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[Redbelle]

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

Seival wrote...

Aria
is reasonable, no matter she is pure renegade. I think if
Shepard-Catalyst will ever want to do something good about Omega, then
it will just convince Aria to rule Omega in much more productive
manner.

Only if she's willing to do what Gianna did and
abandon all crime forever. Otherwise I'm just giving Omega to Samara.
She'll know how to run it correctly.

lol,

"To those who do not value the code. Toe the line, or find the embrace of the goddess beneath my heel"

Sounds better than "Don't <flowers> with Aria"!

Modifié par Redbelle, 01 novembre 2012 - 08:13 .

[Redbelle]

Seival wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

@Seival? Sheps going to synthesis everybody? I thought you said Shepard's ideals were still intact? How can a Shepard who chose control then do an about face and think. "Damn.......... Should have gone green........ My particle canons itchy and how am I supposed to scrath that?.......... Definitely should have gone green".

Where in the original text did Shep paraphrase.......... "And at the end of a long productive day of being the Shreaper/Shepalyst I like to sit back with glass of white wine to plot the next phase in sentient evolution. Cause why do you think I'm rebuilding those relays anyway? Sure as heck ain't because I want ppl traveling anywhere"!

I can appreciate your head canon, but I think your love of synthesis is getting out of hand. By choosing Control Shepard rejected Destroy, Synthesis and Refuse. Also, the Shepalyst, by refusing those 3 options and bringing Sheps values to the table, will naturally reject synthesis as the final goal based as Shep ultimately rejected that option when it was on the table.

Then again......... ME3 is all about what the player brings to the game so if this is your vision of the ME universe, go nuts with it! I said something similar with the drafting of the ME movie script. Who ever writes it needs to make it clear to the fans that the movie is his or her vision of the ME universe and we're just invited to see it.

Reapers can maintain the order forever, I have no doubts about that. But that will be an artificial order, established in the outdated world. Old world can't offer truely natural solution. But any permanent solution has to be natural, it has to maintain itself without any outer influence, or someday something may go wrong...

...Old nature can't offer truely permanent solution, so we have to change the nature itself. Raise it to the new level of existance. Make sure new nature established both organics and synthetics as one persistent entity in the new natural order of things.

Control will never gone. Even the new nature will have it as the main force of existance. Control will just be modified. Improved. Perfected in all possible aspects. Deep connection between everything and everyone will become tangible. Maybe, some lesser creatures will even learn how to see the world with full understanding - see the world as only Leviathans or Catalyst can see it.



I think that Synthesis is inevitable. We can delay it, but we can't avoid it. Personally, I prefer do delay it with Control. Because only in this case Synthesis can be applied the most properly.

There goes our humanity.

After all. The Catalyst, Reapers and even the Leviathan's. They all seem so, heartless.

Then again if our humanity is the cost, better to rule in hell than serve in heaven I guess.

After all, the people who would reject synthesis? A minor detail. They'll just be synthesised anyway and heck with their security of person that someone in the galaxy can flip a switch and violate their person, while simultaneously violating recognition of their status as an being born free with equal dignity and rights.

Modifié par Redbelle, 01 novembre 2012 - 08:22 .

[Seival]

Redbelle wrote...

Seival wrote...

Reapers can maintain the order forever, I have no doubts about that. But that will be an artificial order, established in the outdated world. Old world can't offer truely natural solution. But any permanent solution has to be natural, it has to maintain itself without any outer influence, or someday something may go wrong...

...Old nature can't offer truely permanent solution, so we have to change the nature itself. Raise it to the new level of existance. Make sure new nature established both organics and synthetics as one persistent entity in the new natural order of things.

Control will never gone. Even the new nature will have it as the main force of existance. Control will just be modified. Improved. Perfected in all possible aspects. Deep connection between everything and everyone will become tangible. Maybe, some lesser creatures will even learn how to see the world with full understanding - see the world as only Leviathans or Catalyst can see it.



I think that Synthesis is inevitable. We can delay it, but we can't avoid it. Personally, I prefer do delay it with Control. Because only in this case Synthesis can be applied the most properly.

There goes our humanity.

After all. The Catalyst, Reapers and even the Leviathan's. They all seem so, heartless.

Then again if our humanity is the cost, better to rule in hell than serve in heaven I guess.

After all, the people who would reject synthesis? A minor detail. They'll just be synthesised anyway and heck with their freedom's.

I think that the meaning of life is Evolution. Evolution, which has no titled ruler, and only one rule - survive, adapt, and embrace the new possibilities.

Modifié par Seival, 01 novembre 2012 - 08:28 .

[Redbelle]

Seival wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

Seival wrote...

Reapers can maintain the order forever, I have no doubts about that. But that will be an artificial order, established in the outdated world. Old world can't offer truely natural solution. But any permanent solution has to be natural, it has to maintain itself without any outer influence, or someday something may go wrong...

...Old nature can't offer truely permanent solution, so we have to change the nature itself. Raise it to the new level of existance. Make sure new nature established both organics and synthetics as one persistent entity in the new natural order of things.

Control will never gone. Even the new nature will have it as the main force of existance. Control will just be modified. Improved. Perfected in all possible aspects. Deep connection between everything and everyone will become tangible. Maybe, some lesser creatures will even learn how to see the world with full understanding - see the world as only Leviathans or Catalyst can see it.



I think that Synthesis is inevitable. We can delay it, but we can't avoid it. Personally, I prefer do delay it with Control. Because only in this case Synthesis can be applied the most properly.

There goes our humanity.

After all. The Catalyst, Reapers and even the Leviathan's. They all seem so, heartless.

Then again if our humanity is the cost, better to rule in hell than serve in heaven I guess.

After all, the people who would reject synthesis? A minor detail. They'll just be synthesised anyway and heck with their freedom's.

I think that the meaning of life is Evolution. Evolution, which has no titled ruler, and only one rule - survive, adapt, and embrace the new possibilities.

One, two. That's 3 rules............ just saying.........

So you believe that evolution should come at the expense of the galaxies many cultures and societies? After all, synthesis is portreyed as a Utopia where everybody is, on the mental plane at least, the same.

Synthesis has been described as a perfect Utopia by some. But there is a problem with this that has surfaced within the BSN forums time and time again. Not everybody agrees that synthesis is the perfect Utopia.

Perfection........ What does this mean? A basic understanding, it means something can can no longer be improved, or something which is ideally suited to perform a certain task. As such, to be perfect either means there is no more to do, or that by perfecting one aspect something to accomplish one goal you have inadvertantly bred weakness into the system against things that perfection was not designed to cope with. Either way, such a perfect Utopia culture would likely crumble and later be replaced with a system of culture, or mulitple cultures that do not overspecialise in one area.

Your desire to evolve everybody and everything into a new form destroys the very diversity that natural evolution has created. Creating an unatural form of life at the expense of all other previous lives in the process. Such a act of intentional extinction would be unthinkable. And replacing it with a variation of it's previous form unecessary in that it existed anyway.

It sounds like your love of synthesis stems from a Social origin. A desire not to be ruled over. Or at the very least, to be ruled over but not by a manifested act or person to enforce that rule.

As for your belief that the meaning of life is to evolve. I'm sorry to say that you'll be waiting a long time. Evolution comes slowly. Sometimes it'll pop out of nowhere and suprise us but generally it takes so long that we bearly notice.

Did you know though, that Evolution has been occuring pretty fast in our fishing industry? sort of. Everyone knows that fisherman throw the little ones back so they can grow big. But some fish have a dwarfism gene that means that an adult fish never reaches the same size as an adult fish without that gene. As a result of the process of fishing with nets, our fishstock's gene pool is developing more recurring dwarf genes due to the removal of of fish that do not have or express a recessive dwarf gene.

Anyway. Now you know evolution is occuring, I'd suggest you find something a little more fufilling than trying to evolve a bit quicker. You can develop understanding, but you can't make your physical self into something fundamentally different...........

And no, plastic surgery Does, Not, Count as fundamentally different!

[Seival]

Redbelle wrote...

Seival wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

Seival wrote...

Reapers can maintain the order forever, I have no doubts about that. But that will be an artificial order, established in the outdated world. Old world can't offer truely natural solution. But any permanent solution has to be natural, it has to maintain itself without any outer influence, or someday something may go wrong...

...Old nature can't offer truely permanent solution, so we have to change the nature itself. Raise it to the new level of existance. Make sure new nature established both organics and synthetics as one persistent entity in the new natural order of things.

Control will never gone. Even the new nature will have it as the main force of existance. Control will just be modified. Improved. Perfected in all possible aspects. Deep connection between everything and everyone will become tangible. Maybe, some lesser creatures will even learn how to see the world with full understanding - see the world as only Leviathans or Catalyst can see it.



I think that Synthesis is inevitable. We can delay it, but we can't avoid it. Personally, I prefer do delay it with Control. Because only in this case Synthesis can be applied the most properly.

There goes our humanity.

After all. The Catalyst, Reapers and even the Leviathan's. They all seem so, heartless.

Then again if our humanity is the cost, better to rule in hell than serve in heaven I guess.

After all, the people who would reject synthesis? A minor detail. They'll just be synthesised anyway and heck with their freedom's.

I think that the meaning of life is Evolution. Evolution, which has no titled ruler, and only one rule - survive, adapt, and embrace the new possibilities.

One, two. That's 3 rules............ just saying.........

So you believe that evolution should come at the expense of the galaxies many cultures and societies? After all, synthesis is portreyed as a Utopia where everybody is, on the mental plane at least, the same.

Synthesis has been described as a perfect Utopia by some. But there is a problem with this that has surfaced within the BSN forums time and time again. Not everybody agrees that synthesis is the perfect Utopia.

Perfection........ What does this mean? A basic understanding, it means something can can no longer be improved, or something which is ideally suited to perform a certain task. As such, to be perfect either means there is no more to do, or that by perfecting one aspect something to accomplish one goal you have inadvertantly bred weakness into the system against things that perfection was not designed to cope with. Either way, such a perfect Utopia culture would likely crumble and later be replaced with a system of culture, or mulitple cultures that do not overspecialise in one area.

Your desire to evolve everybody and everything into a new form destroys the very diversity that natural evolution has created. Creating an unatural form of life at the expense of all other previous lives in the process. Such a act of intentional extinction would be unthinkable. And replacing it with a variation of it's previous form unecessary in that it existed anyway.

It sounds like your love of synthesis stems from a Social origin. A desire not to be ruled over. Or at the very least, to be ruled over but not by a manifested act or person to enforce that rule.

As for your belief that the meaning of life is to evolve. I'm sorry to say that you'll be waiting a long time. Evolution comes slowly. Sometimes it'll pop out of nowhere and suprise us but generally it takes so long that we bearly notice.

Did you know though, that Evolution has been occuring pretty fast in our fishing industry? sort of. Everyone knows that fisherman throw the little ones back so they can grow big. But some fish have a dwarfism gene that means that an adult fish never reaches the same size as an adult fish without that gene. As a result of the process of fishing with nets, our fishstock's gene pool is developing more recurring dwarf genes due to the removal of of fish that do not have or express a recessive dwarf gene.

Anyway. Now you know evolution is occuring, I'd suggest you find something a little more fufilling than trying to evolve a bit quicker. You can develop understanding, but you can't make your physical self into something fundamentally different...........

And no, plastic surgery Does, Not, Count as fundamentally different!

If a rule has three actions, it doesn't mean they are separate rules. Those actions belong to the same entity, so we are talking about one rule

Diversity is an important part of the old world. And the apotheosis of the diversity was organics-vs-synthetics problem. Evolution has to make the next major step in order to solve the problem forever - remove some particular aspects of the diversity, and move all living beings to the new level of existance. And this step can be performed only by an intelligent and advanced life form.

Perfection means the natural end of evolution, when life itself becomes meaningless. But please, don't make the wrong conclusions based on that assumption. Meaningless life is not a "boring life" or a reason for "stop existing". Yes, it's as easy as that. Non-intelligent creatures will keep existing in their own ways as always, and intelligent creatures will always find some interesting things to do.

Synthesis is not just "evolving quicker". It's the only method to move the Evolution through the obstacle, which can't be overcome by any other means.

Modifié par Seival, 01 novembre 2012 - 09:50 .

[Redbelle]

Who decides when we reach a barrier? When do we know we have reached a barrier?

[Seival]

Redbelle wrote...

Who decides when we reach a barrier? When do we know we have reached a barrier?

Perfection is not "the end of the road", it's the end of "growing up". People will know about the perfection just like they know they already grew up... At least it will be very similar feeling.

[Redbelle]

Seival wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

Who decides when we reach a barrier? When do we know we have reached a barrier?

Perfection is not "the end of the road", it's the end of "growing up". People will know about the perfection just like they know they already grew up... At least it will be very similar feeling.

So in saying people will know, you concede that people can feel and those feeling are an important factor. But dismiss those feelings when people pipe up and say we don't want to be synthesised. To which you have, in the past, advocated concentration camp style reservations to forcibily change individuals. This again, constitutes a violation of human rights.

And how can you describe perfection as being the same as growing up when, to my knowledge, no one has undergone synthesis to provide a witness testimony, other than the writing's of a script developer who was pressed into service after the fans vented their feelings regarding the quality of the written narrative? A torrent of feeling which resulted in synthesis, amoung others, being given an extended monologue cutscene.

And finally, how is being grown up/synthesised any different from not being synthesised. Ppl will continue to live their lives, but on their own terms. Likewise. Anything that is achievable post synthesis cannot be ruled as being unacheivable pre or rejecting synthesis.

Modifié par Redbelle, 02 novembre 2012 - 10:08 .

[Seival]

Redbelle wrote...

Seival wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

Who decides when we reach a barrier? When do we know we have reached a barrier?

Perfection is not "the end of the road", it's the end of "growing up". People will know about the perfection just like they know they already grew up... At least it will be very similar feeling.

So in saying people will know, you concede that people can feel and those feeling are an important factor. But dismiss those feelings when people pipe up and say we don't want to be synthesised. To which you have, in the past, advocated concentration camp style reservations to forcibily change individuals. This again, constitutes a violation of human rights.

And how can you describe perfection as being the same as growing up when, to my knowledge, no one has undergone synthesis to provide a witness testimony, other than the writing's of a script developer who was pressed into service after the fans vented their feelings regarding the quality of the written narrative? A torrent of feeling which resulted in synthesis, amoung others, being given an extended monologue cutscene.

And finally, how is being grown up/synthesised any different from not being synthesised. Ppl will continue to live their lives, but on their own terms. Likewise. Anything that is achievable post synthesis cannot be ruled as being unacheivable pre or rejecting synthesis.

You can't give everyone abilities which only Synthesis provides without Synthesizing people. You can give something similar, but that would be artificial, that will not last forever, and that will not end good. Without the deepest possible connection between all organic and synthetic life history will always repeat itself. Each time everything will end up in a new Overlord, or Cycled Harvests. Artificial solutions will ruin themselves and millions of lives, and everything will start from the beginning. Again and again...

...That's why at some point of evolution the nature itself has to be changed. No "Overlords" or "Cycled Harvests" will be needed anymore. Organics and synthetics will stop being aliens to each other. And only Shepard-Catalyst can make the process of Synthesizing smooth and proper.

It's in the power of Catalyst to disable some particular Mass Relays. People who are not ready to Synthesis can be given more time to think. The rest of the galaxy can be Synthesized without Mass Relays' explosions. Shepard-Catalyst can explain everything and prepare everyone. Without any forcing.



That's why my favorite ending is Control. And that's why I believe Synthesis is inevitable.

Modifié par Seival, 04 novembre 2012 - 01:48 .

[The Grinning Psychopath]

i think my favorite reason to chose control, and what everyone should make clear to all the people who hate it is... this.

if you chose control, you get to boss the council around, see f they want to "Dismiss" this ****ing claim, when its got its blaster aimed directly into their faces.

i bet that'd get a lot more people onboard with Control. in Destroy, if you survive you probably end up at least partly blamed for all of this, council probably says of how if you'd only warned them more properly of the dangers and stuff that all of it could have been avoided!! and all that crap.

heh, but if you chose control and you're NOT a goody goody two shoes, hell even if you are... heh no way in hell anyone is putting you down, and calling you a madperson anymore.

ahhhh... if only... if only i could drive one or more of my Reapers on to the Council, confront them, and project a hologram or something of my Shepard, and then proceed to give them the most smug look possible, aim my reaper cannons at them, and ask them if they still dismiss my claims hehehheheheeh ahhh...

god i hated those smug arrogant bastards... ahhh so much to love about control.

[CrutchCricket]

^ OMG great idea for a cartoon: A Reaper cornering a scared aging punk guy.

Caption: Shepard still remembers his high school bullies.

[Argolas]

The Grinning Psychopath wrote...

i think my favorite reason to chose control, and what everyone should make clear to all the people who hate it is... this.

if you chose control, you get to boss the council around, see f they want to "Dismiss" this ****ing claim, when its got its blaster aimed directly into their faces.

i bet that'd get a lot more people onboard with Control. in Destroy, if you survive you probably end up at least partly blamed for all of this, council probably says of how if you'd only warned them more properly of the dangers and stuff that all of it could have been avoided!! and all that crap.

heh, but if you chose control and you're NOT a goody goody two shoes, hell even if you are... heh no way in hell anyone is putting you down, and calling you a madperson anymore.

ahhhh... if only... if only i could drive one or more of my Reapers on to the Council, confront them, and project a hologram or something of my Shepard, and then proceed to give them the most smug look possible, aim my reaper cannons at them, and ask them if they still dismiss my claims hehehheheheeh ahhh...

god i hated those smug arrogant bastards... ahhh so much to love about control.

As if a child is given a gun...

[CroGamer002]

CrutchCricket wrote...

^ OMG great idea for a cartoon: A Reaper cornering a scared aging punk guy.

Caption: Shepard still remembers his high school bullies.

[Shermos]

CrutchCricket wrote...

^ OMG great idea for a cartoon: A Reaper cornering a scared aging punk guy.

Caption: Shepard still remembers his high school bullies.

lol, Somebody, please make this. I would myself, but my drawing skills aren't fantastic.

[DirtyPhoenix]

CrutchCricket wrote...

^ OMG great idea for a cartoon: A Reaper cornering a scared aging punk guy.

Caption: Shepard still remembers his high school bullies.

Ahhahahahah lmfao. I died just imagining that.

[ubermensch007]

Afer playing the Leviathan DLC again. I believe now more than ever that Control is the right choice or at least the best of tthe hree options if the good of the galaxy is your greatest concern... The race that created the Catalyst had the best of intentions. It was suppose to preserve intelligent life not destroy it.

Control is the only option that allows Commander Shepard to preserve all life as nature created it.

Destroy wipes out the geth and EDI.

Synthesis transforms everyone into something new. The geth haven't even had time to come to grips with thier new existence by uploading the Reaper Code and now thier being remade again. Its ridiculos!

And to those who think Control is enslavement. Your wrong... In order to be enslaved one must have a will of thier own.After what we learn from Leviathan it seems like Reapers are a more advanced version of Husk.They were once human but aren`t now. The first Reapers -- Harbinger included were once whatever Leviathan`s race are called.

'Control' is not enslavement its self-defense. If someone is trying to impose thier will upon you ( which the Reapers are up to in ME3) the only way to stop them is to impose your will upon them.That is what self-defense is... We all have a Fight or Flight response, but the option to flee from the Reapers is not on the table. There is no where that we can go that they can`t follow.There ships are faster.Fuel source greater.It would be like trying to out-run The Flash... And as Lieutenat Kyle Reese said to Sarah Conner:

"Listen and understand. The Reapers are out there. They can`t be bargined with. They can`t be reasoned with. They don`t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead."

So as Shepard put it, "We fight or we die. That`s the plan." You win a fight by doing more damage to your opponent than they do to you. A fight is a battle of wills. And your will must prevail...

[Seival]

Welcome

[azerSheppard]

Seival wrote..

So, what is the Control ending about?... First of all it's about the ultimate self-sacrifice. Commander Shepard sacrifices her/his life in order to give birth to the new Catalyst, which is a collective mind of all Reapers. She/he looses her/his connection to the organic beings, and becomes an AI with unlimited processing power, with Commander Shepard's way of thinking, and with Commander Shepard's memories. And depending on who is she/he Paragon or Renegade, she/he becomes the Defender, or the Dictator. Defender or Dictator who still cares about Galactic Civilization and people she/he used to know and love.

What does it mean for Commander Shepard to become The Reapers in terms of feelings and emotions she/he has?... Even synthetic intelligent beings have feelings but they work differently than organic feelings. Organic feelings are chemistry, while synthetic feelings are physics. In other words, organics can suffer or inspire by feelings, while synthetics can't. But that doesn't mean that synthetic feelings are not real. They are real, but they just work differently. Organic feelings are a product of much more complicated processes that occur on much deeper levels of existance. For example, if organic suffer from pain, she/he can do nothing about it except using painkillers, which are... yes - chemistry. Synthetic feels pain in other way - it sense damage taken and notice it, but the pain will never drive the synthetic mad. It can take any amount of pain for as long as needed and remain 100% calm... The similar for all other feelings.


Without human body disadvantages new Catalyst will be incorruptible, and will never desire to abuse its power. Commander Shepard's way of thinking and her/his memories will guide The Reapers and Galactic Civilization to the future with limitless possibilities.

...For me Control is the only choice I can make. And the Illusive Man was right indeed. It's sad that he has chosen wrong ways to try to Assume Direct Control, and so ended up in the trap made mostly of his own corrupted delusions. Let's not forget that without TIM's help Commander Shepard could never become the new Catalist. TIM deserves compassion, because he was a victim of his own "too Renegade way of thinking", and still had some tiny pieces of good inside. Good, that actually helped Commander Shepard and everyone else.

How can control be the ultimate self-sacrifice if you assume he lives on, albeit in a different form?
Isn't Sythesis the true self-sacrifice? Sheperd gets disintegrated completely for the good of others?
I doubt the AI Sheperd has unlimited processing power, as he is part of a limited system therefore any quantitative aspect is limited within said system.
It doesnt matter wheter he was paragon or renegade, the AI Sheperd evolves far beyond our understanding, even beyond the Reapers own understanding.
The way AI's are portrayed in the ME universe, they can indeed go for the lack of a better word go "crazy".
Chemistry is nothing more than the 4 forces of nature forcing matter to react/bind. Chemistry is therefore by default just an extension of physics.

[Vored]

I'm also a supporter of control. The one thing I'll never understand is why everyone wants to let the Reapers fly into a sun.

It makes no sense; Shepard sacrificed her physical lifeform to gain control of the Reapers and use them to protect or to have a giant army. Why assume control when you want to destroy them?

[CrutchCricket]

Because some people have no imagination.

[Steelcan]

Vored wrote...

I'm also a supporter of control. The one thing I'll never understand is why everyone wants to let the Reapers fly into a sun.

It makes no sense; Shepard sacrificed her physical lifeform to gain control of the Reapers and use them to protect or to have a giant army. Why assume control when you want to destroy them?

so they can have them fix the relays then dissapear

[Seival]

azerSheppard wrote...

Seival wrote..

So, what is the Control ending about?... First of all it's about the ultimate self-sacrifice. Commander Shepard sacrifices her/his life in order to give birth to the new Catalyst, which is a collective mind of all Reapers. She/he looses her/his connection to the organic beings, and becomes an AI with unlimited processing power, with Commander Shepard's way of thinking, and with Commander Shepard's memories. And depending on who is she/he Paragon or Renegade, she/he becomes the Defender, or the Dictator. Defender or Dictator who still cares about Galactic Civilization and people she/he used to know and love.

What does it mean for Commander Shepard to become The Reapers in terms of feelings and emotions she/he has?... Even synthetic intelligent beings have feelings but they work differently than organic feelings. Organic feelings are chemistry, while synthetic feelings are physics. In other words, organics can suffer or inspire by feelings, while synthetics can't. But that doesn't mean that synthetic feelings are not real. They are real, but they just work differently. Organic feelings are a product of much more complicated processes that occur on much deeper levels of existance. For example, if organic suffer from pain, she/he can do nothing about it except using painkillers, which are... yes - chemistry. Synthetic feels pain in other way - it sense damage taken and notice it, but the pain will never drive the synthetic mad. It can take any amount of pain for as long as needed and remain 100% calm... The similar for all other feelings.


Without human body disadvantages new Catalyst will be incorruptible, and will never desire to abuse its power. Commander Shepard's way of thinking and her/his memories will guide The Reapers and Galactic Civilization to the future with limitless possibilities.

...For me Control is the only choice I can make. And the Illusive Man was right indeed. It's sad that he has chosen wrong ways to try to Assume Direct Control, and so ended up in the trap made mostly of his own corrupted delusions. Let's not forget that without TIM's help Commander Shepard could never become the new Catalist. TIM deserves compassion, because he was a victim of his own "too Renegade way of thinking", and still had some tiny pieces of good inside. Good, that actually helped Commander Shepard and everyone else.

How can control be the ultimate self-sacrifice if you assume he lives on, albeit in a different form?
Isn't Sythesis the true self-sacrifice? Sheperd gets disintegrated completely for the good of others?
I doubt the AI Sheperd has unlimited processing power, as he is part of a limited system therefore any quantitative aspect is limited within said system.
It doesnt matter wheter he was paragon or renegade, the AI Sheperd evolves far beyond our understanding, even beyond the Reapers own understanding.
The way AI's are portrayed in the ME universe, they can indeed go for the lack of a better word go "crazy".
Chemistry is nothing more than the 4 forces of nature forcing matter to react/bind. Chemistry is therefore by default just an extension of physics.

Do you realize who lives on in case of Control? It's not Shepard. Shepard dies. The Catalyst lives on, but now it thinks like Shepard, and has all her memories. Choosing Control is literally giving everything you have to the Catalyst for the greater good. This is why it is ultimate self-sacrifice, just like Synthesis.

And the way AIs are portrayed in ME universe only shows that none of those AIs ever gone crazy. It only shows they are really able to self-determine and make their own decisions. You can agree or disagree with those decisions just like you can agree or disagree with decisions of organic beings.

Modifié par Seival, 21 décembre 2012 - 12:45 .

[Seival]

Steelcan wrote...

Vored wrote...

I'm also a supporter of control. The one thing I'll never understand is why everyone wants to let the Reapers fly into a sun.

It makes no sense; Shepard sacrificed her physical lifeform to gain control of the Reapers and use them to protect or to have a giant army. Why assume control when you want to destroy them?

so they can have them fix the relays then dissapear

Destroy epilogue shows that Relays can be repaired even without the Reapers' help. I suppose Leviathans actually fix the Relays (using galactic civilization thralls for that) in case of Destroy...

...Control is the unique ending. It was never intended to be an "alternate Destroy", I think it's obvious.

[CroGamer002]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Because some people have no imagination.

Or refuse to have on this ending, due to narrow minded ideas.

[Seival]

It's time to remind people that Control ending has quite a lot of supporters...