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[CrutchCricket]

Lizardviking wrote...
The idea that all stories have to carry some sort of galactic threat and that is why a post control game would never work is wrong. Stories do not have to be large in scale. The same goes for your statement about prequels, we can easily have a game that takes place before ME1 and still be interesting (in fact, I am hoping for a spygame set before ME1).

I think both your statements speaks more of a lack of creativity.

For a second there I thought you had said the opposite. But I agree with you.

I remember reading a huge ass post a few months back about how the Reaper threat is almost superfluous to the ME world in terms of interesting stories you can build. The point was that the different species and issues they had with one another could crank out volumes and volumes of interesting stories without ever going to the galactic threat level.

Bioware is praised for its characters and Mass Effect is anything but original. And yet I believe they've built their world really well. And leading up to ME3 I didn't even really care about defeating the Reapers. I just kept thinking of all the stories that can explore that world after ME3 (in my own head of course), provided it was left intact. That's part of the reason why the endings are still a load of fail for the most part. But at least control does the least damage, and provides some newer avenues of exploration.

[Seival]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Seival wrote...
I don't like fairy tales.

Yet you like synthesis....

And I don't really understand why some people still think that Synthesis is a "fairy tale".

[estebanus]

Seival wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

Seival wrote...
I don't like fairy tales.

Yet you like synthesis....

And I don't really understand why some people still think that Synthesis is a "fairy tale".

Because it is? Even the bible is less of a fairytale than synthesis. At least the bible has a few things that actually make sense.

[Seival]

estebanus wrote...

Seival wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

Seival wrote...
I don't like fairy tales.

Yet you like synthesis....

...

And I don't really understand why some people still think that Synthesis is a "fairy tale".

Because it is? Even the bible is less of a fairytale than synthesis. At least the bible has a few things that actually make sense.

Synthesis is incredible, but it's not a fairy tale... At least for me. But I'll never choose Synthesis before choosing Control of course.

[Seival]

estebanus wrote...

Seival wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Seival wrote...

Personally, I don't wanna ME Universe to become a "New Star Wars". Star Wars is just a "fantasy with starships and lasers". No story. Just a silly advanture for kids, like a Harry Potter...

Wow. You dislike both Star Wars and Harry Potter? That's a double fail if I ever saw one.

I don't like fairy tales.

Then why do you even play Mass Effect? it's no less a fairy tale than Star Wars. Star Wars however, had a much greater impact on the world and sci-fi than Mass Effect ever will.

So, I guess you also don't like lord of the rings," right? Or "1984?"

ME Trilogy is sci-fi, not a fantasy. I like ME Trilogy, I like DE:HR, I like Prey (only the first one of course), I like Crysis (also only the first one). Also, I like Appleseed 1 and 2 movies. But I don't like Star Wars, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings and anything similar.

Modifié par Seival, 23 août 2012 - 11:06 .

[estebanus]

Seival wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Seival wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Seival wrote...

Personally, I don't wanna ME Universe to become a "New Star Wars". Star Wars is just a "fantasy with starships and lasers". No story. Just a silly advanture for kids, like a Harry Potter...

Wow. You dislike both Star Wars and Harry Potter? That's a double fail if I ever saw one.

I don't like fairy tales.

Then why do you even play Mass Effect? it's no less a fairy tale than Star Wars. Star Wars however, had a much greater impact on the world and sci-fi than Mass Effect ever will.

So, I guess you also don't like lord of the rings," right? Or "1984?"

ME Trilogy is sci-fi, not a fantasy. I like ME Trilogy, I like DE:HR, I like Prey (only the first one of course), I like Crysis (also only the first one). Also, I like Appleseed 1 and 2 movies. But I don't like Star Wars, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings and anything similar.

Aaaand triple fail. I wonder if we'll get a quadruple fail...

Modifié par estebanus, 23 août 2012 - 02:43 .

[saracen16]

Hey, control supporters, I have a question. When the Catalyst said something along the line that the connection to humanity - the rest of our species - would be lost should we choose to control the Reapers (one of my non-canon playthroughs chose control as an ending, and the other non-canon chose destroy, but that's besides the point), what does that mean to you? I mean, obviously, we cease to be human and become something else, but is there something that is positive or negative about that?

[ATiBotka]

saracen16 wrote...

Hey, control supporters, I have a question. When the Catalyst said something along the line that the connection to humanity - the rest of our species - would be lost should we choose to control the Reapers (one of my non-canon playthroughs chose control as an ending, and the other non-canon chose destroy, but that's besides the point), what does that mean to you? I mean, obviously, we cease to be human and become something else, but is there something that is positive or negative about that?

Negative. After Shepard becomes an AI, he will no longer understand organics. His goal is to ensure peace between organics and synthetics. But what if organics didn't approve his methods?

[saracen16]

ATiBotka wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Hey, control supporters, I have a question. When the Catalyst said something along the line that the connection to humanity - the rest of our species - would be lost should we choose to control the Reapers (one of my non-canon playthroughs chose control as an ending, and the other non-canon chose destroy, but that's besides the point), what does that mean to you? I mean, obviously, we cease to be human and become something else, but is there something that is positive or negative about that?

Negative. After Shepard becomes an AI, he will no longer understand organics. His goal is to ensure peace between organics and synthetics. But what if organics didn't approve his methods?

That's a possibility, but I think I'll make a thread about this.

[MerchantGOL]

ATiBotka wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Hey, control supporters, I have a question. When the Catalyst said something along the line that the connection to humanity - the rest of our species - would be lost should we choose to control the Reapers (one of my non-canon playthroughs chose control as an ending, and the other non-canon chose destroy, but that's besides the point), what does that mean to you? I mean, obviously, we cease to be human and become something else, but is there something that is positive or negative about that?

Negative. After Shepard becomes an AI, he will no longer understand organics. His goal is to ensure peace between organics and synthetics. But what if organics didn't approve his methods?

i  dont know where you got that, he understands the man he was and will operate by that mans  morals and desires.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

saracen16 wrote...

Hey, control supporters, I have a question. When the Catalyst said something along the line that the connection to humanity - the rest of our species - would be lost should we choose to control the Reapers (one of my non-canon playthroughs chose control as an ending, and the other non-canon chose destroy, but that's besides the point), what does that mean to you? I mean, obviously, we cease to be human and become something else, but is there something that is positive or negative about that?

I did not take it as simply losing my connection to humanity, I took it as organics as a whole. Shepard will survive, but he will never be the same as he was before, and therefor he will not be able to interact with anyone as he would as an organic. Shepard would not be able to continue the relationship he had with his LI for example (cheesy example, but I am just using an obvious one).

Quite a negative interpretation, but that is how I see it. In control, Shepard damns himself for all eternity.

[ATiBotka]

MerchantGOL wrote...

i  dont know where you got that, he understands the man he was and will operate by that mans  morals and desires.

That's true. His morals are still the same. But still, he's just an AI.

Modifié par ATiBotka, 23 août 2012 - 09:12 .

[MerchantGOL]

[quote]ATiBotka wrote...

[quote]MerchantGOL wrote...

[quote]ATiBotka wrote...

[quote]saracen16 wrote...

Hey, control supporters, I have a question. When the Catalyst said something along the line that the connection to humanity - the rest of our species - would be lost should we choose to control the Reapers (one of my non-canon playthroughs chose control as an ending, and the other non-canon chose destroy, but that's besides the point), what does that mean to you? I mean, obviously, we cease to be human and become something else, but is there something that is positive or negative about that?[/quote]

Negative. After Shepard becomes an AI, he will no longer understand organics. His goal is to ensure peace between organics and synthetics. But what if organics didn't approve his methods?

i  dont know where you got that, he understands the man he was and will operate by that mans  morals and desires.
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That's true. His morals are still the same. But still, he's just an AI.

[/quote]So are Edi and Legion and i Trusted both of them more then some of the organics on my crew from a moral stand point

[ATiBotka]

MerchantGOL wrote...

So are Edi and Legion and i Trusted both of them more then some of the organics on my crew from a moral stand point

Yes, but they didn't had an army of Reapers under their control.

[Seival]

saracen16 wrote...

Hey, control supporters, I have a question. When the Catalyst said something along the line that the connection to humanity - the rest of our species - would be lost should we choose to control the Reapers (one of my non-canon playthroughs chose control as an ending, and the other non-canon chose destroy, but that's besides the point), what does that mean to you? I mean, obviously, we cease to be human and become something else, but is there something that is positive or negative about that?

You can find my answer to your question in OP

[CrutchCricket]

saracen16 wrote...

Hey, control supporters, I have a question. When the Catalyst said something along the line that the connection to humanity - the rest of our species - would be lost should we choose to control the Reapers (one of my non-canon playthroughs chose control as an ending, and the other non-canon chose destroy, but that's besides the point), what does that mean to you? I mean, obviously, we cease to be human and become something else, but is there something that is positive or negative about that?

Short version: Think Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen. He loses his connection to humanity through percieving their toils as trivial compared to his broadened view.

Long answer: Check the sig: Control Explained.

Eventually the control entity will completely disconnect from and ignore organics. So the whole "galactic protector/dictator" thing people keep going on about? Ain't gonna last.

Has nothing to do with the ability to interact with organics. That's child's play.

[Seival]

ATiBotka wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

So are Edi and Legion and i Trusted both of them more then some of the organics on my crew from a moral stand point

Yes, but they didn't had an army of Reapers under their control.

EDI had a lot of chances to harm Normandy crew or join the Reapers, but she didn't even have such thoughts. Even through she was based on Rogue VI from ME1. And the Geth could kill all Quarians long ago, but prefered to let them go. They asked the Reapers for help only to defend themselves. They were forced.

EDI and the Geth are unique synthetics. They always prefered to learn something good from their organic Creators.

[Peranor]

From what I gather the Shepard police AI is disconnected from the rest of the races, incapable of emotion. Created only to do one thing, uphold peace by all means. It won't end well.

[Comsky159]

anorling wrote...


From what I gather the Shepard police AI is disconnected from the rest of the races, incapable of emotion. Created only to do one thing, uphold peace by all means. It won't end well.

The AI absorbs the essence of who Shepard was, the 'Shepard experience' if you like. Ergo if you were a renegade what you say would probably apply, whereas for a paragon it's likely the exact opposite. It's emotionally apathetic tyrant vs. Galactic guardian/upholder of the ultimate democracy. 

In judging control people constantly overlook the polarity of tone between the dichotomous branchings of this ending.

[SeptimusMagistos]

I'm not exactly sure where the idea that Shepard has become indifferent or disconnected comes from.

Listening to the Paragon Control dialogue I definitely got the idea that Shepard was essentially restating his firm intention to keep interfering in galactic business just as he did in Rannoch, Tuchanka, and a hundred other worlds. I'm assuming that somewhere out there a Reaper destroyer is hunting down some random thing it overheard someone talking about.

[CrutchCricket]

SeptimusMagistos wrote...
I'm not exactly sure where the idea that Shepard has become indifferent or disconnected comes from.

Not that it has. But that it will.

The nature of the beast makes it inevitable.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 24 août 2012 - 04:11 .

[Seival]

The whole Shepard's story is about her/him interfering in galactic business. In case of Control she/he just changed the level and quality of that interfering. Control is the only ending, where Shepard still matters. In case of Synthesis and Destroy almost noone will care about her/him and her/his achievements. People will start making the same mistakes, and provoke the same troubles.

[Seival]

estebanus wrote...

Seival wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Seival wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Seival wrote...

Personally, I don't wanna ME Universe to become a "New Star Wars". Star Wars is just a "fantasy with starships and lasers". No story. Just a silly advanture for kids, like a Harry Potter...

Wow. You dislike both Star Wars and Harry Potter? That's a double fail if I ever saw one.

I don't like fairy tales.

Then why do you even play Mass Effect? it's no less a fairy tale than Star Wars. Star Wars however, had a much greater impact on the world and sci-fi than Mass Effect ever will.

So, I guess you also don't like lord of the rings," right? Or "1984?"

ME Trilogy is sci-fi, not a fantasy. I like ME Trilogy, I like DE:HR, I like Prey (only the first one of course), I like Crysis (also only the first one). Also, I like Appleseed 1 and 2 movies. But I don't like Star Wars, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings and anything similar.

Aaaand triple fail. I wonder if we'll get a quadruple fail...

Why do you call this a "fail"? I just don't like pure adventure stories. I think, I'm just too old for them. I need something more complicated.

[CrutchCricket]

Friends, Leviathan did not sabotage control. But that sabotage is coming. We must prepare. I will say no more until the rest of you are ready to discuss it.

[DarkSeraphym]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Friends, Leviathan did not sabotage control. But that sabotage is coming. We must prepare. I will say no more until the rest of you are ready to discuss it.

I bet it shows up in the Omega DLC. In the leaked script, there was mention of a side mission in which Shepard returns back beyond the Omega-4 Relay for Aria. I do not know whether or not they went merely for the ships that were beyond it, or for the base itself, but we do know that Cerberus has been messing around back there.