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[DirtyPhoenix]

Wait.. When does Hackett speak after Synthesis?

[Seival]

pirate1802 wrote...

Wait.. When does Hackett speak after Synthesis?

I don't remember such thing.

[someone else]

Ha - brainfart - my bad - haven't played it for a long while and crossed a wire with a fanfic i read a month or so back -  a series of epilogues as i recall - somehow it must have stuck with me...sorry, dumb, but an honest mistake...so I'll have to retract that piece of it, but  stand by the rest of it

...actually, I don't see what the objection is - synthesis creates a new world order as spacebrat informs us - so you gain integration at the price of separateness - seems pretty self evident.   There are always trade-offs.

Modifié par someone else, 13 août 2012 - 08:53 .

[Seival]

Hmm... Catalyst-Shepard may not only tell people about Synthesis and ask their opinion, but also improve Synthesis mechanics before using it... I think that ending-synthesis variant was a little rushed.

Modifié par Seival, 13 août 2012 - 08:53 .

[Seival]

By the way... What if Catalyst-Shepard triggers the Synthesis... Will the Citadel and Mass Relays become alive?

...Living Citadel. Living Mass Relays...

...And an army of ex-VI Shepards...



...I don't even know what to say. It's interesting and strange at the same time

Modifié par Seival, 13 août 2012 - 11:04 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

Seival wrote...

...I don't even know what to say. It's interesting and strange at the same time

And that is what I find so alluring in Synthesis. It is a whole new world, where old world concepts of what is alive and what is not, who is the master and who is the slave hold no meaning. It is like in those old days explorers used to discover new continents. A new world, with its own new benefits and also new dangers.

[Seival]

pirate1802 wrote...

Seival wrote...

...I don't even know what to say. It's interesting and strange at the same time

And that is what I find so alluring in Synthesis. It is a whole new world, where old world concepts of what is alive and what is not, who is the master and who is the slave hold no meaning. It is like in those old days explorers used to discover new continents. A new world, with its own new benefits and also new dangers.

Anyway, I think that Synthesis (if really needed) requires more preparations, improvements and voting. Which is possible only after Control

[DirtyPhoenix]

Well i believe we will eventually reach the equivalent Synthesis, both in ME world (without the crucible), and our real world, maybe hundreds of years later but we'll get there. So what I did was to just speed up the process and yes, without consenting people.

The violation part is important; because removing it would make Synthesis 100% pure good sunshine ending. I don't want that. Because 1) I like morally grey choices more that happy ones. And 2) There are already many people descending upon Synthesis as Bioware's favourite ending, removing the downside's only gonna make them rage harder. Personally I feel right at home with morally grey choices, and I don't want Bioware to make it easier. xD

Also, reaching Synthesis through control would be muddled by the presence of reaper-shepard. Frankly, I think even in Synthesis, if people are asked to take a vote the majority would vote against it simply out of distrust of the reapers. Reaper-shepard would have a hard time convincing them. So, if you want to Synthesize, take the direct route rather than go through Control.

Modifié par pirate1802, 14 août 2012 - 11:39 .

[DazzUnited]

All endings are way more acceptable since the extended cut was released at least some closure is there, all these support this ending because its the right way to play is just dumb lol

[CrutchCricket]

So... Control ending is pretty chill, while any thread discussing synthesis is under constant attack (I'm assuming).

Solution is to hijack Control thread for synthesis discussion?

I am disappoint.

[SeptimusMagistos]

DazzUnited wrote...

All endings are way more acceptable since the extended cut was released at least some closure is there, all these support this ending because its the right way to play is just dumb lol

Look, some of us don't feel like arguing about whether the endings were any good. We'd rather argue about which one was the best. Is that so wrong?

[DirtyPhoenix]

CrutchCricket wrote...

So... Control ending is pretty chill, while any thread discussing synthesis is under constant attack (I'm assuming).

Solution is to hijack Control thread for synthesis discussion?

I am disappoint.

[Seival]

CrutchCricket wrote...

So... Control ending is pretty chill, while any thread discussing synthesis is under constant attack (I'm assuming).

Solution is to hijack Control thread for synthesis discussion?

I am disappoint.

Well, actually, Control and Synthesis can be discussed in one thread without off-topic only because Synthesis may be one of the long-terms consequences of Control.

[bukkfizzman]

Seival wrote...



So, what is the Control ending about?... First of all it's about the ultimate self-sacrifice. Commander Shepard sacrifices her/his life and soul in order to become the new Catalist, which is a collective mind of all Reapers. I think it will be even more correct to say that Commander Shepard becomes The Reapers. She/he looses her/his connection to the organic beings, and becomes an AI with unlimited processing power, with Commander Shepard's way of thinking, and with Commander Shepard's memories. And depending on who is she/he Paragon or Renegade, she/he becomes a Defender, or a Dictator. Defender or Dictator who still cares about Galactic Civilization and people she/he used to know and love.

What does it mean for Commander Shepard to become The Reapers in terms of feelings and emotions she/he has?... Even synthetic intelligent beings have feelings but they work differently than organic feelings. Organic feelings are chemistry, while synthetic feelings are physics. In other words, organics can suffer or inspire by feelings, while synthetics can't. But that doesn't mean that synthetic feelings are not real. They are real, but they just work differently. Organic feelings are a product of much more complicated processes that occur on much deeper levels of existance. For example, if organic suffer from pain, she/he can do nothing with it except using painkillers, which are... yes - chemistry. Synthetic feels pain in other way - it sense damage taken and notice it, but the pain will never drive the synthetic mad. It can take any amount of pain for as long as needed and remain 100% calm... The similar for all other feelings.

Without human body disadvantages new Catalist will be incorruptible, and will never desire to abuse its power. Commander Shepard's way of thinking and her/his memories will guide The Reapers and Galactic Civilization to the future with limitless possibilities. By choosing Control you not just avoid additional deaths to stop the Cycles. You also preserve Galactic Diversity, keeping advantages of all three types of living beings: organics, synthetics, and cyborgs (half-organics)... Universe likes and supports Diversity, and so does the new Catalist. Organics, synthetics and cyborgs will evolve in their own ways, remaining a parts of one persistent society. Society which is protected and guided by the new Catalist itself.

...For me Control is the only choice I can make. And the Illusive Man was right indeed. It's sad that he has chosen wrong ways to try to Assume Direct Control, and so ended up in the trap made mostly of his own corrupted delusions. Let's not forget that without TIM's help Commander Shepard could never become the new Catalist. TIM deserves compassion, because he was a victim of his own "too Renegade way of thinking", and still had some tiny pieces of good inside. Good, that actually helped Commander Shepard and everyone else.



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[Seival]

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

DazzUnited wrote...

All endings are way more acceptable since the extended cut was released at least some closure is there, all these support this ending because its the right way to play is just dumb lol

Look, some of us don't feel like arguing about whether the endings were any good. We'd rather argue about which one was the best. Is that so wrong?

Personally, I strongly believe that there is no "best ending". There are three different ways to stop the Reapers, and one way to let them continue the harvest.

[Ageless Face]

bukkfizzman wrote...
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Now one more thing the control ending is what i would call the "godchild's" plan B because now that shepard's mind is uploaded to the reapers the "godchild" could eaisly manipulate Shepard into to making him destroy organics and you might say oh they can just use the crucible well they could be lets see here the galaxy's miltary is devasted shep could easily take them down.

Unless the catalyst is lying (which he doesn't), Shepard will replace him as the Reaper controller. Not work with him, not get tricked by him, but replace him (choose the renegade option when the catalyst talks about control, he'll tell you you replace him).  Also when he says his solution won't work anymore, he agrees to let Shepard, if picked control, do whatever she wishes with the Reapers. If the catalyst wanted his solution again, he wouldn't have presented destroy for you. By that we can guess the Crucible changed him to suit Shepard and the galaxy's needs more than his problem.

I would comment on synthesis if it wasn't forbidden.

[Seival]

Keeping in mind that Synthesis may be one of outcomes of Control eventually, I think it's ok to comment Synthesis here. But the thread should not become a discussion of Synthesis only of course

[JeffZero]

Yeah, we can have a broader canvas on both (as well as Destroy and Refuse) in your general support thread too.

[Seival]

JeffZero wrote...

Yeah, we can have a broader canvas on both (as well as Destroy and Refuse) in your general support thread too.

Agree.

[Seival]

My new fan art about Control is about 40% ready, by the way. Hope to finish it in this month

[JeffZero]

Looking forward to it.

[Seival]

I keep thinking about post-ending DLC idea discussed in this thread. I believe it deserves its own topic, since the idea is not only about Control.

[Seival]

Just created that thread and poll about the idea: http://social.biowar...ndex/13693416/1

I think Control fans might find the idea very interesting

Modifié par Seival, 15 août 2012 - 09:41 .

[Seival]

...Hmm, you might not believe me, but even anti-enders like the idea actually. Maybe it has a chance to become real DLC eventually? I really hope so

[Seival]

I tried to mobilize all ending supporters. This DLC is really good idea

Modifié par Seival, 15 août 2012 - 11:44 .