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[MerchantGOL]

Vox Draco wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...
and destroy is the eptimy of a Renagade choice.

Risking the entire galaxy on mere assumptions made by the enemy is...ah well...I get repetitive, sorry.

The endings are no longer paragon/renegade for me anyway. It is about believing the enemy, or believing your own experiences. Do you believe in the logic of an age-old machine, or will you rather keep your human point of view on the matter? Are you willing to give up your flesh, and thereby confirming the Reaper's thinking that flesh is weak? Or will you rather keep your body (I think that's more or less a direct Shepard-quote?) and prove the Reapers humanity can do it on its own, without meddling of self-proclaimed higher beings...

I guess I am not ready for control, because I think humnity and every other organic race is far superior to the Reapers, and we don't need them and their solutions at all, but thank you for the effort, Mr. Catalyst. Now die...

Congragulations you just murderd the Geth and edi, You have invalidated  Legions sacrafice, and robed Joker of his soul mate, for the quick and easy  solution.

Aditonaly if you think The catalyst is lying about control then it is just as likley he is lying about destroy

Modifié par MerchantGOL, 28 mai 2012 - 09:59 .

[Seival]

Bill Casey wrote...

Seival wrote...

In Control ending Shepard will not survive as a human being, and will not be able to "come home" and reunite with her love interest of course. But she will take full control of the Reapers, and stop the slaughter without killing anyone (this is the most important point of Control)... Shepard becomes a new Catalist, and it's even better then survive as a human being (and this is the second important point of Control).

Sorry for "caps", but:
CONTROL IS THE HONORABLE SACRIFICE FOR A GREATER GOOD. SHEPARD SACRIFICES JUST HERSELF TO SAVE EVERYONE ELSE... INSTEAD OF SACRIFICING A LOT OF PEOPLE FOR THE UNKNOWN FUTURE.

I don't believe that...
Like at all...
It's too stupid...

Believe it or not, but this is the point of Control. I'm not saying that other options aren't needed, I'm just saying that Control is true Paragon option... Catalist isn't lying. While "IT" is a pure nonsense.

[Vox Draco]

MerchantGOL wrote...
Congragulations you just murderd the Geth and edi, You have invalidated  Legions sacrafice, and robed Joker of his soul mate, for the quick and easy  solution.

Aditonaly if you think The catalyst is lying about control then it is just as likley he is lying about destroy

Thank you! I think Legion will be rather proud I stayed true to what we all wanted to accomplish! And EDI as well! And Joker should get over it with enough headcanon! You know, the thing that makes control such a wonderful thing to choose 

nighty-night!

[jijeebo]

Seival wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Seival wrote...

In Control ending Shepard will not survive as a human being, and will not be able to "come home" and reunite with her love interest of course. But she will take full control of the Reapers, and stop the slaughter without killing anyone (this is the most important point of Control)... Shepard becomes a new Catalist, and it's even better then survive as a human being (and this is the second important point of Control).

Sorry for "caps", but:
CONTROL IS THE HONORABLE SACRIFICE FOR A GREATER GOOD. SHEPARD SACRIFICES JUST HERSELF TO SAVE EVERYONE ELSE... INSTEAD OF SACRIFICING A LOT OF PEOPLE FOR THE UNKNOWN FUTURE.

I don't believe that...
Like at all...
It's too stupid...

Believe it or not, but this is the point of Control. I'm not saying that other options aren't needed, I'm just saying that Control is true Paragon option... Catalist isn't lying. While "IT" is a pure nonsense.

I hope you have your flame shield handy. 

[Jamie9]

Vox Draco wrote...

Risking the entire galaxy on mere assumptions made by the enemy is...ah well...I get repetitive, sorry.

The endings are no longer paragon/renegade for me anyway. It is about believing the enemy, or believing your own experiences. Do you believe in the logic of an age-old machine, or will you rather keep your human point of view on the matter? Are you willing to give up your flesh, and thereby confirming the Reaper's thinking that flesh is weak? Or will you rather keep your body (I think that's more or less a direct Shepard-quote?) and prove the Reapers humanity can do it on its own, without meddling of self-proclaimed higher beings...

I guess I am not ready for control, because I think humnity and every other organic race is far superior to the Reapers, and we don't need them and their solutions at all, but thank you for the effort, Mr. Catalyst. Now die...

I loled. But yes, you're right. Basically, each ending goes from your intentions, Control the most so. Control hinges entirely on what your Shepard intends to do with the Reapers. 'Tis why I hope BioWare at least makes a paragon/renegade ending for each ending, so we have 6 endings (actually different, not just the colour).

[MerchantGOL]

Their is no head cannon , that makes Control the right choice, it just is the right choice, the only life that is changed or sacrificed to achieve peace is your own, this is a fact

[Darth Sparto]

Have yall forgotten what Javik said on Thesia. There was a group of Protheans who thought they could control the reapers and went renegade and were killed by the Sane protheans. and javik later stated that they were found to be indoctrinated Control=indoctrination=bad

[MerchantGOL]

Darth Sparto wrote...

Have yall forgotten what Javik said on Thesia. There was a group of Protheans who thought they could control the reapers and went renegade and were killed by the Sane protheans. and javik later stated that they were found to be indoctrinated Control=indoctrination=bad

Not every cycle is the same, the fact they could launch a counter attack proved that our cycle and the protheans cycle were not the same as javik said


aditonaly, Sanctuary proved TIm  right, so you are wrong on both counts.

[Seival]

jijeebo wrote...

Seival wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Seival wrote...

In Control ending Shepard will not survive as a human being, and will not be able to "come home" and reunite with her love interest of course. But she will take full control of the Reapers, and stop the slaughter without killing anyone (this is the most important point of Control)... Shepard becomes a new Catalist, and it's even better then survive as a human being (and this is the second important point of Control).

Sorry for "caps", but:
CONTROL IS THE HONORABLE SACRIFICE FOR A GREATER GOOD. SHEPARD SACRIFICES JUST HERSELF TO SAVE EVERYONE ELSE... INSTEAD OF SACRIFICING A LOT OF PEOPLE FOR THE UNKNOWN FUTURE.

I don't believe that...
Like at all...
It's too stupid...

Believe it or not, but this is the point of Control. I'm not saying that other options aren't needed, I'm just saying that Control is true Paragon option... Catalist isn't lying. While "IT" is a pure nonsense.

I hope you have your flame shield handy. 

Well, it's not just my opinion on "IT". BioWare already told that "IT" is not an option.

[MerchantGOL]

the IT is fan ****** pure and simple

[estebanus]

Seival wrote...
 While "IT" is a pure nonsense.

Aha.

Tell you what pure nonsense is: The endings.

[Jadebaby]

The greatest and most good choice doesn't necessarily have to involve martyrdom. Personally that's the way I feel about ME3 ending. But that's because I don't trust the catalyst, and the more he spoke the less my Shepard was MY Shepard.

I'm paragon to the bone, through and through, so to say that Destroy is the renegade choice I strongly disagree, this isn't because of my bias towards the catalyst but because I don't believe there is a paragon/renegade choice in any of the 3 as Bioware have left too little after the actions to determine the best result (except for Synthesis).

[jijeebo]

Seival wrote...

jijeebo wrote...


I hope you have your flame shield handy. 

Well, it's not just my opinion on "IT". BioWare already told that "IT" is not an option.

I agree completely, but if a hardcore-believer gets wind of our blasphemy this thread will be in trouble.

[Uncle Jo]

Seival wrote...

Believe it or not, but this is the point of Control. I'm not saying that other options aren't needed, I'm just saying that Control is true Paragon option... Catalist isn't lying. While "IT" is a pure nonsense.

Sure man whatever... It's true, that thinking that a human can control the Reapers makes a lot more sense... Ever played Mass Effect?

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 28 mai 2012 - 10:16 .

[darthnick427]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

The greatest and most good choice doesn't necessarily have to involve martyrdom. Personally that's the way I feel about ME3 ending. But that's because I don't trust the catalyst, and the more he spoke the less my Shepard was MY Shepard.

I'm paragon to the bone, through and through, so to say that Destroy is the renegade choice I strongly disagree, this isn't because of my bias towards the catalyst but because I don't believe there is a paragon/renegade choice in any of the 3 as Bioware have left too little after the actions to determine the best result (except for Synthesis).

Well said

[estebanus]

MerchantGOL wrote...

the IT is fan ****** pure and simple

I could say that control is for the people with no morals whatsoever, who chose something that betrays everything you stood for the last 100+ hours just because the leader of an enemy responsible for the destruction of countless of civilizations told you so.

I personally don't agree with that, but it sets up a finality with about the same reasoning as what you said.

[Seival]

Darth Sparto wrote...

Have yall forgotten what Javik said on Thesia. There was a group of Protheans who thought they could control the reapers and went renegade and were killed by the Sane protheans. and javik later stated that they were found to be indoctrinated Control=indoctrination=bad

(1) Protheans didn't have someone like Shepard.

(2) Protheans tried to destroy the Reapers and failed, while they were much more advanced than current galactic civilization.

(3) Javik is just a poor, brainwashed, scared, and confused soldier.

(4) Someone like a Javik never had a chance to gain control of the Reapers and remain uncorrupted.

Modifié par Seival, 28 mai 2012 - 10:17 .

[estebanus]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Seival wrote...

Believe it or not, but this is the point of Control. I'm not saying that other options aren't needed, I'm just saying that Control is true Paragon option... Catalist isn't lying. While "IT" is a pure nonsense.

Sure man whatever... It's true, that thinking that a human can control the Reapers make a lot more sense... Ever played Mass Effect?

Just because control is blue doesn't mean it's paragon. As a matter of fact, it's quite the opposite. The same goes with the collector base. If you preserve it, a blue explosion comes, but the choice is still renegade.

[MerchantGOL]

Destorying the collector base wasn't renagade.

Renagade is all about using the  lives of others to your advantage. i can't belive you missed that.

estebanus wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

the IT is fan ****** pure and simple

I could say that control is for the people with no morals whatsoever, who chose something that betrays everything you stood for the last 100+ hours just because the leader of an enemy responsible for the destruction of countless of civilizations told you so. 

i think comiting genocide on your allies and betraying a buch of your freinds like you do in destory show a bigger lack of morals and betrayal opposed to sacrafcing yourself so that every one else will have the right ot live with out conditons

I personally don't agree with that, but it sets up a finality with about the same reasoning as what you said.

Not really iam talking about the actual game  not some  bs some guys on the internet came up with.

Modifié par MerchantGOL, 28 mai 2012 - 10:20 .

[MerchantGOL]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Seival wrote...

Believe it or not, but this is the point of Control. I'm not saying that other options aren't needed, I'm just saying that Control is true Paragon option... Catalist isn't lying. While "IT" is a pure nonsense.

Sure man whatever... It's true, that thinking that a human can control the Reapers makes a lot more sense... Ever played Mass Effect?

Sanctuary says hi.

seems like your the one who hasn't played.

[estebanus]

Seival wrote...

Darth Sparto wrote...

Have yall forgotten what Javik said on Thesia. There was a group of Protheans who thought they could control the reapers and went renegade and were killed by the Sane protheans. and javik later stated that they were found to be indoctrinated Control=indoctrination=bad

(1) Protheans didn't have someone like Shepard.

(2) Protheans tried to destroy the Reapers and failed, while they were much more advanced than current galactic civilization.

(3) Javik is just a poor, brainwashed, scared, and confused soldier.

(4) Someone like a Javik never had a chance to gain control of the Reapers and remain uncorrupted.

1. Different conditions, different people.

2. see nr. 1. The prothean war with the reapers was completely different than the current one.

3. Not supported by anything else than your personal opinion.

4. Nobody has. Not even Shepard.

[draken-heart]

you can say a lot of things about the endings, like: the reapers are too busy to control Shepard so the ending is just Shepard fighting herself/himself in regards to the mission. Starkid represents Shepard's self-doubt while Shepard at the end represents his/her logic. and the ending are as so:

1) Destroy-Shepard decides not to listen to Doubt (Starkid) and continue the mission.
2) Control-Shepard does not agree with Doubt on the reapers being the solution, but agree that it is pointless to fight back, so control's his/her systems and shuts them down, killing herself but the reapers are defeated once the Crucible is activated
3) Synthesis-Shepard agrees with doubt on all counts and decided to lie down and die and reapers win because morality in the allied forces are dropping.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Control is not the paragon option for any reason. You're basically enslaving an advanced and intelligent race of synthetic/organic hybrids. You're also becoming the biggest hypocrite in ME history: you tell TIM not minutes beforehand that he can't possibly control the Reapers, that to do so is insanity. The mere fact it's what TIM wanted shows how twisted the option is.

I also am not convinced the Catalyst was totally honest with Shepard that he/she could actually control the Reapers indefinitely. There's no way to know for sure.

Despite the fact the color representation is blue, this is not a paragon option. Paragon Shepard would be vehemently against having this kind of power, or using an intelligent race as tools. IMO, paragon Shepard would do what he/she set out to do: destroy the Reapers. It's definitely the lesser of the three evils (Synthesis is a just an amoral choice as the others) because it will, for sure, end the Reaper threat once and for all. They don't exist, which means there is no potential in the future for them to ever return. Like I said, I'm not convinced anyone can know for sure if Shepard can control them indefinitely, that's a huge and dangerous assumption to make.

[Uncle Jo]

MerchantGOL wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Seival wrote...

Believe it or not, but this is the point of Control. I'm not saying that other options aren't needed, I'm just saying that Control is true Paragon option... Catalist isn't lying. While "IT" is a pure nonsense.

Sure man whatever... It's true, that thinking that a human can control the Reapers makes a lot more sense... Ever played Mass Effect?

Sanctuary says hi.

seems like your the one who hasn't played.

Don't you think that there is a difference between controlling husks and Reapers?

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 28 mai 2012 - 10:25 .

[MerchantGOL]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Control is not the paragon option for any reason. You're basically enslaving an advanced and intelligent race of synthetic/organic hybrids. You're also becoming the biggest hypocrite in ME history: you tell TIM not minutes beforehand that he can't possibly control the Reapers, that to do so is insanity. The mere fact it's what TIM wanted shows how twisted the option is.

I also am not convinced the Catalyst was totally honest with Shepard that he/she could actually control the Reapers indefinitely. There's no way to know for sure.

Despite the fact the color representation is blue, this is not a paragon option. Paragon Shepard would be vehemently against having this kind of power, or using an intelligent race as tools. IMO, paragon Shepard would do what he/she set out to do: destroy the Reapers. It's definitely the lesser of the three evils (Synthesis is a just an amoral choice as the others) because it will, for sure, end the Reaper threat once and for all. They don't exist, which means there is no potential in the future for them to ever return. Like I said, I'm not convinced anyone can know for sure if Shepard can control them indefinitely, that's a huge and dangerous assumption to make.

 So paragon shepard would murder an entire race of his allies instead of force a bunch of genocidal ass holes to back off

yeah that makes sense <_<