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[Seival]

Yate wrote...

YEAH I hoped this thread existed. Control ALL the reapers!

AlviseVenice wrote...

The extended cut controll is awesome !
i cried soooooo much with Shepard's words );
Thank you BW for giving us this beautiful saga !

Welcome

[SeptimusMagistos]

CrutchCricket wrote...

SeptimusMagistos wrote...
It worked out when Shepard was a human. Why shouldn't it work out now?

What are you talking about?

Flying around the galaxy, killing random crime and war lords. Good times.

[CrutchCricket]

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

Flying around the galaxy, killing random crime and war lords. Good times.

Yeah random crime "lords" in the boonies. The space boonies.

Whacking some krogan holed up on an empty rock or a legion or two of mercenary mooks is not the same as attacking Omega. Whether you agree with it or not, Aria is very much a ruler of her own state.

If it was as easy as all that, some random spectre would've done it, centuries ago.

One does not simply start **** on Omega.

[CroGamer002]

^Yeah.


Cerberus went through a lot of troubles to take Omega from her.
And she still get away alive with enough power and influence to prepare to take Omega back.

Even with Reapers Reaping in galaxy, she unites criminal organizations under her.

[CrutchCricket]

Mesina2 wrote...
Cerberus went through a lot of troubles to take Omega from her.
And she still get away alive with enough power and influence to prepare to take Omega back.

Even with Reapers Reaping in galaxy, she unites criminal organizations under her.

Indeed. And I think as a result of that, her influence and territory will actually increase. She may end up controlling the entire Omega system or beyond.

[Seival]

Aria is reasonable, no matter she is pure renegade. I think if Shepard-Catalyst will ever want to do something good about Omega, then it will just convince Aria to rule Omega in much more productive manner.

Modifié par Seival, 30 octobre 2012 - 08:48 .

[Redbelle]

Seival wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

And seriously how do you control something when you're dead?

So, you've finally understood that Shepard actually survived as a new Catalist in Control Ending

Shepard may have survived. But it is less 'The' Shepard as an imprint of his or her memories. A clone conciousness as it were.

Science Fiction has a lot to answer for if you think you can just remove your thoughts from one vessel and pop them into another. What is usually glossed over is that clones are copies of the original. Not the original itself. But then comes the question, if you can't tell which is and isn't the original, what does it matter?

Sheps dead in control. The Shreaper pretty much confirms this with the phrase, through her death I was created. Alas. There is no way being incinerated to ash is in some form a method of direct mind transference unless space magic was involved. At best we can say that his or her memories were copied and then the original was erased.

This then leads onto the question. Who is the Shreaper?

[CrutchCricket]

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[Seival]

Redbelle wrote...

Seival wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

And seriously how do you control something when you're dead?

So, you've finally understood that Shepard actually survived as a new Catalist in Control Ending

Shepard may have survived. But it is less 'The' Shepard as an imprint of his or her memories. A clone conciousness as it were.

Science Fiction has a lot to answer for if you think you can just remove your thoughts from one vessel and pop them into another. What is usually glossed over is that clones are copies of the original. Not the original itself. But then comes the question, if you can't tell which is and isn't the original, what does it matter?

Sheps dead in control. The Shreaper pretty much confirms this with the phrase, through her death I was created. Alas. There is no way being incinerated to ash is in some form a method of direct mind transference unless space magic was involved. At best we can say that his or her memories were copied and then the original was erased.

This then leads onto the question. Who is the Shreaper?

I know that. Shepard died in Control, but the Catalyst now thinks like Shepard, and has all her memories...

...This can be called "Shepard survived", because her way of thinking now applied to all Reapers.

That's why I like Control epilogue so much by the way. Only Control depends on Shepard's personality so much.

[Redbelle]

Seival wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

Seival wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

And seriously how do you control something when you're dead?

So, you've finally understood that Shepard actually survived as a new Catalist in Control Ending

Shepard may have survived. But it is less 'The' Shepard as an imprint of his or her memories. A clone conciousness as it were.

Science Fiction has a lot to answer for if you think you can just remove your thoughts from one vessel and pop them into another. What is usually glossed over is that clones are copies of the original. Not the original itself. But then comes the question, if you can't tell which is and isn't the original, what does it matter?

Sheps dead in control. The Shreaper pretty much confirms this with the phrase, through her death I was created. Alas. There is no way being incinerated to ash is in some form a method of direct mind transference unless space magic was involved. At best we can say that his or her memories were copied and then the original was erased.

This then leads onto the question. Who is the Shreaper?

I know that. Shepard died in Control, but the Catalyst now thinks like Shepard, and has all her memories...

...This can be called "Shepard survived", because her way of thinking now applied to all Reapers.

That's why I like Control epilogue so much by the way. Only Control depends on Shepard's personality so much.

So Shepard's dead......... but they saved Shepard's brain. Only this Shepard is no longer human Shepard, as it is now the Shreaper Shepard. What with Shepard coming to terms with a new form and function.

Shepard may indeed have survived but not in body and certainly not in mind. Human Shepard was disintegrated. Shreaper has put forward his or her view on how things are going to work out inthe future, but by and large it still amounts to a police state where Shreaper is the final arbitur, judge and jury. Not only that but Shreaper is a space ship. It's going to be hard to park himself into the citadel council chambers to discuss galactic politics. Only since Shreaper has essentially become a military based galactic power we can only wonder how far Shreap's will go to enforce the Shreaper version of peace.

Seriously. The ramifications of Control depends less on Shep who is a pretty straight arrow. and on the galactic community wanting Shreapers rule of law. Considering that Shreaper can live for well over 50,000yrs. The question is can Shreaper change with the times to meet the needs of the ppl. And if the pp decide they odn't want Shreapers rule anymore will he respect the will of the ppl?

Questions abound.

[Seival]

Redbelle wrote...

Seival wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

Seival wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

And seriously how do you control something when you're dead?

So, you've finally understood that Shepard actually survived as a new Catalist in Control Ending

Shepard may have survived. But it is less 'The' Shepard as an imprint of his or her memories. A clone conciousness as it were.

Science Fiction has a lot to answer for if you think you can just remove your thoughts from one vessel and pop them into another. What is usually glossed over is that clones are copies of the original. Not the original itself. But then comes the question, if you can't tell which is and isn't the original, what does it matter?

Sheps dead in control. The Shreaper pretty much confirms this with the phrase, through her death I was created. Alas. There is no way being incinerated to ash is in some form a method of direct mind transference unless space magic was involved. At best we can say that his or her memories were copied and then the original was erased.

This then leads onto the question. Who is the Shreaper?

I know that. Shepard died in Control, but the Catalyst now thinks like Shepard, and has all her memories...

...This can be called "Shepard survived", because her way of thinking now applied to all Reapers.

That's why I like Control epilogue so much by the way. Only Control depends on Shepard's personality so much.

So Shepard's dead......... but they saved Shepard's brain. Only this Shepard is no longer human Shepard, as it is now the Shreaper Shepard. What with Shepard coming to terms with a new form and function.

Shepard may indeed have survived but not in body and certainly not in mind. Human Shepard was disintegrated. Shreaper has put forward his or her view on how things are going to work out inthe future, but by and large it still amounts to a police state where Shreaper is the final arbitur, judge and jury. Not only that but Shreaper is a space ship. It's going to be hard to park himself into the citadel council chambers to discuss galactic politics. Only since Shreaper has essentially become a military based galactic power we can only wonder how far Shreap's will go to enforce the Shreaper version of peace.

Seriously. The ramifications of Control depends less on Shep who is a pretty straight arrow. and on the galactic community wanting Shreapers rule of law. Considering that Shreaper can live for well over 50,000yrs. The question is can Shreaper change with the times to meet the needs of the ppl. And if the pp decide they odn't want Shreapers rule anymore will he respect the will of the ppl?

Questions abound.

Yes, Shepard was disintegrated (brain included). There is no Shepard, there is the Catalyst who now thinks like Shepard (and has all her memories), that's why I call it Shepard-Catalyst. This can be called "Shepard survived", because all her ideals still affect the world, as they were before her death...

...Organic creatures may change over time, but computer can't. It will always follow its code no matter what.

I think it's clear that even the new Catalyst will consider Synthesis as the final goal. Delaying Synthesis by Control, Shepard just gains more time to study and improve Synthesis mechanics, and gains an opportunity to apply Synthesis in much more productive manner, without forcing anyone.

[Hey]

Contol is ****ing insane. We all know this, right?

[Seival]

Control is the natural order of things. This is how the world works.

[Hey]

Seival wrote...

Control is the natural order of things. This is how the world works.

look around.  u like what you see?

[Baihu1983]

Op is too female shep heavy.

[Seival]

Baihu1983 wrote...

Op is too female shep heavy.

Hmm... I thought I've already replaced "she" and "her" by "she/he" and "her/his" everywhere but in the heading-image

[Seival]

Festae9 wrote...

Seival wrote...

Control is the natural order of things. This is how the world works.

look around.  u like what you see?

It doesn't matter if I like it or not. This is how the world works. Human society is not an exception. All we can do in RL is to invent better ways of controlling... Current ways are too barbaric.

[Redbelle]

@Seival? Sheps going to synthesis everybody? I thought you said Shepard's ideals were still intact? How can a Shepard who chose control then do an about face and think. "Damn.......... Should have gone green........ My particle canons itchy and how am I supposed to scrath that?.......... Definitely should have gone green".

Where in the original text did Shep paraphrase.......... "And at the end of a long productive day of being the Shreaper/Shepalyst I like to sit back with glass of white wine to plot the next phase in sentient evolution. Cause why do you think I'm rebuilding those relays anyway? Sure as heck ain't because I want ppl traveling anywhere"!

I can appreciate your head canon, but I think your love of synthesis is getting out of hand. By choosing Control Shepard rejected Destroy, Synthesis and Refuse. Also, the Shepalyst, by refusing those 3 options and bringing Sheps values to the table, will naturally reject synthesis as the final goal based as Shep ultimately rejected that option when it was on the table.

Then again......... ME3 is all about what the player brings to the game so if this is your vision of the ME universe, go nuts with it! I said something similar with the drafting of the ME movie script. Who ever writes it needs to make it clear to the fans that the movie is his or her vision of the ME universe and we're just invited to see it.

[Hey]

Seival wrote...

Festae9 wrote...

Seival wrote...

Control is the natural order of things. This is how the world works.

look around.  u like what you see?

It doesn't matter if I like it or not. This is how the world works. Human society is not an exception. All we can do in RL is to invent better ways of controlling... Current ways are too barbaric.

It does matter and u do have choices. 
starts with you then ripples out to your roomie to that guy at the bodega who boosts the signal out to the streets. It climbs the concrete to the "heads" and they get feedback indirectly...

[Redbelle]

Festae9 wrote...

Contol is ****ing insane. We all know this, right?

Control is insane only so far as those who attempt to exercise complete and total control are doomed to failure. Free will, exercised by individuals is, largely predictable, but also results in unpredicatable activites.

Lemme  put it this way. With free will, when someone tells me to do something I can choose if I will or won't. The choice can be based upon if obeying will benefit me or not.

But it's a little more complicated than that.

maybe I have a large degree of empathy and am community minded. And so when asked to do something I weigh the cost/benfit of obeying/disobeying against the cost/benefit of others.

But it's still not so clear cut.

Maybe the someone tells me to do something I am physically or mentally incapable of, or have no experience in doing. In which case refusal seems the natural choice. But then, ppl have gone out with the aim to acheive such tasks anyway. Let's call that one the Can do/Can't do.

But again. It's still more compliacted. I could go on but really. We'd be here awhile and BSN probably has a word count in here somewhere.

So even so we live in a controlled society. We can choose to accept or reject that control. But the reasons for accepting and rejecting control are as important as the acceptance or refusal of authority. Some reasons are combative some are benign.

Take this as an example. Your ill in bed and your due at work in an hour. Your tired, your throats sore, your coughing and sneezing. You phone up and your boss says, your faking, get to work.

What do you do?

*Edit* Ever see the movie fire fly where they tried to control everyone with gas and nearly everybody just died while
1% of the population went mad and started eating ppl across space?

Now I'm not saying that Control is bad. Organised and accepted leadership is how individuals come together to perfom great works. The question is, why do those who want it seek more control? Cause we have our systems of authority and we have those who accept authority. Why then are there ppl who seem to be out for 100% total acceptance of authority?

It just seems so needy.

Modifié par Redbelle, 01 novembre 2012 - 11:55 .

[Hey]

Redbelle wrote...

Festae9 wrote...

Contol is ****ing insane. We all know this, right?

But it's a little more complicated than that.

I agree with this part

[Redbelle]

Festae9 wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

Festae9 wrote...

Contol is ****ing insane. We all know this, right?

But it's a little more complicated than that.

I agree with this part

I can't claim credit for that one. Check out the bad science website. They have T-Shirts 

[Hey]

Redbelle wrote...

Festae9 wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

Festae9 wrote...

Contol is ****ing insane. We all know this, right?

But it's a little more complicated than that.

I agree with this part

I can't claim credit for that one. Check out the bad science website. They have T-Shirts 

lol.  nice...

[SeptimusMagistos]

Seival wrote...

Aria is reasonable, no matter she is pure renegade. I think if Shepard-Catalyst will ever want to do something good about Omega, then it will just convince Aria to rule Omega in much more productive manner.

Only if she's willing to do what Gianna did and abandon all crime forever. Otherwise I'm just giving Omega to Samara. She'll know how to run it correctly.

[Seival]

Redbelle wrote...

@Seival? Sheps going to synthesis everybody? I thought you said Shepard's ideals were still intact? How can a Shepard who chose control then do an about face and think. "Damn.......... Should have gone green........ My particle canons itchy and how am I supposed to scrath that?.......... Definitely should have gone green".

Where in the original text did Shep paraphrase.......... "And at the end of a long productive day of being the Shreaper/Shepalyst I like to sit back with glass of white wine to plot the next phase in sentient evolution. Cause why do you think I'm rebuilding those relays anyway? Sure as heck ain't because I want ppl traveling anywhere"!

I can appreciate your head canon, but I think your love of synthesis is getting out of hand. By choosing Control Shepard rejected Destroy, Synthesis and Refuse. Also, the Shepalyst, by refusing those 3 options and bringing Sheps values to the table, will naturally reject synthesis as the final goal based as Shep ultimately rejected that option when it was on the table.

Then again......... ME3 is all about what the player brings to the game so if this is your vision of the ME universe, go nuts with it! I said something similar with the drafting of the ME movie script. Who ever writes it needs to make it clear to the fans that the movie is his or her vision of the ME universe and we're just invited to see it.

Reapers can maintain the order forever, I have no doubts about that. But that will be an artificial order, established in the outdated world. Old world can't offer truely natural solution. But any permanent solution has to be natural, it has to maintain itself without any outer influence, or someday something may go wrong...

...Old nature can't offer truely permanent solution, so we have to change the nature itself. Raise it to the new level of existance. Make sure new nature established both organics and synthetics as one persistent entity in the new natural order of things.

Control will never gone. Even the new nature will have it as the main force of existance. Control will just be modified. Improved. Perfected in all possible aspects. Deep connection between everything and everyone will become tangible. Maybe, some lesser creatures will even learn how to see the world with full understanding - see the world as only Leviathans or Catalyst can see it.



I think that Synthesis is inevitable. We can delay it, but we can't avoid it. Personally, I prefer do delay it with Control. Because only in this case Synthesis can be applied the most properly.