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[OdanUrr]

Seival wrote...

I tried to mobilize all ending supporters. This DLC is really good idea

"Mass Effect 3: The Search for Truth" (Ending v3.0)

"This time it's for real, really."

[Seival]

OdanUrr wrote...

Seival wrote...

I tried to mobilize all ending supporters. This DLC is really good idea

"Mass Effect 3: The Search for Truth" (Ending v3.0)

"This time it's for real, really."

One of the main points of suggested DLC was that DLC will not change the endings in any way.

[Seival]

...I really hope that DLC will be released and will be the last one for ME3.

[Seival]

It's interesting what would Catalyst-Shepard do with Keepers. They are not very important anymore, and could be hidden in some inaccessible Citadel areas.

[Seival]

Or maybe Catalyst-Shepard will modify Keepers somehow. So they will become invisible, and will work only in dangerous areas of the Citadel.

Modifié par Seival, 17 août 2012 - 12:03 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

B..but why make they invisible?

[Seival]

pirate1802 wrote...

B..but why make they invisible?

To avoid unneeded attention. I think that not all potentially dangerous Citadel areas are actually out of sight.

[Ageless Face]

The keepers are already pretty much invicible on the Citadel. No one pays attention to them.

Making them invicible will actually draw more attention. Not to mention I don't see any reason to mess with them any further. It's just as bad and stupid as making every human invicible. Besides, we don't even know what the keepers' deal is. I REALLY think that leaving them alone and is for the best. I mean, I'd like to think people studied the keepers afterwards (harmlessly), but not to start making them as personal workers.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Yep, I imagine people would be stumbling upon invisible keepers all the time.

[Seival]

pirate1802 wrote...

Yep, I imagine people would be stumbling upon invisible keepers all the time.

People shouldn't wander in the potentially dangerous Citadel places on the first place

[Seival]

HagarIshay wrote...

The keepers are already pretty much invicible on the Citadel. No one pays attention to them.

Making them invicible will actually draw more attention. Not to mention I don't see any reason to mess with them any further. It's just as bad and stupid as making every human invicible. Besides, we don't even know what the keepers' deal is. I REALLY think that leaving them alone and is for the best. I mean, I'd like to think people studied the keepers afterwards (harmlessly), but not to start making them as personal workers.

Well, Keepers are just workers, and sometimes they are really needed. If restricted to dangerous areas only and made invisible, Keepers will look like gone forever.

But if left alone, Keepers will definitely draw a lot of attantion of different scientists, keeping in mind the Reapers are no longer a threat.

Modifié par Seival, 17 août 2012 - 09:44 .

[Ageless Face]

Seival wrote...
Well, Keepers are just workers, and sometimes they are really needed. If restricted to dangerous areas only and made invisible, Keepers will look like gone forever.

But if left alone, Keepers will definitely draw a lot of attantion of different scientists, keeping in mind the Reapers are no longer a threat.

First of all, the Keepers "aren't just workers". Not only that we barely know anything about them to make such claims, but I don't believe people should use them for their own advantage. Isn't that called slavery? (and no, I'm not being a hypocrite. Using the Reapers isn't like using the Keepers).

Keepers that were ever tried to be studied have attempted self destruction. Keepers were eventually left alone, without drawing any attention to themselves. They're just in the backround. No one cares for them and what they do. And the few who do care, don't get much from it.

And why the Reapers been no longer a threat is important?

[Seival]

HagarIshay wrote...

Seival wrote...
Well, Keepers are just workers, and sometimes they are really needed. If restricted to dangerous areas only and made invisible, Keepers will look like gone forever.

But if left alone, Keepers will definitely draw a lot of attantion of different scientists, keeping in mind the Reapers are no longer a threat.

First of all, the Keepers "aren't just workers". Not only that we barely know anything about them to make such claims, but I don't believe people should use them for their own advantage. Isn't that called slavery? (and no, I'm not being a hypocrite. Using the Reapers isn't like using the Keepers).

Keepers that were ever tried to be studied have attempted self destruction. Keepers were eventually left alone, without drawing any attention to themselves. They're just in the backround. No one cares for them and what they do. And the few who do care, don't get much from it.

And why the Reapers been no longer a threat is important?

When people will realize that the Reapers are no longer a threat, and understand that Keepers are actually Reapers' creations, they will change their attitude to those creatures. Many scientists will eventually want to study them. And the Keepers are not actually suitable for keeping too curious people out.

So I think Keepers better to disappear. Literally. Become invisible, and restricted to the dangerous parts of the Citadel only. For the sake of the Keepers themselves.

Well, and actually Keepers are just workers. They are not suited for combat.

EDIT: Also, Keepers are just mindless mobile platforms, hasks. They can't be forced to do something. Restricting their movements will not be a "slavery".

Modifié par Seival, 17 août 2012 - 11:08 .

[Ageless Face]

Seival wrote...
When people will realize that the Reapers are no longer a threat, and understand that Keepers are actually Reapers' creations, they will change their attitude to those creatures. Many scientists will eventually want to study them. And the Keepers are not actually suitable for keeping too curious people out.

So I think Keepers better to disappear. Literally. Become invisible, and restricted to the dangerous parts of the Citadel only. For the sake of the Keepers themselves.

Well, and actually Keepers are just workers. They are not suited for combat.

EDIT: Also, Keepers are just mindless mobile platforms, hasks. They can't be forced to do something. Restricting their movements will not be a "slavery".

Who says people need to know who the Keepers are? No one said anything in the, what four years or so since Shepard found out, why will someone say anything now? Even if someone will, as I said, the Keepers know how to handle themselves. They will self destruct, as they did before.

The Keepers aren't just mindless husks. As I said, we don't know enough to make such claims. And in the chances that they aren't, however big or small, do you really think you have the right to mess with them, if they will even let you? 

[Ieldra]

As I see it, the Keepers were the Catalyst's drones and built-in immune system. Now Control!Shepard's drones and built-in immune system.

[Ageless Face]

Ieldra2 wrote...

As I see it, the Keepers were the Catalyst's drones and built-in immune system. Now Control!Shepard's drones and built-in immune system.

Maybe. But again, we can't really be sure of that, with so little knowlage about the Keepers.

And we definitely can't be sure that they are mindless. The fact that they turned on the Reapers is pretty much a proof for their evolution, that they are more than husks. And I don't think that AI Shep should control them, even if they were once the catalyst's slaves.

[Inprea]

I'm a supporter of control as I can't support destroy whenever it would kill all the geth and EDI. After all, when given a choice a paragon doesn't sacrifice others to save more. This was shown with the geth whenever destruction was the safer way but rewrite saved more lives. In Zhu's hope or however you spell it the paragon takes the more difficult path of not killing anyone.

Besides, from my perspective Shepard didn't die in the control ending but rather became something other then human. So long as the thoughts and memories are preserved I don't really consider the person dead. Now I would say as long as the soul is preserved I don't consider the person dead but we're talking sci-fi here and unless you have some evidence that the soul even exist in this story and didn't just switch bodies it really has no business in such an argument. So for me control doesn't involve sacrificing anyone except the reapers who just had someone take what appears to be absolute control of them.

I do believe that there are risk though. Even if Shepard is a paragon I can't help but point out the sovereign class reapers that are protecting London. To me having such massive reapers parked right there just watching over everything is a bit extreme. I worry that paragon Shepard will be become something of an over protective galactic parent. After all. Do you believe you could have a true debate on a heated political subject with a reaper standing perhaps one hundred meters away watching you?

There is also the temptation to refine and begin rewriting everyone to be kinder to one another. Now before anyone says maybe renegade would do that but paragon wouldn't keep in mind what was mentioned above. It was paragon that rewrote the geth. So evidence indicates that paragon would indeed alter the mind of others if it meant they'd get along better. Fortunately that was a difficult situation with little choice but then again that isn't the only time paragon Shepard has resorted to force to save someone's life even going against their will. Reager when you force him to set out of the fight for one.

I believe that control has the potential for a lot of good to happen but even if Shepard remains a benevolent paragon I believe there is the danger of a well intentioned extremist developing.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Wasn't their turning on the reapers a result of the Prothean's meddling with the command signal?

[Ageless Face]

pirate1802 wrote...

Wasn't their turning on the reapers a result of the Prothean's meddling with the command signal?

Yes, the command signal of the Citadel.

But weren't they indoctrinated to the Reapers, not to the Citadel?

While the evolution can be recognize as small, I believe it's much more than what a mindless husk will be able to do. The fact they managed to evlove more than to only answer to the Reapers is more than any other specie (that we know of) was able to do.

Modifié par HagarIshay, 18 août 2012 - 03:00 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

Inprea wrote...

I'm a supporter of control as I can't support destroy whenever it would kill all the geth and EDI. After all, when given a choice a paragon doesn't sacrifice others to save more. This was shown with the geth whenever destruction was the safer way but rewrite saved more lives. In Zhu's hope or however you spell it the paragon takes the more difficult path of not killing anyone.

Besides, from my perspective Shepard didn't die in the control ending but rather became something other then human. So long as the thoughts and memories are preserved I don't really consider the person dead. Now I would say as long as the soul is preserved I don't consider the person dead but we're talking sci-fi here and unless you have some evidence that the soul even exist in this story and didn't just switch bodies it really has no business in such an argument. So for me control doesn't involve sacrificing anyone except the reapers who just had someone take what appears to be absolute control of them.

I do believe that there are risk though. Even if Shepard is a paragon I can't help but point out the sovereign class reapers that are protecting London. To me having such massive reapers parked right there just watching over everything is a bit extreme. I worry that paragon Shepard will be become something of an over protective galactic parent. After all. Do you believe you could have a true debate on a heated political subject with a reaper standing perhaps one hundred meters away watching you?

There is also the temptation to refine and begin rewriting everyone to be kinder to one another. Now before anyone says maybe renegade would do that but paragon wouldn't keep in mind what was mentioned above. It was paragon that rewrote the geth. So evidence indicates that paragon would indeed alter the mind of others if it meant they'd get along better. Fortunately that was a difficult situation with little choice but then again that isn't the only time paragon Shepard has resorted to force to save someone's life even going against their will. Reager when you force him to set out of the fight for one.

I believe that control has the potential for a lot of good to happen but even if Shepard remains a benevolent paragon I believe there is the danger of a well intentioned extremist developing.

Shepard plays god in both control and synthesis. I personally believe it is better to play god once and die out, rather than be the god for eternity.

[Seival]

HagarIshay wrote...

Seival wrote...
When people will realize that the Reapers are no longer a threat, and understand that Keepers are actually Reapers' creations, they will change their attitude to those creatures. Many scientists will eventually want to study them. And the Keepers are not actually suitable for keeping too curious people out.

So I think Keepers better to disappear. Literally. Become invisible, and restricted to the dangerous parts of the Citadel only. For the sake of the Keepers themselves.

Well, and actually Keepers are just workers. They are not suited for combat.

EDIT: Also, Keepers are just mindless mobile platforms, hasks. They can't be forced to do something. Restricting their movements will not be a "slavery".

Who says people need to know who the Keepers are? No one said anything in the, what four years or so since Shepard found out, why will someone say anything now? Even if someone will, as I said, the Keepers know how to handle themselves. They will self destruct, as they did before.

The Keepers aren't just mindless husks. As I said, we don't know enough to make such claims. And in the chances that they aren't, however big or small, do you really think you have the right to mess with them, if they will even let you? 

I think it's obvious to everyone who knows that Citadel is the Reapers' creation. Sooner or later everyone will know about Keepers being the Reapers' workers... I'm sure Keepers are just hasks. They are weak beings, and worked for the Reapers for far too long. They can only be hasks, I suppose...

...And if some smart salarian managed to create a scaner which will not trigger Keeper self-destruct, then another smart salarian might be able to disable self-destruct mechanism. If that will happen, then some group can make the same mistake that was made in the Sanctuary, and pay dire price for that eventually.

Modifié par Seival, 18 août 2012 - 04:39 .

[Ageless Face]

Seival wrote...
I think it's obvious to everyone who knows that Citadel is the Reapers creation. Sooner or later everyone will know about Keepers being the Reapers' workers. I'm sure Keepers are just hasks. They are just weak beings, and worked for the Reapers for far too long. They can only be hasks I believe...

...And if some smart salarian managed to create a scaner which will not trigger Keeper self-destruct, then another smart salarian might be able to disable self-destruct mechanism. If that will happen, then some group can make the same mistake that was made in the Sanctuary, and pay dire price for that eventually.

Except that the Keepers don't work for the Reapers anymore. And they wouldn't have turned from them, if not for evolving their brain further. True, they are still answering to Citadel commands. But if not for them thinking beyond, they would never have gotten out of the Reapers' hold. That alone is making them more than simple husks. And that alone is enough for calling taking advantage of them inslaving. Wether or not you care for them being inslaved is another thing, but I see no reason why you shouldn't care.

If someone didn't try to do that until now, I doubt they'll give it much of a try later. I doubt there are even that many scientists who are even interested in the Keepers anymore. Even if they are and will eventually sucseed in doing so, then I'd guess that the keepers will have a backup plan. If the Keepers even have a dangerous information inside them, and they aren't just self destructing themselves because they don't want to be studied. I kind of doubt the reapers will be that stupid and create the Keepers with dangerous info inside them or something. Aside from the usual, that is.

And you know what? Even if people will eventually come to a state of managing to study the Keepers, and even if the Keepers hold dangrous info for Shepard in them, that still won't give AI Shep the right to start messing with them just because it's risky doing otherwise. The pack was suppose to contain the Reapers and the husks (and the latter will be cured, in my headcanon.  A bit of synthesis magic for them!). I don't see is as fair, letting AI Shep abuse his/her power further, and start controling being with a mind, or being that don't follow strict codes anyway (at least for all we know), just for safety sake. What next? Starting to use the indoctrination devices to indoc people?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

"The man who gave up his life to become the one who could save the many."

Best line to end the trilogy on?

[R3MUS]

Lizardviking wrote...

"The man who gave up his life to become the one who could save the many."

Best line to end the trilogy on?

That's what i am always saying! Amazing with the maleshep! Mark Meer did an awesome job. The tears wouldn't stop.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

R3MUS wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

"The man who gave up his life to become the one who could save the many."

Best line to end the trilogy on?

That's what i am always saying! Amazing with the maleshep! Mark Meer did an awesome job. The tears wouldn't stop.

I meant to include the Femshep version aswell, was just too lazy.