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[Ageless Face]

CrutchCricket wrote...
No the Reapers wouldn't be scared of them. I think it's just implied they left them alone this cycle because they hadn't gotten to the spacefaring stage yet. Presumably if the cycle had been completed, the yagh would've been the next dominant race in the galaxy.

Which does bring to mind one "upside" to refuse- imagining the yagh curbstomping the Reapers next cycle, Twitter be damned.

Oh, then I must confusing it with something else.

The Yahg will definitely be the next dominate race in the galaxy. Come to think of it, it's sad we didn't get to hear a Yahg talking instead of the woman alien (Asari?) in the stargazer scene with the refuse option.

[Ageless Face]

Seival wrote...

Hmm... I wonder if there are some peaceful yahgs. Also it's interesting what would a yahg choose after the conversation with the original Catalyst

...Keeping in mind the original Shedow Broker, I think a yahg would choose Renegade Control.

We only talked to one Yahg, so I doubt we can really judge the entire race only by him. But the Shadow Broker? Yeah, seems likely he'll choose Rcontrol.

[DirtyPhoenix]

ahahahaha a Yahg grandpa stargazer would have been epic!

[SimonM72]

Digital degrades just as organic degrades, It just takes longer that is all. Therefore the theory that the new catalyst (Shepard) is incorruptable is false.

[Ageless Face]

pirate1802 wrote...

ahahahaha a Yahg grandpa stargazer would have been epic!

That's what I'm thinking. 

SimonM72 wrote...

Digital degrades just as organic degrades, It just takes longer that is all. Therefore the theory that the new catalyst (Shepard) is incorruptable is false.

Depends on what kind of corruption you're talking about here. Corruption like an error or malfunction inside AI Shep's programming? You're right, it'll happen eventually. Moral corruption? It won't happen.

[Seival]

SimonM72 wrote...

Digital degrades just as organic degrades, It just takes longer that is all. Therefore the theory that the new catalyst (Shepard) is incorruptable is false.

Considering how advanced is the Reaper Tech and who was the Shepard as a human being, I believe that the Shepard-Catalyst will be incorruptible. That's why Shepard-Catalyst's speech begins with "Eternal. Infinite. Immortal." words.

Modifié par Seival, 09 août 2012 - 02:18 .

[Ageless Face]

Seival wrote...
Considering how advanced is the Reaper Tech and who was the Shepard as a human being, I believe that the Shepard-Catalyst will be incorruptible. That's why Shepard-Catalyst's speech begins with "Eternal. Infinite. Immortal." words.

The catalyst also said synthesis is the final evolution of life.

I do not think we should take every word in the ending literally.

[Seival]

HagarIshay wrote...

Seival wrote...
Considering how advanced is the Reaper Tech and who was the Shepard as a human being, I believe that the Shepard-Catalyst will be incorruptible. That's why Shepard-Catalyst's speech begins with "Eternal. Infinite. Immortal." words.

The catalyst also said synthesis is the final evolution of life.

I do not think we should take every word in the ending literally.

Well, the original Catalist's personality was based on (or programmed by) some unstable person. But Shepard and Shepard-Catalyst... I prefer to respect everything she said (if we are talking about Paragon Shepard of course).

[DirtyPhoenix]

HagarIshay wrote...

Seival wrote...
Considering how advanced is the Reaper Tech and who was the Shepard as a human being, I believe that the Shepard-Catalyst will be incorruptible. That's why Shepard-Catalyst's speech begins with "Eternal. Infinite. Immortal." words.

The catalyst also said synthesis is the final evolution of life.

I do not think we should take every word in the ending literally.

Will catalyst-Shepard inherit the old catalyst's stupidity? Boy I hope not..

Modifié par pirate1802, 09 août 2012 - 02:46 .

[CrutchCricket]

Seival wrote...
I remember the scenes and fight quite well. Against soldier-Shepard all broker's defences go down very fast. If there was no "special shield", broker would be dead in less then a minute. Soldier with Revenant would just tear him apart. The only problematic thing in that fight was that "special shield". But shield generator was the weak spot, and eventually Liara used broker's defence system against himself...

...By the way, human soldiers are not as weak as they look sometimes. According to the lore, many officers are actually cyborgs with synthetically reinforced bones/muscle/skin, and some combat implants which help them to react faster and shoot sharper. So, basically the difference between well-equipped human and well-equipped yahg is in size, weight, and mobility. All other parameters are more or less the same.

Again, I'm not interested in gameplay. It's a game, games are meant to be won, of course everything is going to be easy. For God's sake you actually fight a Reaper. On foot. Twice. Care to tell me Reapers are weaklings next?

Look at the cutscenes. The yahg has no issues repelling them whatsoever. And don't be fooled, Shepard isn't "most soldiers". While it's true that a lot of soldiers in ME have some genetic engineering to augment their abilities, it's not as extensive as you think. Mostly it's small stuff like correcting vision to perfect 20/20 etc (talk to Ashley in ME1).

Shepard on the other hand has advanced skin and bone weaves making him much tougher, courtesy of Lazarus. He can shoot an anti-tank gun meant for krogan and geth no problem (whereas any other human would have their arm shattered). So when he throws a punch, yeah the yahg's gonna feel it. But it still wasn't enough, was it? Not without that electric sludge. The Shadow Broker would've won without that sludge. They just didn't have the force to take him down without it. Accept it.

In regards to the ending, yahg have a very pack mentality, focused on an alpha individual. The yahg who wins leadership through cunning or force rules unquestionably. So yes, a yahg given the choice would control.  And God help the universe where that happens.

[Ageless Face]

Seival wrote...
Well, the original Catalist's personality was based on (or programmed by) some unstable person. But Shepard and Shepard-Catalyst... I prefer to respect everything she said (if we are talking about Paragon Shepard of course).

"synthesis is the final evolution of life" is a description about synthesis, not the catalyst's personal opinion of it. This line of thought was brought from the Crucible, not the catalyst. So I'd guess that's what BioWare meant to say about synthesis (god knows the reason why).

You can respect everything Shepard says all you want, but not everything that is said in the ending is logical to happen. Unless you do see Shepard as a god...

Modifié par HagarIshay, 09 août 2012 - 02:51 .

[Outlawstar15a2]

pirate1802 wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

Seival wrote...
Considering how advanced is the Reaper Tech and who was the Shepard as a human being, I believe that the Shepard-Catalyst will be incorruptible. That's why Shepard-Catalyst's speech begins with "Eternal. Infinite. Immortal." words.

The catalyst also said synthesis is the final evolution of life.

I do not think we should take every word in the ending literally.

Will catalyst-Shepard inherit the old catalyst's stupidity? Boy I hope not..

Most likely not. Shepard has a different origin, personality, and way of thinking then the original catalyst. Shepard's organic origin alone makes him superior then the original catalyst providing he retains his memories and life experiences. He will have the mental gray area and emotional investment and flexible thinking of organics and concrete, non emotional logic of a machine.

He can quite literally play both sides of the street when problem solving.

Modifié par Outlawstar15a2, 09 août 2012 - 02:55 .

[CrutchCricket]

HagarIshay wrote...

The Yahg will definitely be the next dominate race in the galaxy. Come to think of it, it's sad we didn't get to hear a Yahg talking instead of the woman alien (Asari?) in the stargazer scene with the refuse option.

The real explanation is likely laziness.

But I believe the asari survived refuse. Think about it. They live for millenia and can do it with anything. You only need a few of them in a bunker somewhere to last out the harvesting.

Then there's the matter of Liara's capsule. We aren't really told the timeline for refuse but communication cannot endure millenia in isolation. The protheans thought they had it figured out with their tactile tech, thought everyone would understand. But it still took a long time before anyone did, even with their cypher. Liara's capsule has even less chance of actually being understood on its own. So my belief is that there were asari still around to explain it. And the yahg did rise to rule the next cycle and the asari were right there with them (as they are wont to entwine themselves anywhere) and verily did they curbstomp the Reapers to oblivion in the most glorious space battle ever as Space Grandma Asari tries to explain to her insominac grandchild.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Yeah that "Synthesis is the final evolution of life".. man do I hate that line so much. The lives of synthesizers are made extra difficult by Bioware's gems like that line there. Wtf were they smoking?

[Seival]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Seival wrote...
I remember the scenes and fight quite well. Against soldier-Shepard all broker's defences go down very fast. If there was no "special shield", broker would be dead in less then a minute. Soldier with Revenant would just tear him apart. The only problematic thing in that fight was that "special shield". But shield generator was the weak spot, and eventually Liara used broker's defence system against himself...

...By the way, human soldiers are not as weak as they look sometimes. According to the lore, many officers are actually cyborgs with synthetically reinforced bones/muscle/skin, and some combat implants which help them to react faster and shoot sharper. So, basically the difference between well-equipped human and well-equipped yahg is in size, weight, and mobility. All other parameters are more or less the same.

Again, I'm not interested in gameplay. It's a game, games are meant to be won, of course everything is going to be easy. For God's sake you actually fight a Reaper. On foot. Twice. Care to tell me Reapers are weaklings next?

Look at the cutscenes. The yahg has no issues repelling them whatsoever. And don't be fooled, Shepard isn't "most soldiers". While it's true that a lot of soldiers in ME have some genetic engineering to augment their abilities, it's not as extensive as you think. Mostly it's small stuff like correcting vision to perfect 20/20 etc (talk to Ashley in ME1).

Shepard on the other hand has advanced skin and bone weaves making him much tougher, courtesy of Lazarus. He can shoot an anti-tank gun meant for krogan and geth no problem (whereas any other human would have their arm shattered). So when he throws a punch, yeah the yahg's gonna feel it. But it still wasn't enough, was it? Not without that electric sludge. The Shadow Broker would've won without that sludge. They just didn't have the force to take him down without it. Accept it.

In regards to the ending, yahg have a very pack mentality, focused on an alpha individual. The yahg who wins leadership through cunning or force rules unquestionably. So yes, a yahg given the choice would control.  And God help the universe where that happens.

I think those cutscenes just make a Yahg race look fearsome. They really look fearsome, but they can be easily killed with regular weapons. They might just require a few more direct hits taken to die (compared to human), nothing more.

The original broker just hided behind that "special shield" (right before he was about to die) to restore other defences (like regular shield). The "special shield" was the only problem, but eventually we've found out that it's was also the weak spot of the original brokers defencive position.

Modifié par Seival, 09 août 2012 - 03:01 .

[CrutchCricket]

Seival wrote...
I think those cutscenes just make a Yahg race look fearsome. They really look fearsome, but they can be easily killed with regular weapons. They might just require a few more direct hits taken to die (compared to human), nothing more.

The original broker just hided behind that "special shield" (right before he was about to die) to restore other defences (like regular shield). The "special shield" was the only problem, but eventually we've found out that it was also the weak spot of the original brokers defencive position.

Yeah and the entire Shadow Broker DLC isn't just one long "Make Liara look badass"-fest. Please. Let's stick to the facts, not speculate about dev motivations.

And what are you referring to by special shield? The omni-shield? Or that white bulletproof Fortification? In any case it's irrelevant. What did you want him to do, lay them aside and  call out Shepard: "let's fight like men"? If you're gonna pull that, then I say that Shepard also hides behind his shields/barriers/armor/tech armor and Liara also hides behind her biotics. Also they both hid behind a pillar.

Seriously.

Krogan have Fortification (granted not completely bulletproof but still) and they go down. The Paladin has the omni-shield and he goes down. These things are not godmode. The Shadow Broker is not just his "special shield". And again, if you want to see what an unarmed and naked yahg can do, I refer you to Priority: Sur'Kesh

[Seival]

Outlawstar15a2 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

Seival wrote...
Considering how advanced is the Reaper Tech and who was the Shepard as a human being, I believe that the Shepard-Catalyst will be incorruptible. That's why Shepard-Catalyst's speech begins with "Eternal. Infinite. Immortal." words.

The catalyst also said synthesis is the final evolution of life.

I do not think we should take every word in the ending literally.

Will catalyst-Shepard inherit the old catalyst's stupidity? Boy I hope not..

Most likely not. Shepard has a different origin, personality, and way of thinking then the original catalyst. Shepard's organic origin alone makes him superior then the original catalyst providing he retains his memories and life experiences. He will have the mental gray area and emotional investment and flexible thinking of organics and concrete, non emotional logic of a machine.

He can quite literally play both sides of the street when problem solving.

Also, Shepard's millitary skills will make each Reaper Warship and Hask much more effective in combat. Just imagine, any Hask can easily kill a Kai Leng in melee combat. This would be very useful when Shepard-Catalist will have to defend Galactic Civilization from some major external or internal threats.

[Seival]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Seival wrote...
I think those cutscenes just make a Yahg race look fearsome. They really look fearsome, but they can be easily killed with regular weapons. They might just require a few more direct hits taken to die (compared to human), nothing more.

The original broker just hided behind that "special shield" (right before he was about to die) to restore other defences (like regular shield). The "special shield" was the only problem, but eventually we've found out that it was also the weak spot of the original brokers defencive position.

Yeah and the entire Shadow Broker DLC isn't just one long "Make Liara look badass"-fest. Please. Let's stick to the facts, not speculate about dev motivations.

And what are you referring to by special shield? The omni-shield? Or that white bulletproof Fortification? In any case it's irrelevant. What did you want him to do, lay them aside and  call out Shepard: "let's fight like men"? If you're gonna pull that, then I say that Shepard also hides behind his shields/barriers/armor/tech armor and Liara also hides behind her biotics. Also they both hid behind a pillar.

Seriously.

Krogan have Fortification (granted not completely bulletproof but still) and they go down. The Paladin has the omni-shield and he goes down. These things are not godmode. The Shadow Broker is not just his "special shield". And again, if you want to see what an unarmed and naked yahg can do, I refer you to Priority: Sur'Kesh

By "special shield" I mean the one that makes him immobile and can be broken by a melee attack. One N7 Shadow can insta-kill the original broker with a sword attack by the way: the target can't move and have no protection against the melee

...But, since Shepard can't be a Shadow, she has to deal with original broker using regular weapons.

...By the way. I think that heavily-armored and shielded Elcor with Mako-cannon on his back will look 10 times more fearsome than some yahg. The Elcor will even have more weight and the same mobility as a yahg

[Seival]

pirate1802 wrote...

Yeah that "Synthesis is the final evolution of life".. man do I hate that line so much. The lives of synthesizers are made extra difficult by Bioware's gems like that line there. Wtf were they smoking?

I think that it will be more correctly to call Synthesis "a beginning of new type of evolution, which is different from natural evolution". 

Modifié par Seival, 09 août 2012 - 06:23 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

Seival wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Yeah that "Synthesis is the final evolution of life".. man do I hate that line so much. The lives of synthesizers are made extra difficult by Bioware's gems like that line there. Wtf were they smoking?

I think that it will be more correctly to call Synthesis "a beginning of new type of evolution, which is different from natural evolution". 

Yep.
Catalyst: Synthesis is the final (natural) evolution of life.
All evolution beyond this point will be through synthetics.

[Seival]

pirate1802 wrote...

Seival wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Yeah that "Synthesis is the final evolution of life".. man do I hate that line so much. The lives of synthesizers are made extra difficult by Bioware's gems like that line there. Wtf were they smoking?

I think that it will be more correctly to call Synthesis "a beginning of new type of evolution, which is different from natural evolution". 

Yep.
Catalyst: Synthesis is the final (natural) evolution of life.
All evolution beyond this point will be through synthetics.

Let's call Synthesis "The beginning of Artificial Evolution"... I think it's a good idea for a Synthesis banner.

[Seival]

I have new idea about Control fan-art... I should start creating it ASAP

[Seival]

Hmm... What if EDI will not follow Shepard's order, and leave her mobile platform on the Earth? Then she will follow Shepard, will manage to reach the "lower chamber" unharmed, and shoot TIM before Anderson was wounded. Would she be able to interact with the original Catalist?

She might give Shepard and Anderson some time to evacuate, then use her mobile platform to talk to the Catalist and show this conversation to the entire crew. And after the conversation is over, she will ask Shepard what must she choose... Maybe it's nice idea to make such "hidden ending" if player has 10000 EMS or more (i.e. multiplayer will be required to achieve that)?... Yes, yes, I know this is crazy idea

...But let's say Shepard will order EDI to choose Control. I think it will be nice, because EDI's way of thinking is close to Paragon Shepard's way of thinking

Modifié par Seival, 10 août 2012 - 12:30 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

EDI would 101% choose Synthesis XD If not ordered to do otherwise..

Modifié par pirate1802, 10 août 2012 - 02:42 .

[Seival]

pirate1802 wrote...

EDI would 101% choose Synthesis XD If not ordered to do otherwise..

Not really sure. She prefered to control the hostile synthetic being and use it as a mobile platform to help Shepard. So I think she will choose Control most likely