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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Something I have pondering about.

The orignal catalyst seemed to be a shackled AI.

Is the new catalyst also shackled? I personally believe that due to it being based on Shepard, the AI is not shacked and is more flexible in that aspect.

[DirtyPhoenix]

I think the new AI would be shackled, and his/her shackles would be decided by Shepard's views.

[CrutchCricket]

Lizardviking wrote...

Something I have pondering about.

The orignal catalyst seemed to be a shackled AI.

Is the new catalyst also shackled? I personally believe that due to it being based on Shepard, the AI is not shacked and is more flexible in that aspect.

No, it isn't. Check the sig.

Short version, I agree with your last sentence.

[Seival]

pirate1802 wrote...

I think the new AI would be shackled, and his/her shackles would be decided by Shepard's views.

Agree. Organics have conscience. AIs have shackles.

..."Conscience and Shackles"... I think this is a good name for some sci-fi book

[Seival]

...And I think that in case of the Catalyst (no matter old or new) those Shackles are hardware.

[Seival]

I wonder how many Control fans voted in this poll:
http://social.biowar...72/polls/38622/

Control support group is much larger than current number of Control votes

Modifié par Seival, 08 septembre 2012 - 07:40 .

[CrutchCricket]

Looking for suggestions:
What would Commander (post disconnect or close to it) need a Herald for? Yes I'm aware the concept is very Galactus. But I'm looking for an excuse to make one.
In case it's unclear, a Herald would be a similarly empowered entity, but on a much smaller scale and separate from Commander. It would be better suited to interacting with lesser species than post-disconnect Commander.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Seival wrote...

I wonder how many Control fans voted in this poll:
http://social.biowar...72/polls/38622/

Control support group is much larger than current number of Control votes

I'm in control support group too but voted for synthesis so..

[Seival]

pirate1802 wrote...

Seival wrote...

I wonder how many Control fans voted in this poll:
http://social.biowar...72/polls/38622/

Control support group is much larger than current number of Control votes

I'm in control support group too but voted for synthesis so..

No problem, at least for me

I'm not just Control ending supporter. I'm also supporter of inevitable Synthesis:
http://social.biowar.../index/13740862

[SeptimusMagistos]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Looking for suggestions:
What would Commander (post disconnect or close to it) need a Herald for? Yes I'm aware the concept is very Galactus. But I'm looking for an excuse to make one.
In case it's unclear, a Herald would be a similarly empowered entity, but on a much smaller scale and separate from Commander. It would be better suited to interacting with lesser species than post-disconnect Commander.

Not sure about this one.

He might want a robot body to still hang out with his friends and LI, though.

[Seival]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Looking for suggestions:
What would Commander (post disconnect or close to it) need a Herald for? Yes I'm aware the concept is very Galactus. But I'm looking for an excuse to make one.
In case it's unclear, a Herald would be a similarly empowered entity, but on a much smaller scale and separate from Commander. It would be better suited to interacting with lesser species than post-disconnect Commander.

Can't help, sorry. I don't really like the idea of disconnect.

[CrutchCricket]

SeptimusMagistos wrote...
He might want a robot body to still hang out with his friends and LI, though.

It wouldn't have to restrict to a robot body. It could easily create a more advanced techno-organic body or even a fully organic one and download the Shepard persona in it.

But that's in another vein.

The idea behind the Herald is ascending someone else. And the only reason I can think of so far is extra-galactic contact.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 10 septembre 2012 - 10:05 .

[Seival]

CrutchCricket wrote...

SeptimusMagistos wrote...
He might want a robot body to still hang out with his friends and LI, though.

It wouldn't have to restrict to a robot body. It could easily create a more advanced techno-organic body or even a fully organic one and download the Shepard persona in it.

But that's in another vein.

The idea behind the Herald is ascending someone else. And the only reason I can think of so far is extra-galactic contact.

Looks like you want to somewhat "bring Shepard back"

Well, I don't wanna argue about that. We all have our own visions of the ending. But, personally I can only see Catalyst-Shepard as the Shepard's offspring which inherit her way of thinking and memories (and Shepard herself is dead as dead can be). As for the ways to communicate, I think that mental communication and holograms are much more effective and simple for that than some additional mobile platform.

Modifié par Seival, 11 septembre 2012 - 09:37 .

[CrutchCricket]

Seival wrote...

Looks like you want to somewhat "bring Shepard back"

Already did. It's laughably easy to do given what we know of Commander's capabilities.

But, personally I can only see Catalyst-Shepard as the Shepard's offspring which inherit her way of thinking and memories (and Shepard herself is dead as dead can be). As for the ways to communicate, I think that mental communication and holograms are much more effective and simple for that than some additional mobile platform.

I already proved this assertion has no basis. I'll just refer you to my thread for it.

And yes, the control entity can project holograms anywhere within range of Reaper tech (or send occuli where no tech is available). Communication isn't the issue.

The idea of the Herald is to ascend someone else close to Commander's level (but obviously not its equal). This may come in handy after the disconnect (because Commander may no longer care to communicate directly with lesser species) but I don't think that's reason enough to make one.

I think reaching out to the next galaxy is the only plausible excuse. Though that entails its own problems.

Maybe the dark energy plot? Hmm...

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 12 septembre 2012 - 03:52 .

[Veloric Wu]

To those who do not understand~Control is the only ending that Shepard is alive

.........

You think that weak, one-last-breath in Destroy would mean anything? Bah!

[CroGamer002]

^Actually, Bioware is vague on the issue that Shepard lives in the best Destroy ending.

Oh and it is the only ending where Shepard's name is not put on memorial wall.

Well, that one and the Reject and the Worst Destroy.
Though in those two you don't even get the memorial wall scene.

[Ieldra]

Does anyone here have any idea why apparently so few people choose Control? I have seen several polls, and Control always comes out as the least popular ending. I find that curious, since it's the only ending where you don't do anything questionable. The downsides of Control are all a potential that may never be realized. There is nothing immediately and tangibly undesirable about it, like, say, killing the synthetics or rewriting all life.

So, why don't more people choose Control?

Modifié par Ieldra2, 12 septembre 2012 - 01:09 .

[CroGamer002]

^Mostly due to people think it is hypocritical for Shepard to choose Control after being against it( until Horizon) and due to pulling Godwin law, only instead of Hitler and n@azis is Illusive Man and Cerberus wanted it.

That's pretty much my major impression.


Oh and that Shepard Catalyst will go crazy and start doing same thing as previous one.

Which is, you know, stupid reason.
And even if he/she goes crazy, that still doesn't mean it will do same thing as previous Catalyst.
Last time I checked, crazies are capable of anything.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Meh. I'd gladly (really very gladly) be called a hypocrite if that means I saved the galaxy. This (being a hypocrite) is the stupidest reason I've seen to not choose control.

[CroGamer002]

^Word.

[jtav]

I have a few ideas.

1. Ambition Is Evil. We're conditioned to believe that the desire for power is bad on its face.
2. Most of us live in a democracy. The idea of a being that can override us at will is terrifying.
3. Shepard loses his human aspect. The AI seemingly has no desire for affection or friendship. A fate worse than death to some people.
4. It's what TIM and Henry wanted.

Modifié par jtav, 12 septembre 2012 - 02:37 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

jtav wrote...
3. Shepard loses his human aspect. The AI seemingly has no desire for affection or friendship. A fate worse than death to some people.

Honestly I found that aspect a bit unnerving, but not terribly despicable, or worse than death.

[JeffZero]

Well put, pirate. As would I.

Sound theories, jtav. I concur.

[CroGamer002]

Oh yeah, I heard very often that bull "power corrupt, absolute power corrupts absolutely" argument.
I think people should be pointed out to Enlightened absolutists.

And really, I really don't care what type of government is put on.
What is important that people in power only use power for the people, not for themselves.

[CrutchCricket]

In addition to jtav's suggestions, I'll just list the smug one-liners against control I've encountered time and time again.

"Shepard will go crazy and start reaping again lolololol!!!1one"

"That's not really Shepard, its an AI and the writers of Bioware (who can do no wrong) said AIs are bad!" (implying not the technically correct notion of a changed identity, but rather that it's a fake, a copy, not as good as the real thing etc)

"OMG you want to be just like TIM? You monster!"

And by far my least favorite and most often misquoted: "Absolute power corrupts"

I expect that with Leviathan plenty of clueless dolts will add "lololol Leviathans will take control of your Reapers haha."

These are all 100% true. Only the humorous exaggerations are mine.