Ryoten wrote...
DeathScepter wrote...
Ryoten wrote...
Cerberus is a pro human group known for being terrorists and harming alien life to advance their own cause.
KKK is a pro white/christian group known for being terrorists and harming ethnic groups for advance their own causes.
Cerberus makes sense in context of the Mass Effect. And KKK doesn't
KKK is a comparison to Cerberus, which is acurate. Please re-evaluate your position.
Modifié par Comsky159, 04 septembre 2012 - 12:51 .
Comsky159 wrote...
Had my ipod on shuffle while playing through the ending again (post-leviathan). Ended up with this one and found it somewhat appropriate
David Bowie - Heroes
Links don't work for some reason :/
Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 04 septembre 2012 - 02:43 .
Ryoten wrote...
"TIM deserves compassion, because he was a victim of his own "too Renegade way of thinking""
That's like saying the leaders of the Ku Kux Klan deserve compassion because they're victims of their own renegade thinking. God damn, this blows my mind.
ghost9191 wrote...
Ryoten wrote...
DeathScepter wrote...
Ryoten wrote...
Cerberus is a pro human group known for being terrorists and harming alien life to advance their own cause.
KKK is a pro white/christian group known for being terrorists and harming ethnic groups for advance their own causes.
Cerberus makes sense in context of the Mass Effect. And KKK doesn't
KKK is a comparison to Cerberus, which is acurate. Please re-evaluate your position.
since when did the Kool Kids Klub ever do anything like that <_<
Seival wrote...
Ryoten wrote...
"TIM deserves compassion, because he was a victim of his own "too Renegade way of thinking""
That's like saying the leaders of the Ku Kux Klan deserve compassion because they're victims of their own renegade thinking. God damn, this blows my mind.
Where would Shepard be if TIM didn't resurrect her in ME2? And who would save the galaxy in this case?
...Let's not forget that TIM did some good things too.
Shermos wrote...
Protecting the interests of Humanity?
All this is irrelevant. The argument isn't made from an absolute position and objective morality is a lie anyway.pirate1802 wrote...
BlueDemonX wrote...
Did the Protheans show any guilt over their ruling of the "lesser" species?
I wouldn´t say they´re worse than Reapers, they at least "only" enslaved the species (there still being a chance for them to escape, or something ^^). And even so I don´t think their control would be all-compassing, since that would pretty much be impossible (I guess?) and then there would be no organics who´d build synthetics (and who would let them run amok on them xD).
When choosing Destroy, my Shep figures they know enough of their tactics to prevail (they know about the orbs, etc.) and hopes all will end good, one way or another. She/He figures the risks of Synthesis/Control to be far greater than the Leviathans after Destroy...
Do we humans show any guilt for ruling over Earth and its earthlings? Leviathans are no better or worse in this respect. They have just found more intrusive methods of controlling, that's all. When a species, be it any species, is at the apex, it sees it normal to rule over lesser beings. And when the tables are turned they start to whine. remember what javik said? "Any could oppose us if they wished. many tried, none succeeded."
Guess they should have been okay with the reapers "trying."
Modifié par CrutchCricket, 05 septembre 2012 - 01:58 .
CrutchCricket wrote...
All this is irrelevant. The argument isn't made from an absolute position and objective morality is a lie anyway.
Whether Leviathans think it right or whether we or anyone else would do any different in that situation was never the point.
When you have the power, you do what you want. The strong take what they need and the weak have to accept it (unless they become strong enough to challenge). It's a fact of life, despite whatever sentimental denials you can cook up.
We have become strong enough to challenge permanent galactic enslavement. And since we're not down with that, we will challenge it and (hopefully overcome).
Leviathans indeed do no different. They were strong enough to enslave the galaxy once and they did so. Then they created something stronger (the Reapers) which overturned them. Now with the Reapers no longer holding them in check, they are (or will be) strong enough to resume enslaving. Unless we are strong enough to stop them.
The only permanent solution is their destruction. Not because they are abominations or they're doing something we wouldn't. But because we don't like what they want and have the power to stop them.
Modifié par pirate1802, 05 septembre 2012 - 02:13 .
Shermos wrote...
A little bit of nationalism isn't a bad thing. Especially when the galactic community isn't all sunshine and farts. That's why most countries in the real word have a military and intelligence agencies.
The Russians have a saying and i think it's relevant here; "Be good neighbours, but build a fence". Cerberus was meant to be that fence.
Shermos wrote...
A little bit of nationalism isn't a bad thing. Especially when the galactic community isn't all sunshine and farts. That's why most countries in the real word have a military and intelligence agencies.
The Russians have a saying and i think it's relevant here; "Be good neighbours, but build a fence". Cerberus was meant to be that fence.
Guest_wiggles_*
It's a harsh galaxy.SeptimusMagistos wrote...
Shermos wrote...
Protecting the interests of Humanity?
At the expense of other species if necessary.
spinachdiaper wrote...
Control is the "better to rule in hell than serve in heaven" ending
Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 06 septembre 2012 - 12:38 .
Seival wrote...
Shermos wrote...
A little bit of nationalism isn't a bad thing. Especially when the galactic community isn't all sunshine and farts. That's why most countries in the real word have a military and intelligence agencies.
The Russians have a saying and i think it's relevant here; "Be good neighbours, but build a fence". Cerberus was meant to be that fence.
Correct. But that isn't called "nationalism". That called "caution".
Modifié par Shermos, 06 septembre 2012 - 11:34 .
Dragoonlordz wrote...
Control is better to rule in hell then turn it into heaven as opposed to serve in hell and then die and go to heaven.
Dragoonlordz wrote...
spinachdiaper wrote...
Control is the "better to rule in hell than serve in heaven" ending
Control is better to rule in hell then turn it into heaven as opposed to serve in hell and then die and go to heaven.
Personally I do not like TiM and I think he should die. I have more trust in influence my Shepard would have than him.
Shermos wrote...
The Russians have a saying and i think it's relevant here; "Be good neighbours, but build a fence". Cerberus was meant to be that fence.
wiggles89 wrote...
It's a harsh galaxy.SeptimusMagistos wrote...
Shermos wrote...
Protecting the interests of Humanity?
At the expense of other species if necessary.
Shermos wrote...
The thing is that a sense of nationalism (in moderation) can help lead to being cautious. It also helps keep the people on side in tough times.
Don't get me wrong. I am all for peaceful and friendly relations with other nations, not to mention forming alliances, but a little bit of nationalism doesn't hurt. Cerberus just went too far with it. Like I said, it's original ideals and plans became polluted because of the influence of indoctrination.
I agree Dragoonlordz. Control is the best choice, it's just that TIM isn't the man to do make it happen. Shepard is.
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