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[Seival]

estebanus wrote...

Seival wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Seival wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

On Shepard: Let's not get into a Meer vs Hale argument. I know no one's arguing but just a preemptive please.
I personally prefer male Shep and that's all this amounts to, preference.

On the plus side, we do have Mark Meer on our side. His favorite ending is control^_^

I hope that Jennifer Hale also prefers Control

I think she once said in an interview that she preferred the destroy ending most.

I don't believe you

YOUR BELIEF IS NOT REQUIRED.

No but seriously, I think she did. Doesn't mean that she in fact did (my memory of the interview is kinda hazy) but the way she talks about Shepard also seems to imply that she'd choose destroy.

Maybe. But I still hope she prefers Control

[Seival]

estebanus wrote...

Seival wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Quick question: Do Control supporters believe that Control turns their Shepard into a god?

I don't think so.

Shepard dies in Control. Dies and gives birth to the new Catalyst with Shepard's way of thinking and memories. And the Catalyst is a collective mind of all Reapers, not a "god"... This is how I see it.

I guess it depends on what kinda people you're dealing with. HagarIshay seems to imply that she thinks Shepard becomes a god in control.

Well, yes, I guess it will be correct to say there are different opinions on the matter.

[Anti-killer]

Ima love Control, now that I can troll the next Commander Shepard as Tommy Wiseau...

[Ageless Face]

estebanus wrote...
I think she once said in an interview that she preferred the destroy ending most. 

I had a feeling she would choose destroy.

Then again, it's rare to find someone who doesn't.

TJBartlemus wrote...

Quick question: Do Control supporters believe that Control turns their Shepard into a god?

I don't. Just a Reaper controller. If we'll say Shepard is a god, we'll have to accept the Reapers as... Demigods.  Or something like that.

Shepard and the Reapers are just overpowered tech. Give enough time, and everyone in the galaxy would eventually come into this advanced state, if not greater (with the Reapers' help or without it). If we'll start seeing everyone at the time as gods, then no one is a god. Certaintly not AI Shep.

Besides, I rather doubt AI Shep can shoot lighting. Or cause the classic case of "Burning bush". You can't do those things- you're a worthless and not an interesting god.

Modifié par HagarIshay, 08 août 2012 - 09:46 .

[Weak Sauce Hype]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Quick question: Do Control supporters believe that Control turns their Shepard into a god?

God of the strongest species in the galaxy.

[estebanus]

Seival wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Seival wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Seival wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

On Shepard: Let's not get into a Meer vs Hale argument. I know no one's arguing but just a preemptive please.
I personally prefer male Shep and that's all this amounts to, preference.

On the plus side, we do have Mark Meer on our side. His favorite ending is control^_^

I hope that Jennifer Hale also prefers Control

I think she once said in an interview that she preferred the destroy ending most.

I don't believe you

YOUR BELIEF IS NOT REQUIRED.

No but seriously, I think she did. Doesn't mean that she in fact did (my memory of the interview is kinda hazy) but the way she talks about Shepard also seems to imply that she'd choose destroy.

Maybe. But I still hope she prefers Control

Does it actually matter what they think? I mean, for me it only matters what I think, and I think destroy is best. You think control is best. And that's fine.

[CrutchCricket]

Seival wrote...
Well, according to the lore this "perfect hybrid" was defeated by one human and one asari. And this "perfect hybrid" was fighting on his own terms and on his own well-defended position. I think Wrex can easily defeat equally equipped yahg one on one. Besides, I'm sure yahgs don't have krogan birth-rate and large numbers. We don't even know how long can they live. What if just 50 years, like Salarians?

What hybrid? The yahg are a natural species. No one made them. And they live far longer than salarians. The Shadow Broker yahg was in power for 60 years and he obviously didn't take over as a child.

And don't kid yourself over who beat who. The Shadow Broker only lost because Liara dumped that electric sludge on him that just happened to conveniently be hanging right above him. Otherwise they had nothing on him. And neither do the krogan.

Trust me, no one wants to mess with the yahg. The salarians' arrogance knows no bounds.

[CrutchCricket]

HagarIshay wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Quick question: Do Control supporters believe that Control turns their Shepard into a god?

I don't. Just a Reaper controller. If we'll say Shepard is a god, we'll have to accept the Reapers as... Demigods.  Or something like that.

Shepard and the Reapers are just overpowered tech. Give enough time, and everyone in the galaxy would eventually come into this advanced state, if not greater (with the Reapers' help or without it). If we'll start seeing everyone at the time as gods, then no one is a god. Certaintly not AI Shep.

Besides, I rather doubt AI Shep can shoot lighting. Or cause the classic case of "Burning bush". You can't do those things- you're a worthless and not an interesting god.

No, I don't think anyone here believes Shepard becomes an actual divinity. "Space god" or "machine god" is just humorous shorthand for the nigh-cosmic level of power Commander can wield.

And really divinity and what is and isn't a god is easily just perspective.  Similar to how tech we don't understand becomes magic, tech that may seem downright incomprehensible or impossible can be labled divine. It's just further up the chain. The larger the gap, the more likely it is for the inferior to worship the superior.

Thus, the modern galaxy is unlikely to view Commander as a god (there are exceptions of course). However if  Commander were to descend upon a more primitive race, say, pre-industrial, then yes those beings might easily view it as a god.

[Ageless Face]

CrutchCricket wrote...
What hybrid? The yahg are a natural species. No one made them. And they live far longer than salarians. The Shadow Broker yahg was in power for 60 years and he obviously didn't take over as a child.

And don't kid yourself over who beat who. The Shadow Broker only lost because Liara dumped that electric sludge on him that just happened to conveniently be hanging right above him. Otherwise they had nothing on him. And neither do the krogan.

Trust me, no one wants to mess with the yahg. The salarians' arrogance knows no bounds.

No it wasn't conveniently.

BIOWARE INTENTIONALLY PUT IT THERE!!!



Though really, fighting a Yahg would be stupid. Wasn't it said the Reapers were scared of the Yahg or something? "They have teeth". <_<

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

CrutchCricket wrote...

On Shepard: Let's not get into a Meer vs Hale argument. I know no one's arguing but just a preemptive please.
I personally prefer male Shep and that's all this amounts to, preference.

On the plus side, we do have Mark Meer on our side. His favorite ending is control^_^

Sorry, did not mean to start anything.

And where did Meer state that he likes control the most?

Although I guess one figure it out because Meer loves playing villains, and the renegade catalyst is for all intents and purposes a villain. One also get the feeling that Meer had alot of enjoyment doing the renegade control speech by the way he hams it up.

[Ageless Face]

^^ He said it... HERE

https://twitter.com/...567095294304257

Modifié par HagarIshay, 08 août 2012 - 10:40 .

[estebanus]

HagarIshay wrote...

He said it... HERE

https://twitter.com/...567095294304257

As I said, does it really matter what he thinks?

Hell, if we'd decide the validity of different things based on what other people said, then the IT would be believed by everyone. Because, you know, Forbes made a lot of articles about the IT and how well-made it was.

[Ageless Face]

estebanus wrote...
As I said, does it really matter what he thinks? 

Hell, if we'd decide the validity of different things based on what other people said, then the IT would be believed by everyone. Because, you know, Forbes made a lot of articles about the IT and how well-made it was.

It's doesn't matter, but we care

I wouldn't pick control (destroy, synthesis, or refuse) based on someone else's opinion. But it's just nice to find someone that shares the same opinion as I do. And if it's someone in the game that basically represents our characters (or at least for the ManShep players), it's also not so bad to hear.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

estebanus wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

He said it... HERE

https://twitter.com/...567095294304257

As I said, does it really matter what he thinks?

Hell, if we'd decide the validity of different things based on what other people said, then the IT would be believed by everyone. Because, you know, Forbes made a lot of articles about the IT and how well-made it was.

As HagarIshay said, it does not matter.

I simply stated that, when I hear Renegade-Maleshep control speech, I got the sense that Meer enjoyed doing it.

[Seival]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Seival wrote...
Well, according to the lore this "perfect hybrid" was defeated by one human and one asari. And this "perfect hybrid" was fighting on his own terms and on his own well-defended position. I think Wrex can easily defeat equally equipped yahg one on one. Besides, I'm sure yahgs don't have krogan birth-rate and large numbers. We don't even know how long can they live. What if just 50 years, like Salarians?

What hybrid? The yahg are a natural species. No one made them. And they live far longer than salarians. The Shadow Broker yahg was in power for 60 years and he obviously didn't take over as a child.

And don't kid yourself over who beat who. The Shadow Broker only lost because Liara dumped that electric sludge on him that just happened to conveniently be hanging right above him. Otherwise they had nothing on him. And neither do the krogan.

Trust me, no one wants to mess with the yahg. The salarians' arrogance knows no bounds.

I mean yahg appearance reminds krogan-salarian-batarian hybrid. Hmm... maybe they were created in a lab actually? Salarians could make them without telling anyone about it

Well, if not that "electric sludge", then Shepard could kill the original Shadow Broker even alone. And pretty fast. That beast wasn't really good even in melee. Too large, heavy and inertional. Krogan charge is much more dangerous.

...Urdnot Wrex > original Shadow Broker.
...Urdnot Grunt > 2 original Shadow Brokers.
...Mordin Solus > 10 original Shadow Brokers (he will just talk them to death... they will end up killing each other).

Modifié par Seival, 08 août 2012 - 11:31 .

[Seival]

HagarIshay wrote...

estebanus wrote...
As I said, does it really matter what he thinks? 

Hell, if we'd decide the validity of different things based on what other people said, then the IT would be believed by everyone. Because, you know, Forbes made a lot of articles about the IT and how well-made it was.

It's doesn't matter, but we care

I wouldn't pick control (destroy, synthesis, or refuse) based on someone else's opinion. But it's just nice to find someone that shares the same opinion as I do. And if it's someone in the game that basically represents our characters (or at least for the ManShep players), it's also not so bad to hear.

Agree

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I noticed all fanfics I read always portray the control ending in a negative light, with Shepard in the end becoming the villain (regardless of alligment).

So depressing!

[Seival]

Lizardviking wrote...

I noticed all fanfics I read always portray the control ending in a negative light, with Shepard in the end becoming the villain (regardless of alligment).

So depressing!

Don't worry. It's just a fanfics, not something official. If some fans want their Shepards to become villains, it's only their own personal buisness.

We all have our own opinions on the matter. I believe that only Renegade Shepard-Catalist can become a villain. Paragon Shepard-Catalist will always be The Guardian.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Seival wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I noticed all fanfics I read always portray the control ending in a negative light, with Shepard in the end becoming the villain (regardless of alligment).

So depressing!

Don't worry. It's just a fanfics, not something official. If some fans want their Shepards to become villains, it's only their own personal buisness.

We all have our own opinions on the matter. I believe that only Renegade Shepard-Catalist can become a villain. Paragon Shepard-Catalist will always be The Guardian.

I know, I know. It's just that fanfics that deal with control are rare, and when they do pop up. They always seem to be about how Shepard's desire to do good is what damns him in the end.

That said, I do find it interesting that so many people hold this viewpoint.

[CrutchCricket]

HagarIshay wrote...

Though really, fighting a Yahg would be stupid. Wasn't it said the Reapers were scared of the Yahg or something? "They have teeth". <_<

No the Reapers wouldn't be scared of them. I think it's just implied they left them alone this cycle because they hadn't gotten to the spacefaring stage yet. Presumably if the cycle had been completed, the yagh would've been the next dominant race in the galaxy.

Which does bring to mind one "upside" to refuse- imagining the yagh curbstomping the Reapers next cycle, Twitter be damned.

[CrutchCricket]

Seival wrote...
Well, if not that "electric sludge", then Shepard could kill the original Shadow Broker even alone. And pretty fast. That beast wasn't really good even in melee. Too large, heavy and inertional. Krogan charge is much more dangerous.

I recommend you rewatch that scene. The Shadow Broker wasn't even breaking a sweat. They had nothing without that sludge. And for further info check out the Sur'Kesh mision where a single naked and unarmed yahg wrecks **** through the salarian base.

If you can't see it because you're biased, then I can't help you.

[.50CalBrainSurgeon]

I just played through ME3 with the extended cut. Synthesis is still too far-fetched and not believable. However, I actually liked the new destroy and control endings. Destroy fulfills the ending a renegade Shepard would want: annihilation and vengeance against the Reapers, but sacrificing synthetic life. This scenario is simply "the cold hard calculus of war." Control achieves the ending a paragon Shepard would choose: Shepard takes a chance and sacrifices his/her body to reach technological singularity with the Reapers. In doing so, Shepard halts their genocide of organics, but without compromising the existence of other synthetic life like EDI and the geth. Despite the loss of his physical body, the Shepard-Reaper intelligence still retains the mindset that was Shepard. A mindset that protects and watches over the ones he/she cares about. If the extended cut ending had been the original ending, I would not have been as frustrated with the original. Granted the endings weren't perfect,I still find synthesis too unrealistic to be a fitting ending. However, I can live with the Control or Destroy endings. I'll admit I was initially skeptical about Bioware's efforts to fix the ending, but I'm glad they did.I guess having 2/3 acceptable endings is better than the screw-up that was the original ending.

[DirtyPhoenix]

For me god is a figurative term. Something all-powerful, capable of doing anything and everything he/she wants. Remember what those scientists aboard the derelict reaper in ME2 were saying about god? So yes in that sense Shepard becomes god in control. that's my take atleast.

[Seival]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Seival wrote...
Well, if not that "electric sludge", then Shepard could kill the original Shadow Broker even alone. And pretty fast. That beast wasn't really good even in melee. Too large, heavy and inertional. Krogan charge is much more dangerous.

I recommend you rewatch that scene. The Shadow Broker wasn't even breaking a sweat. They had nothing without that sludge. And for further info check out the Sur'Kesh mision where a single naked and unarmed yahg wrecks **** through the salarian base.

If you can't see it because you're biased, then I can't help you.

I remember the scenes and fight quite well. Against soldier-Shepard all broker's defences go down very fast. If there was no "special shield", broker would be dead in less then a minute. Soldier with Revenant would just tear him apart. The only problematic thing in that fight was that "special shield". But shield generator was the weak spot, and eventually Liara used broker's defence system against himself...

...By the way, human soldiers are not as weak as they look sometimes. According to the lore, many officers are actually cyborgs with synthetically reinforced bones/muscle/skin, and some combat implants which help them to react faster and shoot sharper. So, basically the difference between well-equipped human and well-equipped yahg is in size, weight, and mobility. All other parameters are more or less the same.

Modifié par Seival, 09 août 2012 - 01:29 .

[Seival]

Hmm... I wonder if there are some peaceful yahgs. Also it's interesting what would a yahg choose after the conversation with the original Catalyst

...Keeping in mind the original Shadow Broker, I think a yahg would choose Renegade Control.

Modifié par Seival, 09 août 2012 - 01:47 .