upcoming singleplayer DLCs.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Seival wrote...

Just finished my first fan-art (full size of the picture is 1920x1080)... I'm not an artist, so please, don't judge me too harshly

WARNING: This is not a reunion. Just a meeting... Or maybe it is the reunion... It's up to you

I already said this is a great job.

That said, if I have to be serious, I am always afraid that if the LI (in this case Liara) found out about what Shepard did. They would be disgusted, and would hate and despise Shepard forever.

[Seival]

Lizardviking wrote...

Seival wrote...

Just finished my first fan-art (full size of the picture is 1920x1080)... I'm not an artist, so please, don't judge me too harshly

WARNING: This is not a reunion. Just a meeting... Or maybe it is the reunion... It's up to you

I already said this is a great job.

That said, if I have to be serious, I am always afraid that if the LI (in this case Liara) found out about what Shepard did. They would be disgusted, and would hate and despise Shepard forever.

Not necessarily. Some time ago we discussed in this thread which squadmates could also choose Control if they had to choose the way to stop the Reapers themselves. For example, I'm sure that Liara will definitely choose Control. Just like she decided to become the new Shadow Broker, and control the covert-information-dealing-organization to use it for good.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Seival wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Seival wrote...

Just finished my first fan-art (full size of the picture is 1920x1080)... I'm not an artist, so please, don't judge me too harshly

WARNING: This is not a reunion. Just a meeting... Or maybe it is the reunion... It's up to you

I already said this is a great job.

That said, if I have to be serious, I am always afraid that if the LI (in this case Liara) found out about what Shepard did. They would be disgusted, and would hate and despise Shepard forever.

Not necessarily. Some time ago we discussed in this thread which squadmates could also choose Control if they had to choose the way to stop the Reapers themselves. For example, I'm sure that Liara will definitely choose Control. Just like she decided to become the new Shadow Broker, and control the covert-information-dealing-organization to use it for good.

While I do believe Liara is the only squadmate who represent the idea of control, the idea of taking the resources of the enemy and use it as a force of good. I still believe in the possiblity that Liara might be repulsed by a Shepard who chose the control ending.

[CrutchCricket]

Seival wrote...

Just finished my first fan-art (full size of the picture is 1920x1080)... I'm not an artist, so please, don't judge me too harshly

WARNING: This is not a reunion. Just a meeting... Or maybe it is the reunion... It's up to you

lol Shepard looks like a Force Ghost. And landing a Reaper in a crowded city is a definite no-no

Nice job though.

As for squadmates, even those who would support the idea of control in theory might not warm up to what Shepard's done. Faced with the reality of it can be... intimidating.

And who said Liara is the only one that would pick Control? Miranda might (there are reasons she would but I can't say if they are definitive). Morinth would for sure. And so would Kasumi (because she's stealing the Reapers get it?)

[MerchantGOL]

I think Mordin and Legion would of supported you

Thane might of gone for Synthesis, but i can see him being for control as well

Edi Likewise i can see both ways

[CrutchCricket]

MerchantGOL wrote...

I think Mordin and Legion would of supported you

Thane might of gone for Synthesis, but i can see him being for control as well

Edi Likewise i can see both ways

EDI flat out tells you she finds the Reapers repugnant and considers stopping them paramount to her own self-preservation. She'd destroy.

I'm not sure what Thane would make of synthesis or what his religion and spirituality might say about it.

Legion believes in the right to choose your own future. It would pick destroy if it didn't mean losing the geth. As it stands it would control but keep the Reapers entirely secluded, except for maybe merging with the geth.

Mordin however would absolutely verbally curbstomp the holokid's bull**** logic in no time flat. The holokid would get pissy and throw his "so be it"  temper tantrum. So Mordin would actually end up with refuse. Of course, being the very model of a scientist salarian he'd figure out how to work the crucible to stop the Reapers without bull**** consequences. Then he'd retire and run tests on seashells. Like a boss.




Problem, Bioware?

[Ericus]

Lizardviking wrote...

Seival wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Seival wrote...

Just finished my first fan-art (full size of the picture is 1920x1080)... I'm not an artist, so please, don't judge me too harshly

WARNING: This is not a reunion. Just a meeting... Or maybe it is the reunion... It's up to you

I already said this is a great job.

That said, if I have to be serious, I am always afraid that if the LI (in this case Liara) found out about what Shepard did. They would be disgusted, and would hate and despise Shepard forever.

Not necessarily. Some time ago we discussed in this thread which squadmates could also choose Control if they had to choose the way to stop the Reapers themselves. For example, I'm sure that Liara will definitely choose Control. Just like she decided to become the new Shadow Broker, and control the covert-information-dealing-organization to use it for good.

While I do believe Liara is the only squadmate who represent the idea of control, the idea of taking the resources of the enemy and use it as a force of good. I still believe in the possiblity that Liara might be repulsed by a Shepard who chose the control ending.

I think most of Shepard's team would understand choosing Control if he/she explained how this is far better than the other options that were available.  Don't forget that Shepard's built a lot of trust with the team over the trilogy.

[MerchantGOL]

CrutchCricket wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

I think Mordin and Legion would of supported you

Thane might of gone for Synthesis, but i can see him being for control as well

Edi Likewise i can see both ways

EDI flat out tells you she finds the Reapers repugnant and considers stopping them paramount to her own self-preservation. She'd destroy.

You do stop them in Control, so i think your point falls alittle fla.



Legion believes in the right to choose your own future. It would pick destroy if it didn't mean losing the geth. As it stands it would control but keep the Reapers entirely secluded, except for maybe merging with the geth. 

He also understands the diffrence between contoling a synthetic and contollign an organic, and he used the reaper code to upgrade him self i firmly bleive legion would be controll

Mordin however would absolutely verbally curbstomp the holokid's bull**** logic in no time flat. The holokid would get pissy and throw his "so be it"  temper tantrum. So Mordin would actually end up with refuse. Of course, being the very model of a scientist salarian he'd figure out how to work the crucible to stop the Reapers without bull**** consequences. Then he'd retire and run tests on seashells. Like a boss.

Again mordin isn't against using evil he him self didnt create to do good. and i dont know what he says a bout rewritign the geth that may be an indicator depending on what he says

[Yakko77]

I'm a firm Destroy "Good" advocate (though I detest the forced death of EDI and the Geth just to make Synthesis more "preferred" to use Star Brat's "logic") but at least Control is viable given that it's implied as early as the conclusion of ME2 by TIM at the end of the SM. Synthesis came out of left field like no ones business at the end of ME3 thanks to Star Brat (I.e. BW writers). And I still regard Reject End as a middle finger but I still dislike Synthesis most of all.

Modifié par Yakko77, 04 août 2012 - 04:53 .

[CrutchCricket]

MerchantGOL wrote...
You do stop them in Control, so i think your point falls alittle fla.

Yes, but you're skipping over that other part where she "finds them repugnant". This would rule out joining them.

He also understands the diffrence between contoling a synthetic and contollign an organic, and he used the reaper code to upgrade him self i firmly bleive legion would be controll

Would he? And what is the difference between controlling a synthetic and controlling an organic? This kind of implied prejudice is exactly the opposite of what Legion's supposed to represent. (Note: I'm not saying you're prejudiced but that phrasing implies controlling synthetics is somehow not as big a deal morally as controlling organics, assuming sentience and free will of course).

Legion would choose control, only because destroy is invalidated by the loss of the geth.

Again mordin isn't against using evil he him self didnt create to do good. and i dont know what he says a bout rewritign the geth that may be an indicator depending on what he says

Mordin would refute the logic (or lack therof) of the holokid's bull****. Granted the scenario I wrote was laced with humor but I could still easily see him claiming the choices are invalid because the holokid makes no goddamn sense. If Mordin ends up with refuse, it's not from moral high ground but from argumentative indignation.

[Seival]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Seival wrote...

Just finished my first fan-art (full size of the picture is 1920x1080)... I'm not an artist, so please, don't judge me too harshly

WARNING: This is not a reunion. Just a meeting... Or maybe it is the reunion... It's up to you

lol Shepard looks like a Force Ghost. And landing a Reaper in a crowded city is a definite no-no

Nice job though.

As for squadmates, even those who would support the idea of control in theory might not warm up to what Shepard's done. Faced with the reality of it can be... intimidating.

And who said Liara is the only one that would pick Control? Miranda might (there are reasons she would but I can't say if they are definitive). Morinth would for sure. And so would Kasumi (because she's stealing the Reapers get it?)

Thanks

Yes, I also think that squadmates will need some time to process what happend, and calm down. But some of them will definitely approve Shepard's choice sooner or later. Especially Liara. And all others (not just the rest of squadmates)... They may approve Shepard's choice or not, but they will definitely accept it.

[Ageless Face]

Love the pic Seival. Good job!

How you people do this things is beyond me...

[estebanus]

HagarIshay wrote...

Love the pic Seival. Good job!

How you people do this things is beyond me...

Yup. It amazes me time and again.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Well, synthesis already have one uber big downside, IMO, which rebelling-reapers can't even come close, so you people can rest easy.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Also, Seival how did you make it? I mean some general guidelines? You seem to have used ingame screenshots and edited to somehow. I'd love to know how. O.o

Modifié par pirate1802, 04 août 2012 - 03:09 .

[Seival]

pirate1802 wrote...

Also, Seival how did you make it? I mean some general guidelines? You seem to have used ingame screenshots..

I used some in-game screenshots as a reference to create more or less realistic lighting and proportions. But I didn't copy-paste those references to the picture itself. Just watched the reference and tried to repeat something similar on the blank canvas.

The picture consists of 14 different layers. And all of them were created by different GIMP 2.6 tools (tools like paintbrush and smudge). So, creating the picture was look more like regular drawing

Modifié par Seival, 04 août 2012 - 03:22 .

[Seival]

HagarIshay wrote...

Love the pic Seival. Good job!

How you people do this things is beyond me...

estebanus wrote...

Yup. It amazes me time and again.

Thanks

[Comsky159]

So from what I see the only real argument people have against control is that 'something might go wrong'?

Pretty vapid honestly, especially given those substantive detriments lying in the destroy and synthesis options.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Can you point me to a tutorial or something that I might follow?

[Seival]

Comsky159 wrote...

So from what I see the only real argument people have against control is that 'something might go wrong'?

Pretty vapid honestly, especially given those substantive detriments lying in the destroy and synthesis options.

Well, Some Destroyers actually wanna The Reapers to be punished at any cost. It's just their way of thinking. But, yes most people are still fear to choose Control, because "something might go wrong". They just don't understand that outcome depends on their own Shepards. While they believe their Shepards are not ready, they will always fear Control...

...So basically, one of the first steps towards Control is to believe that your Shepard is ready for this. Without that belief you will fail no matter what were your reasons to choose Control.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Comsky159 wrote...

So from what I see the only real argument people have against control is that 'something might go wrong'?

Pretty vapid honestly, especially given those substantive detriments lying in the destroy and synthesis options.

Something might go wrong in all the endings. Destroyers refuse to accept it, synthesizers and controllers largely accept it as part of the decision. The only ending where something might not go wrong in future is refusal... because all the wrong has already happened!

[Ageless Face]

pirate1802 wrote...
Something might go wrong in all the endings. Destroyers refuse to accept it, synthesizers and controllers largely accept it as part of the decision. The only ending where something might not go wrong in future is refusal... because all the wrong has already happened!

Could be worse... Could be raining.