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[R3MUS]

Lizardviking wrote...

R3MUS wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

"The man who gave up his life to become the one who could save the many."

Best line to end the trilogy on?

That's what i am always saying! Amazing with the maleshep! Mark Meer did an awesome job. The tears wouldn't stop.

I meant to include the Femshep version aswell, was just too lazy.

Meh... Femshep... Never heard and don't want to hear it either.

[Seival]

HagarIshay wrote...

Seival wrote...
I think it's obvious to everyone who knows that Citadel is the Reapers creation. Sooner or later everyone will know about Keepers being the Reapers' workers. I'm sure Keepers are just hasks. They are just weak beings, and worked for the Reapers for far too long. They can only be hasks I believe...

...And if some smart salarian managed to create a scaner which will not trigger Keeper self-destruct, then another smart salarian might be able to disable self-destruct mechanism. If that will happen, then some group can make the same mistake that was made in the Sanctuary, and pay dire price for that eventually.

Except that the Keepers don't work for the Reapers anymore. And they wouldn't have turned from them, if not for evolving their brain further. True, they are still answering to Citadel commands. But if not for them thinking beyond, they would never have gotten out of the Reapers' hold. That alone is making them more than simple husks. And that alone is enough for calling taking advantage of them inslaving. Wether or not you care for them being inslaved is another thing, but I see no reason why you shouldn't care.

If someone didn't try to do that until now, I doubt they'll give it much of a try later. I doubt there are even that many scientists who are even interested in the Keepers anymore. Even if they are and will eventually sucseed in doing so, then I'd guess that the keepers will have a backup plan. If the Keepers even have a dangerous information inside them, and they aren't just self destructing themselves because they don't want to be studied. I kind of doubt the reapers will be that stupid and create the Keepers with dangerous info inside them or something. Aside from the usual, that is.

And you know what? Even if people will eventually come to a state of managing to study the Keepers, and even if the Keepers hold dangrous info for Shepard in them, that still won't give AI Shep the right to start messing with them just because it's risky doing otherwise. The pack was suppose to contain the Reapers and the husks (and the latter will be cured, in my headcanon.  A bit of synthesis magic for them!). I don't see is as fair, letting AI Shep abuse his/her power further, and start controling being with a mind, or being that don't follow strict codes anyway (at least for all we know), just for safety sake. What next? Starting to use the indoctrination devices to indoc people?

...So, you also find Synthesis mechanics still usefull in case of Control? I thought I was the only Control fan with such thoughts

...Yes, I suppose Keepers could be locally-Synthesized. As well as all other hasks by the way (but not before they will help to rebuild damaged cities).

[Ageless Face]

Seival wrote...
...So, you also find Synthesis mechanics still usefull in case of Control? I thought I was the only Control fan with such thoughts

...Yes, I suppose Keepers could be locally-Synthesized. As well as all other hasks by the way (but not before they will help to rebuild damaged cities).

Maybe not exactly synthesis, since I'd guess we can't use it anyway now and I really don't want to synthesise EVERYONE in the galaxy (unless they'll want to, that is)... But if some similar solution will come by that will let me channel it specifically to one group, husks, I see no reason why not to use that.

I'd guess you can use it for the Keepers. Provided that they'll even need it. Which I myself doubt.

Modifié par HagarIshay, 19 août 2012 - 03:27 .

[brandon3990]

Best thread in the forums? Happy to see other people love the control ending as much as i do.

[brandon3990]

Snake91 wrote...

brandon3990 wrote...

Best thread in the forums? Happy to see other people love the control ending as much as i do.

Control ending is awesome cos nobody dying and relays don't explode :D

DUUUUUDDDEEE!!! thats what i was saying.

[Seival]

HagarIshay wrote...

Seival wrote...
...So, you also find Synthesis mechanics still usefull in case of Control? I thought I was the only Control fan with such thoughts

...Yes, I suppose Keepers could be locally-Synthesized. As well as all other hasks by the way (but not before they will help to rebuild damaged cities).

Maybe not exactly synthesis, since I'd guess we can't use it anyway now and I really don't want to synthesise EVERYONE in the galaxy (unless they'll want to, that is)... But if some similar solution will come by that will let me channel it specifically to one group, husks, I see no reason why not to use that.

I'd guess you can use it for the Keepers. Provided that they'll even need it. Which I myself doubt.

Well, in case of Control Catalyst-Shepard could study Synthesis mechanics and improve it. Then it could prepare people for the Synthesis and eventually use it (globally if everyone agree, or locally, if someone disagree). Controlled Synthesis could be established without some major accidents which are inevitable in case of spontaneous Synthesis.

[OdanUrr]

Lizardviking wrote...

"The man who gave up his life to become the one who could save the many."

Best line to end the trilogy on?

Very nice, very nice indeed.

[DirtyPhoenix]

OdanUrr wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

"The man who gave up his life to become the one who could save the many."

Best line to end the trilogy on?

Very nice, very nice indeed.

For me it is "I am alive and I'm not alone."
What is the last line for Destroy? Don't seem to remember..

Modifié par pirate1802, 19 août 2012 - 02:54 .

[CrutchCricket]

Now that the Citadel is a confirmed Reaper construct organics will want to study the **** out of it, particularly in control, where the Reapers aren't dead, they just inexplicably stopped murdering everyone.

I think the best solution is to remove the Citadel from Organic hands entirely. Its purpose as the trap of galactic civilization is over. No reason for organics to still crawl all over it. Too dangerous, too unpredictable.

[Seival]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Now that the Citadel is a confirmed Reaper construct organics will want to study the **** out of it, particularly in control, where the Reapers aren't dead, they just inexplicably stopped murdering everyone.

I think the best solution is to remove the Citadel from Organic hands entirely. Its purpose as the trap of galactic civilization is over. No reason for organics to still crawl all over it. Too dangerous, too unpredictable.

...Or Catalyst-Shepard could study and improve Synthesis mechanics, prepare people for it, and use it eventually

...I think that Controled Synthesis in a very nice idea. Noone is forced, no sacrifices needed. And Citadel will become a living creature with Shepard's way of thinking and memories. Truely perfect ending

[Seival]

...The more I think about Synthesis performed by Catalyst-Shepard later (500 years after Control for example), the more I like this idea 

Modifié par Seival, 20 août 2012 - 07:51 .

[Seival]

By the way. I wonder how many Control fans like the idea of Catalyst-Shepard preparing people to the Synthesis

[Ranger1337]

Project Lazarus II . Resurrect Shepard's body by letting Harbinger-Shepard assume direct control of the new body . Shepard lives .

Probem?

[CrutchCricket]

Seival wrote...
...Or Catalyst-Shepard could study and improve Synthesis mechanics, prepare people for it, and use it eventually

...I think that Controled Synthesis in a very nice idea. Noone is forced, no sacrifices needed. And Citadel will become a living creature with Shepard's way of thinking and memories. Truely perfect ending

That has nothing to do with what I said about the Citadel. Why are you quoting me?

But to answer your point(s), I do not accept the holokid's bull**** logic and I never will. And synthesis as presented is a retarded fairy tale unworthy of Commander's attention. I see no reason why it would ever just up and decide to mix organics and synthetics together like a bratty three year old smashing together lego pieces that clearly don't fit.

That being said the concept of a hybrid techno-organic life form and what it means to life as it currently exists is fascinating. If such beings were to suddenly emerge onto the galactic scene like the ISOs in TRON Legacy, now that would be a great way to explore the themes synthesis tries to get at and fails. And more because you'd be dealing with the full spectrum of consequences, from socio-political to scientific to personal. It would be a true exploration of the nature and definition of life, not a silly fantasy copout along the lines of "oh we're all green and glowyeyed now, guess we must be friends lololol"


Please.

And I know I'm but one voice in this thread but can we please stick to discussing Control? It's literally the only thing I care about from Mass Effect now apart from certain characters and there is nowhere else to talk about it.

[Seival]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Seival wrote...
...Or Catalyst-Shepard could study and improve Synthesis mechanics, prepare people for it, and use it eventually

...I think that Controled Synthesis in a very nice idea. Noone is forced, no sacrifices needed. And Citadel will become a living creature with Shepard's way of thinking and memories. Truely perfect ending

That has nothing to do with what I said about the Citadel. Why are you quoting me?

But to answer your point(s), I do not accept the holokid's bull**** logic and I never will. And synthesis as presented is a retarded fairy tale unworthy of Commander's attention. I see no reason why it would ever just up and decide to mix organics and synthetics together like a bratty three year old smashing together lego pieces that clearly don't fit.

That being said the concept of a hybrid techno-organic life form and what it means to life as it currently exists is fascinating. If such beings were to suddenly emerge onto the galactic scene like the ISOs in TRON Legacy, now that would be a great way to explore the themes synthesis tries to get at and fails. And more because you'd be dealing with the full spectrum of consequences, from socio-political to scientific to personal. It would be a true exploration of the nature and definition of life, not a silly fantasy copout along the lines of "oh we're all green and glowyeyed now, guess we must be friends lololol"


Please.

And I know I'm but one voice in this thread but can we please stick to discussing Control? It's literally the only thing I care about from Mass Effect now apart from certain characters and there is nowhere else to talk about it.

We keep discussing Control, actually. Synthesis as a possible Control long-terms outcome fits Control discussion pretty well, I think. Personally, I don't like Synthesis which can be performed during ME3 ending too. But I like the idea of Catalyst-Shepard improving Synthesis mechanics, and preparing Galactic Civilization for transformation. Controled Synthesis may add a lot of benefits without creating too much additional problems.

[Seival]

Well, if BioWare have plans to make a sequel-story with new protagonist, then they can't build it around Control itself. Galactic Civilization has too strong Defender in this case. The whole story about asking Catalyst-Shepard for help? That would be VERY short story

...I think they either will not make any new story in ME Universe, or make Synthesis inevitable no matter the final choice in ME3.

There is a way to make inevitable Synthesis and avoid making any of ME3 endings "canon":
http://social.biowar...ndex/13740862/1 
I think Control has very interesting consequences in described idea.

Modifié par Seival, 22 août 2012 - 10:59 .

[CrutchCricket]

No, synthesis is not inevitable and I very much resent these continued implications.

As for post ME3, Control actually offers the best jumping off point because it's the ending that leaves the most intact. Yes there is widespread destruction but every race is still accounted for, and they're all themselves, not glowy green, land of happiness and chocolates bull****. As for Commander, the disconnect is inevitable. Setting the next story a few centuries in the future is perfectly acceptable. Even if it's pre-disconnect the most logical way for Commander to operate is indirectly, through agents, and very little at that. Meanwhile you have so many issues to explore with the age of strife, inter-species politics and how civilization will grow and mutate, it's astounding. I'm already going through that in my head and the possibilities are truly endless. Even with all the **** done to it, this ME universe really could develop as much as the Star Wars EU.

Pity it won't in any official capacity. But maybe that's for the best. I like how it's developing in my head.

[Seival]

CrutchCricket wrote...

No, synthesis is not inevitable and I very much resent these continued implications.

As for post ME3, Control actually offers the best jumping off point because it's the ending that leaves the most intact. Yes there is widespread destruction but every race is still accounted for, and they're all themselves, not glowy green, land of happiness and chocolates bull****. As for Commander, the disconnect is inevitable. Setting the next story a few centuries in the future is perfectly acceptable. Even if it's pre-disconnect the most logical way for Commander to operate is indirectly, through agents, and very little at that. Meanwhile you have so many issues to explore with the age of strife, inter-species politics and how civilization will grow and mutate, it's astounding. I'm already going through that in my head and the possibilities are truly endless. Even with all the **** done to it, this ME universe really could develop as much as the Star Wars EU.

Pity it won't in any official capacity. But maybe that's for the best. I like how it's developing in my head.

Personally, I don't wanna ME Universe to become a "New Star Wars". Star Wars is just a "fantasy with starships and lasers". No story. Just a silly advanture for kids, like a Harry Potter...

...I expect more deep and instructive stories based on ME Universe. Inventing a "new Reaper Threat" will just repeat the original story. In that case they just better create a remake, which most fans will buy for sure. And prequels have no potential at all (nothing interesting happend before ME1 events). So, I believe that inevitable Synthesis no matter the ME3 final choice is the only way. And I really like the idea of Controled Synthesis.

[estebanus]

Seival wrote...

Personally, I don't wanna ME Universe to become a "New Star Wars". Star Wars is just a "fantasy with starships and lasers". No story. Just a silly advanture for kids, like a Harry Potter...

Wow. You dislike both Star Wars and Harry Potter? That's a double fail if I ever saw one.

[Seival]

estebanus wrote...

Seival wrote...

Personally, I don't wanna ME Universe to become a "New Star Wars". Star Wars is just a "fantasy with starships and lasers". No story. Just a silly advanture for kids, like a Harry Potter...

Wow. You dislike both Star Wars and Harry Potter? That's a double fail if I ever saw one.

I don't like fairy tales.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

HagarIshay wrote...
Maybe not exactly synthesis, since I'd
guess we can't use it anyway now and I really don't want to synthesise
EVERYONE in the galaxy (unless they'll want to, that is)... But if some similar solution will come by that will let me channel it specifically to one group, husks, I see no reason why not to use that.

Why would you want to synthesize husks?

No, all husk should be terminated upon control.

Pirate1802 wrote...

For me it is "I am alive and I'm not alone."

Urgh. Most disgusting and worst ****ing line in the whole goddamn trilogy.

Seival wrote...

Well, if BioWare have plans to make a sequel-story with new protagonist, then they can't build it around Control itself. Galactic Civilization has too strong Defender in this case. The whole story about asking Catalyst-Shepard for help? That would be VERY short story

...I think they either will not make any new story in ME Universe, or make Synthesis inevitable no matter the final choice in ME3.

Seival wrote...
...I expect more deep and instructive stories
based on ME Universe. Inventing a "new Reaper Threat" will just repeat
the original story. In that case they just better create a remake, which
most fans will buy for sure. And prequels have no potential at all
(nothing interesting happend before ME1 events). So, I believe that
inevitable Synthesis no matter the ME3 final choice is the only way. And
I really like the idea of Controled Synthesis.

The idea that all stories have to carry some sort of galactic threat and that is why a post control game would never work is wrong. Stories do not have to be large in scale. The same goes for your statement about prequels, we can easily have a game that takes place before ME1 and still be interesting (in fact, I am hoping for a spygame set before ME1).

I think both your statements speaks more of a lack of creativity.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 22 août 2012 - 10:24 .

[Anti-killer]

[CrutchCricket]

Seival wrote...
I don't like fairy tales.

Yet you like synthesis....

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 22 août 2012 - 09:48 .

[estebanus]

Seival wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Seival wrote...

Personally, I don't wanna ME Universe to become a "New Star Wars". Star Wars is just a "fantasy with starships and lasers". No story. Just a silly advanture for kids, like a Harry Potter...

Wow. You dislike both Star Wars and Harry Potter? That's a double fail if I ever saw one.

I don't like fairy tales.

Then why do you even play Mass Effect? it's no less a fairy tale than Star Wars. Star Wars however, had a much greater impact on the world and sci-fi than Mass Effect ever will.

So, I guess you also don't like lord of the rings," right? Or "1984?"