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[Seival]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Does anyone here have any idea why apparently so few people choose Control? I have seen several polls, and Control always comes out as the least popular ending. I find that curious, since it's the only ending where you don't do anything questionable. The downsides of Control are all a potential that may never be realized. There is nothing immediately and tangibly undesirable about it, like, say, killing the synthetics or rewriting all life.

So, why don't more people choose Control?

Most people fear that Catalyst-Shepard may restart the Cycles in the future. But they don't want to understand it depends only on their own Shepards' ways of thinking. Personally, I didn't play as a person similar to the original Catalyst. So my Catalyst-Shepard will never restart the Cycles.

Modifié par Seival, 12 septembre 2012 - 10:18 .

[Shermos]

Also, the Catalyst notes that its "solution" won't work anymore. Even the original Catalyst wouldn't continue the cycles. My Catalyst Shep won't use the Reapers for harm. He will only use them as galactic peacekeepers as well as tools to benefit Humanity and the rest of the galaxy.

Modifié par Shermos, 13 septembre 2012 - 04:10 .

[CroGamer002]

^Yeah.

Even that flawed A.I. finally seen it's solution doesn't work anymore!

[Seival]

Shermos wrote...

Also, the Catalyst notes that its "solution" won't work anymore. Even the original Catalyst wouldn't continue the cycles. My Catalyst Shep won't use the Reapers for harm. He will only use them as galactic peacekeepers as well as tools to benefit Humanity and the rest of the galaxy.

That's why the original Catalyst dislikes refusal so much, by the way.

[Seival]

First thing each Shepard should understand in the end is that her doubts are her real enemy, not the original Catalyst.

[The Grinning Psychopath]

I'm a fan of the control option.

I think its wasteful to throw away the power of the Reapers, when its possible to use it instead.

I mean sure its really sad to know you probably won't ever be able to reunite with Miranda, or Ashley or whoever you romanced... But i think its worth it i mean. you get to be essentially Immortal, you can enforce peace on the galaxy, those Batarian bastards can't raid anymore human colonies without fear of brutal retaliation from Reaper forces.

And... it also means if your a fan of the Illusive Man, (As i am) well you can do right by him sorta. i mean yes he did a lot of screwed up things in the name of humanity, but he did manage to do some things right, i mean where the hell would the galaxy be without Shepard in it?!

Illusive Man... Jack Harper, may have done a lot of bad things, but he had the right kinda ideas, not really anymore different from STG, or the Justicars.

Maybe he didn't have the right motivations driving him, (the wiki clearly states, or well clearly implies anyway, that he had a normal job and a wife and kid or kids... right up till the first contact war, plus there was that whole thing with Eva and Ben and Saren in Evolution)

But basically i think he had the right Ideas... not the best methods, no... but the right ideas... basically.

[Seival]

The Grinning Psychopath wrote...

I'm a fan of the control option.

I think its wasteful to throw away the power of the Reapers, when its possible to use it instead.

I mean sure its really sad to know you probably won't ever be able to reunite with Miranda, or Ashley or whoever you romanced... But i think its worth it i mean. you get to be essentially Immortal, you can enforce peace on the galaxy, those Batarian bastards can't raid anymore human colonies without fear of brutal retaliation from Reaper forces.

And... it also means if your a fan of the Illusive Man, (As i am) well you can do right by him sorta. i mean yes he did a lot of screwed up things in the name of humanity, but he did manage to do some things right, i mean where the hell would the galaxy be without Shepard in it?!

Illusive Man... Jack Harper, may have done a lot of bad things, but he had the right kinda ideas, not really anymore different from STG, or the Justicars.

Maybe he didn't have the right motivations driving him, (the wiki clearly states, or well clearly implies anyway, that he had a normal job and a wife and kid or kids... right up till the first contact war, plus there was that whole thing with Eva and Ben and Saren in Evolution)

But basically i think he had the right Ideas... not the best methods, no... but the right ideas... basically.

Personally, I don't like TIM at all. But I will never forget that victory would be impossible without him.

[The Grinning Psychopath]

Yes... it would indeed.

[Dendio1]

Mass effect 4: Catashep The Tyrant

Modifié par Dendio1, 15 septembre 2012 - 08:28 .

[Seival]

Dendio1 wrote...

Mass effect 4: Catashep The Tyrant

That was the most mindless phrase I've seen on BSN.

[Ieldra]

Does anyone know how many variants there are to Control?

I got two different Paragon variants:

Variant 1:
"To give the many hope for a future."
"[To right the wrongs of the past]" (if genophage was not cured)
"To ensure that all have a voice in their future"

Variant 2:
"To give the many a chance at peace"
"[To allows the wrongs of the past to be...]" (missed one word)
"To provide a voice for those too weak to speak for themselves."

Does anyone know the conditions to get either one? The only one I can think of is "Bakara is alive" in variant 1 and "Bakara is dead" in variant 2. Also, does anyone know if the spoken text changes depending on how you resolved the geth/quarian conflict?

And lastly, there appear to be two different versions of this sentence:

"To become the one that could save the many"
"To become the one that could protect the many"

Is anything known about what triggers this?

[Comsky159]

^
Quite a few permutations really. Love the polarity/grey area in this ending; the implied outcome really hinges on your Shepard's personality rather than the crucible/catalysts own agenda, actually resulting in 6 control endings rather than the 1 or 2 generally considered. This diversity is something the other endings have far lesser claim to.

1. If a Paragon Shepard cured the genophage and Wrex leads the Krogan, Shepard intends to give the many hope for a future and ensure that all have a voice in their future.

2. If a Renegade Shepard cured the genophage and Wrex leads the Krogan, Shepard vows to "right the wrongs of the past" and as well as to provide a voice for the weak.

3. If a Paragon Shepard cured the genophage and Wreav leads the Krogan, Shepard vows to "provide a voice for those too weak to speak for themselves."

4. If a Renegade Shepard cured the genophage and Wreav leads the Krogan, Shepard intends to ensure that "the strongest are not feared or reviled for their strength."

5. If a Paragon Shepard sabotaged the cure, they desire to give the galaxy a chance for peace and let the mistakes of the past be fixed on their own accord.

6. If a Renegade Shepard sabotaged the cure, they intend to act as a powerful leader who will put an end to the bickering of the many.

Modifié par Comsky159, 16 septembre 2012 - 10:27 .

[Ieldra]

Hmm...more conditions:

No. 5: Bakara needs to be dead and Wreav in charge, otherwise you'll get no. 2. Or so it seems.

No. 2 appears to be just an additional sentence added to no. 1 if you sabotaged the cure.

I also got a Renegade ending with the "providing a voice for those too weak to speak for themselves" and the line about the powerful leader dropped, but the rest of the epilogue "standard Renegade" variant.

BTW.:
I watched no. 6 in the German version. *Shudder* The phrasing raises troubling associations.

[CroGamer002]

Ieldra2 wrote...

BTW.:
I watched no. 6 in the German version. *Shudder* The phrasing raises troubling associations.

Uuuuh, do tell.

[Ieldra]

Mesina2 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

BTW.:
I watched no. 6 in the German version. *Shudder* The phrasing raises troubling associations.

Uuuuh, do tell.

Listen for yourself:



Reminds me a little too much of N*zi rhetoric, right down to the phrasing. Doesn't have quite the same impact in English if you're German, though it goes into a similar direction.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 16 septembre 2012 - 11:00 .

[Seival]

This is only partially ending-related, but still want to share my new fan art. Hope you will enjoy it

[CroGamer002]

^That's a strange but cool looking hybrid of a Reapers and Leviathan.

[The Grinning Psychopath]

cool, not as intimidating as the actual beasts, but still pretty cool... damn those things look strange.

[CrutchCricket]

The Grinning Psychopath wrote...

cool, not as intimidating as the actual beasts, but still pretty cool... damn those things look strange.

They look like Reapers made of coral.

I'm not overly impressed.

[Seival]

Mesina2 wrote...

^That's a strange but cool looking hybrid of a Reapers and Leviathan.

I just failed to understand how to draw his chitin armor correctly with correct lighting. So I had to simplify his looks. If only I was a professional artist... Maybe next time I'll create better picture about Leviathans

[The Grinning Psychopath]

ahhh.... if there is a Mass Effect 4... i hope its reflected in its content that my Adrian supported Illusive Man pretty much as deeply as possible, and ultimately carried out at least some of Illusive Man's dying wishes, and used the Reapers to enforce peace on the galaxy. (Mingolo's awesome ideas for abusing Control, come to my head... hehehehheheeeh yeahh if only that were an option, to do all that stuff... like have a cannon minigame thing of it, set after Mass Effect 3, a 3.5 game or whatever where you can decide what to do with your Reapers after you gained control, maybe reunite somehow with your love interest (Miranda in my case... though Ashley did tempt me, got me in 1 and merely tempted me in 3... eh her new hairstyle was part of the temptation god i loved it)

ahh if only... but it aint ever gonna happen though, too good to happen.

[The Grinning Psychopath]

gods below... but i am going to miss Illusive Man... and Wrex, and Garrus, and Tali... espescially Jack and Miranda... my Adrian actually cheated on Miranda with Jack kinda... eh i was curious to see if it'd have any consequences if i did the one time thing with Jack, after Miranda was fully romanced.

[Maxga]

Control isn't a bad option, but the Synthesis ending really does leave no room for future conflict between organics and synthetics. Organics control technology and Synthetics understand Organics, there's no reason to fight. It also allows EDI and the Geth to become as close to Organic as possible without needing to wipe them out.

[The Grinning Psychopath]

Maxga wrote...

Control isn't a bad option, but the Synthesis ending really does leave no room for future conflict between organics and synthetics. Organics control technology and Synthetics understand Organics, there's no reason to fight. It also allows EDI and the Geth to become as close to Organic as possible without needing to wipe them out.

yeah... but that'd be boring, also thats the one ending where Shepard is definitely dead, maybe a saint to all synthetics and stuff, but definitely dead as a doornail.

heh maybe wars do go on, despite the insanity of rebelling against the massive beasts we know as the Reapers, but sure as hell won't continue on as long, heheheheeeh espescially not with my sexy shoeless goddess of War, Marla Shepard on the job. (Eh i named her after Marlita Mason, from the Marla mason series by T.A. Pratt)

eh i woulda used Adrian for that, but he's not as sexy as Marla i think... also Marla is way more renegade than him, much more badass, eh she just fits more with the Belkar reference than him basically. hehehheeeh.

[The Grinning Psychopath]

heh also to quote, Russell Edgington, my favorite Vampire character of all time... "Peace... is for ******!!"