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[Comsky159]

Nevermind, I was being mean here.  Nothing to be gained from arguing with an echo.

Modifié par Comsky159, 01 septembre 2012 - 10:16 .

[CroGamer002]

Seival wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

is their any Good Control Ending Fanfiction?

I don't know. Too few people like Control. So, I guess there is no such fanfiction.

...But why do you need a fanfiction in first place?

Yeah, I was thinking to make one.

But my laziness and need to have someone for grammar check is stopping me from doing it.

[Seival]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Seival wrote...
"Dead thralls give no tribute"
"Dead trees give no oxigen"
"Dead rivers give no water"
"Wasted planet gives no life"
...and so on.

That the point. Evil when needed. Good when needed. Protect the Life and Nature Balance at any cost.

They are not "Mind-Flayers". They are "Druids". And their physiology is very similar to Asari (but much more advanced).

Asari, even the worst ardat-yaksh don't enslave you just by existing. And I have no idea where those other quotes came from but the one it actually says makes it pretty clear, they only cared that they were losing their slaves.

And like I said even if there is no direct proof of malevolence (I see plenty of hints though), they're too dangerous to live. they must all be destroyed.

"Dead trees give no oxigen"?
"Dead rivers give no water"?
"Wasted planet gives no life"?

Those are not quotes. Those are my own thoughts

Leviathans don't enslave anyone. They coexist with lesser races like a human coexists with bacteria. Did you ever think that all micro-life existing in your own body was enslaved by you? I don't think so.

For the Leviathans, mind-controlling and mental-communicating is as natural as breathing. This makes them unique, but they are not evil by nature. Evil creatures don't seek the ways to preserve life, and protect their thralls from themselves. Leviathans are True Neural creatures. Wise, reasonable, advanced, and misterious.

Modifié par Seival, 01 septembre 2012 - 02:35 .

[Seival]

CrutchCricket wrote...

And like I said even if there is no direct proof of malevolence (I see plenty of hints though), they're too dangerous to live. they must all be destroyed.

Did you kill Rachni queen in ME1? I didn't...

...Trying to kill someone just because you fear him is acting like a Destroyer.

Modifié par Seival, 01 septembre 2012 - 02:32 .

[Seival]

Mesina2 wrote...

Seival wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

is their any Good Control Ending Fanfiction?

I don't know. Too few people like Control. So, I guess there is no such fanfiction.

...But why do you need a fanfiction in first place?

Yeah, I was thinking to make one.

But my laziness and need to have someone for grammar check is stopping me from doing it.

[Seival]

Actually, I think there is no point in fanfictions. We better wait for the new stories in ME Universe from BioWare

Modifié par Seival, 01 septembre 2012 - 07:45 .

[CrutchCricket]

Seival wrote...
Leviathans don't enslave anyone. They coexist with lesser races like a human coexists with bacteria. Did you ever think that all micro-life existing in your own body was enslaved by you? I don't think so.

Ok, either you're ****ing with me, or you live on a completely different plane of reality. I don't even know if I should answer this. I would just recommend reading up on how bacteria work.

For the Leviathans, mind-controlling and mental-communicating is as natural as breathing. This makes them unique, but they are not evil by nature. Evil creatures don't seek the ways to preserve life, and protect their thralls from themselves. Leviathans are True Neural creatures. Wise, reasonable, advanced, and misterious.

Oh, well that's alright then. If it's as natural as breathing then sure, they can enslave the lot of us, deny the entire galaxy the right to exist freely, a right we've been fighting for the past three games. As long as they're not doing anything unnatural it's all good.<_<

You know what? We should leave the Reapers alone too. Hell "doing something natural" just means "doing what is in their nature". Reaper programming= Reaper nature, thus by your argument it's just dandy for them to melt down our friends and family and make us into more cuttlefish killbots.

Glad that's all sorted...

I think I'm done here. I consider myself a person who can handle their sarcasm but that took a lot out of me.

[Seival]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Seival wrote...
Leviathans don't enslave anyone. They coexist with lesser races like a human coexists with bacteria. Did you ever think that all micro-life existing in your own body was enslaved by you? I don't think so.

Ok, either you're ****ing with me, or you live on a completely different plane of reality. I don't even know if I should answer this. I would just recommend reading up on how bacteria work.

For the Leviathans, mind-controlling and mental-communicating is as natural as breathing. This makes them unique, but they are not evil by nature. Evil creatures don't seek the ways to preserve life, and protect their thralls from themselves. Leviathans are True Neural creatures. Wise, reasonable, advanced, and misterious.

Oh, well that's alright then. If it's as natural as breathing then sure, they can enslave the lot of us, deny the entire galaxy the right to exist freely, a right we've been fighting for the past three games. As long as they're not doing anything unnatural it's all good.<_<

You know what? We should leave the Reapers alone too. Hell "doing something natural" just means "doing what is in their nature". Reaper programming= Reaper nature, thus by your argument it's just dandy for them to melt down our friends and family and make us into more cuttlefish killbots.

Glad that's all sorted...

I think I'm done here. I consider myself a person who can handle their sarcasm but that took a lot out of me.

You show a strong desire to kill someone you fear (just in case). I suppose you killed Rachni Queen in ME1. Don't try to say you didn't, because this will invalidate everything you told about the Leviathans.

...And now I don't really understand why didn't you choose Destroy (just in case).

[CroGamer002]

I'm on @CrutchCricket side in this, but would attempt to avoid killing Levianths.


I mean, I seek them as a threat to freedom of everyone due to their desire of power and control. And we all know they can easily dominate everyone while easily disable a Reaper ship.


With having legion of Reapers on our side, Leviathan's can't go for direct attacks. It is too much they can handle.


So until they do something funny, they'll be only kept in check to stay within their own borders and not starting to get new slaves.




Also, Leviathan's are way worse then Reapers.
Reapers only follow their programing, Leviathan's chosen all of their actions and have no guilt over it.

[Seival]

Mesina2 wrote...

I'm on @CrutchCricket side in this, but would attempt to avoid killing Levianths.

I mean, I seek them as a threat to freedom of everyone due to their desire of power and control. And we all know they can easily dominate everyone while easily disable a Reaper ship.

With having legion of Reapers on our side, Leviathan's can't go for direct attacks. It is too much they can handle.

So until they do something funny, they'll be only kept in check to stay within their own borders and not starting to get new slaves.

Also, Leviathan's are way worse then Reapers.
Reapers only follow their programing, Leviathan's chosen all of their actions and have no guilt over it.

My point is that Leviathans never attacked anyone. And never will attack. They just exist, learn, and evolve. But they can act in self-defence if needed of course.

[Seival]

Just finished my second fan art.
BSN definitely requires more Liara... And more Control

[Reever]

Mesina2 wrote...

I'm on @CrutchCricket side in this, but would attempt to avoid killing Levianths.


I mean, I seek them as a threat to freedom of everyone due to their desire of power and control. And we all know they can easily dominate everyone while easily disable a Reaper ship.


With having legion of Reapers on our side, Leviathan's can't go for direct attacks. It is too much they can handle.


So until they do something funny, they'll be only kept in check to stay within their own borders and not starting to get new slaves.




Also, Leviathan's are way worse then Reapers.
Reapers only follow their programing, Leviathan's chosen all of their actions and have no guilt over it.

Did the Protheans show any guilt over their ruling of the "lesser" species?
I wouldn´t say they´re worse than Reapers, they at least "only" enslaved the species (there still being a chance for them to escape, or something ^^). And even so I don´t think their control would be all-compassing, since that would pretty much be impossible (I guess?) and then there would be no organics who´d build synthetics (and who would let them run amok on them xD).

When choosing Destroy, my Shep figures they know enough of their tactics to prevail (they know about the orbs, etc.) and hopes all will end good, one way or another. She/He figures the risks of Synthesis/Control to be far greater than the Leviathans after Destroy...

[IliyaMoroumetz]

While not a fan of any of the endings (My Shepard 'Captain Kirk'd' the Catalyst), I will not deny there's a subtle allure to Control... despite the fact a part of me is screaming that it's hypocrisy, but whatever.

I am currently writing a hopefully humorous rendition of the Control ending called "The Fun Filled Adventures of Reaper Lord Shepard".

I'll be sure and let you folks know when it's done.

And as far as the Leviathans are concerned... they're BBQ for the refugees. Extremely rare seafood! Yum!

Modifié par IliyaMoroumetz, 03 septembre 2012 - 04:21 .

[Seival]

I want to remind everyone who don't like creatures, like Leviathans, one important thing. Please, remember, that Control and Slavery are words with completely different meanings...

...Thralls and Slaves are also not quite the same terms by the way. And I want to note, that Leviathan called some lesser races "Thralls", while it called "Slaves" only posessed Reaper forces.

Modifié par Seival, 03 septembre 2012 - 09:42 .

[CroGamer002]

Well, I'm definitely wouldn't go on extinction hunt on Leviathans.

It is possible there are those who simply do not care about controlling others for own gains.

We did only talked to one and seen three of them.


You never know.

[Dragoonlordz]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Seival wrote...
Leviathans don't enslave anyone. They coexist with lesser races like a human coexists with bacteria. Did you ever think that all micro-life existing in your own body was enslaved by you? I don't think so.

Ok, either you're ****ing with me, or you live on a completely different plane of reality. I don't even know if I should answer this. I would just recommend reading up on how bacteria work.

For the Leviathans, mind-controlling and mental-communicating is as natural as breathing. This makes them unique, but they are not evil by nature. Evil creatures don't seek the ways to preserve life, and protect their thralls from themselves. Leviathans are True Neural creatures. Wise, reasonable, advanced, and misterious.

Oh, well that's alright then. If it's as natural as breathing then sure, they can enslave the lot of us, deny the entire galaxy the right to exist freely, a right we've been fighting for the past three games. As long as they're not doing anything unnatural it's all good.<_<

You know what? We should leave the Reapers alone too. Hell "doing something natural" just means "doing what is in their nature". Reaper programming= Reaper nature, thus by your argument it's just dandy for them to melt down our friends and family and make us into more cuttlefish killbots.

Glad that's all sorted...

I think I'm done here. I consider myself a person who can handle their sarcasm but that took a lot out of me.

Where do you get this strange idea the galaxy has ever lived freely anymore so prior than after control ending? If not the Reapers, then the council, if not the council then your own governments and authorities. Hell even your mother or father if want to go that far. Your always following someones rules or someones laws. There is always someone to keep you inline or out to punish you when break those rules and laws. In my ending I did not 'control' the galaxy anymore than the council always has meaning while I might be a leader of large military force (one that more often than not is used primarily to help rebuild what was destroyed), so is every world government and council itself controls such forces. Just in this case mine is stronger but as said it was only ever used to protect those who could not protect themselves.

Mine never interfered in general galaxy politics he just let them get on with whatever they wanted from the council to the worlds all the way down to the individuals on each planet were all just 'as free' as were before I took control of the Reapers. Everyone goes about their lives as normal as free as ever was only if they try to start a war I stop it and this does not mean wiping out planets or races. It is threat of conflict with my forces used and if does not work I merely take out the leader or go after the individual leaders behind the war. Just like council would do and just like my Shepard would do even if did not have an army to back him up. The only time ever interviene in my ending is when a war is about to break out I put a stop to it even if that just means the threat of conflict with my forces rather than actual resorting to ever firing a single weapon.

People keep using the term Shreaper but I could be a tellitubbie in my new form for lack of what it matters. What I do is more important and what I did I explained. Regardless of who I am, everything remains the same as I described in my endgame. Every race is alive, everyone is as free as ever was. I (whoever I may be) is protecting all races and the only freedom I took away was the right to wipe out another species or mass murder each other on whims. Everyone carries on their lives, the galaxy is still run by the races in it, I only step in to prevent war and use mere threat of conflict first which if fails only individuals are brought to justice not wiping out races or planets.

Trust can be built upon over centuries, millenia or however long around for. Once helped rebuild they will not be hanging around street corners chatting with people, they will only come out to prevent wars and mass murder as a last resort. First like said by way of threat of conflict with them if do not stop in attempting to commit genocide on another species or groups trying to start wars. Out of sight out of mind when not doing such. Their only purpose once I became the whatever wish to call me is to protect species, prevent war and prevent genocide. Self preservation of all races and all species includes protection of themselves.

Not by means of mass harvesting or butchering species. It goes for all races and governments, if war is their intention it is no different to a terrorist group. No war will be allowed, not governments and not Reapers. The ones behind the plot will be stopped but only the ones behind it. Just like if they tried to create weapons to attack another race the ones behind that as individuals would be stopped by minimum force possible. The Reapers are a race now in my ending no different to Geth or Humans. All are protected including the Reapers from war. No government leaders or scientists will be allowed to create weapons for the sole purpose of killing another species including the Reapers. Individuals are responsable not entire races and not worlds. Only the ones wanting to start a war will be held accountable.

You can distrust someone or something without trying to kill it. As for investigations into who is trying to start wars  that is quite simple really. A recruitment drive for those who wish to help, civilians of all races willing to assist in keeping the peace in the galaxy and there are many such people. Volunteering by free will to aid the strongest force in the galaxy to help keep peace, knowing all the facts about what that means (proximity to Reaper tech) then helping search out such things. Can have people all over the place passing back information. I am sure I can convince Liara (my one as opposed to your one) to help too using her network. Helping rebuild will be first step in gaining a little trust if required and stopping the genocides, wars and mass murders by council races against other council species will build favor with those races extremely fast which will happen over time. Plus the supplying of aid in form of resources will too.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 04 septembre 2012 - 06:03 .

[Ryoten]

"TIM deserves compassion, because he was a victim of his own "too Renegade way of thinking""


That's like saying the leaders of the Ku Kux Klan deserve compassion because they're victims of their own renegade thinking. God damn, this blows my mind.

[DeathScepter]

the difference between T.I.M. and leaders of the KKK, that KKK leaders were not indoctorinated by an Mech Cthulu and T.I.M. also had bad writers that made Cerberus LoL Stupid within ME3.

[Ryoten]

Cerberus is a pro human group known for being terrorists and harming alien life to advance their own cause.

KKK is a pro white/christian group known for being terrorists and harming ethnic groups for advance their own causes.

[DeathScepter]

Ryoten wrote...

Cerberus is a pro human group known for being terrorists and harming alien life to advance their own cause.

KKK is a pro white/christian group known for being terrorists and harming ethnic groups for advance their own causes.

Cerberus makes sense in context of the Mass Effect. And KKK doesn't

[CroGamer002]

Funny.

Cerberus harmed a lot more humans then aliens, even before ME3.

[ReD BaKen9]

Control is the most logical choice in my opinion

[CroGamer002]

^One of us! One of us!

[DirtyPhoenix]

BlueDemonX wrote...

Did the Protheans show any guilt over their ruling of the "lesser" species?
I wouldn´t say they´re worse than Reapers, they at least "only" enslaved the species (there still being a chance for them to escape, or something ^^). And even so I don´t think their control would be all-compassing, since that would pretty much be impossible (I guess?) and then there would be no organics who´d build synthetics (and who would let them run amok on them xD).

When choosing Destroy, my Shep figures they know enough of their tactics to prevail (they know about the orbs, etc.) and hopes all will end good, one way or another. She/He figures the risks of Synthesis/Control to be far greater than the Leviathans after Destroy...

Do we humans show any guilt for ruling over Earth and its earthlings? Leviathans are no better or worse in this respect. They have just found more intrusive methods of controlling, that's all. When a species, be it any species, is at the apex, it sees it normal to rule over lesser beings. And when the tables are turned they start to whine. remember what javik said? "Any could oppose us if they wished. many tried, none succeeded."
Guess they should have been okay with the reapers "trying."

[Ryoten]

DeathScepter wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

Cerberus is a pro human group known for being terrorists and harming alien life to advance their own cause.

KKK is a pro white/christian group known for being terrorists and harming ethnic groups for advance their own causes.

Cerberus makes sense in context of the Mass Effect. And KKK doesn't

KKK is a comparison to Cerberus, which is acurate.  Please re-evaluate your position.