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[Ageless Face]

Jamie9 wrote...


I'm keeping an open mind to all options for the Extended Cut. If IT turns out to be true, I'm still going to stick with control. That was my first option so it's my "canon" option.

I just really hope that IT will never come to be true. And if it will, no one will get screwed by it.

[CroGamer002]

Control ending is almost passable ending, in this current form.

Mainly since it gives a lot of headcanon.

Like this one:



And you know, EDI and geth live while no evil thing like Synthesis.

And it doesn't make you scratch your head on how you achieve it.
You know, NOT shooting component of Crucible or jumping in some laser.

[111987]

Vox Draco wrote...

Control = Collaboration
Synthesis = Surrender
Destroy = Defiance

Collaboration implies an equal relationship between Shepard and the Reapers. Which isn't true.

Control = Domination

[dreamgazer]

I do not agree with the position, but I'm intrigued to see the elaboration that funnels into this general think-tank thread.

May I throw out an initial topic of discussion: the mental willpower it'd take to maintain direct control of these Reapers, and how it pertains to Shepard specifically.

[CroGamer002]

Jamie9 wrote...

Except TIM was wrong. He would have used it for evil.

I use it for good. Shepard rebuilds the Relays and then flies the Reapers into a sun. All is good in the land of Mass Effect.

Same story here, bro.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

"I WILL DESTROY YOU!" Sorry I couldn't resist.

[Leafs43]

HagarIshay wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...


I'm keeping an open mind to all options for the Extended Cut. If IT turns out to be true, I'm still going to stick with control. That was my first option so it's my "canon" option.

I just really hope that IT will never come to be true. And if it will, no one will get screwed by it.

brb, fight whole game against TIM, side with TIM the paragon in the end.

brb, reapers are actually good guys, here are their car keys.

brb, disregard everything your friend Anderson told you

brb, millions of years old genocidal machines are now tools for good.

brb,Harbinger tells you your mind is his, conciously upload your brain into the reapers.

Edited by Leafs43, 27 May 2012 - 05:28 PM.

[Ageless Face]

dreamgazer wrote...

I do not agree with the position, but I'm intrigued to see the elaboration that funnels into this general think-tank thread.

May I throw out an initial topic of discussion: the mental willpower it'd take to maintain direct control of these Reapers, and how it pertains to Shepard specifically.

The technolegy of the crucible is far more advanced than the organics of the Mass Effect timeline. There might not even be a problem of willpower.

[Jamie9]

dreamgazer wrote...

I do not agree with the position, but I'm intrigued to see the elaboration that funnels into this general think-tank thread.

May I throw out an initial topic of discussion: the mental willpower it'd take to maintain direct control of these Reapers, and how it pertains to Shepard specifically.

Sure. I think there's a good case to make to say Shepard could keep control indefinitely. Throughout the trilogy Shepard is constantly referred to as "strong-willed" by numerous allies and enemies.

But I, personally, don't think a human mind could sustain itself for that length of time. Certainly not 50,000 years. Which is why my Shepard plans to destroy the Reapers in some way, through self-sabotage, throwing them into a sun, placing them in terrible military positions and the Allies blow them up.

We don't know. But I can't imagine any human staying sane for that length of time.

[mass perfection]

Synthesis makes Reapers your allies so that means there's no point in Control.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

lol, pro-Destroy camp is insufferable. What's so wrong with making a thread supporting Control? They just attack everything that isn't their path.

[Lookout1390]

Hell no.

It's them, or us.

Destroy, all day erry day

[Ageless Face]

mass perfection wrote...

Synthesis makes Reapers your allies so that means there's no point in Control.

Control is dominating the reapers. Why wouldn't there be a point to it?

[Jamie9]

mass perfection wrote...

Synthesis makes Reapers your allies so that means there's no point in Control.

First, let me say that this is my opinion, and I respect your opinion to choose synthesis.

Personally, synthesis is morally wrong to me, so it is out of the question. It homogenises the galaxy and violates free will and the right to choose.

Destroy kills the Geth, which is morally wrong. It would hurt the Quarians too, by way of them not being able to live on Rannoch for 300+ years.

Control has no ethical issues for me, as the Reapers are a mockery of life. They need to be destroyed, but we must not sacrifice our morals in the process. There is always another way.

[Lookout1390]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

lol, pro-Destroy camp is insufferable. What's so wrong with making a thread supporting Control? They just attack everything that isn't their path.

You realize the same can be said for just about every thread about 'my choice was right because'.

Everyone is trying to make their choice sound like the correct one, when really it's just left up to us to decide what is right.

Even though I think all 3 are equally ****ty, and don't really solve the over-arching problem.

[Vox Draco]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

lol, pro-Destroy camp is insufferable. What's so wrong with making a thread supporting Control? They just attack everything that isn't their path.

Why bother? Pro-Destroy-Posts pointing out how control/synthesis is following in the Reaper's footsteps will keep these kind of threads on the frontpage, and both sides can battle each other for the ultimate truth (which, of course is red!)

It is win-win for everybody!

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

I'd be more willing to choose Control if Shepard actually survived. Vaporizing and becoming the new Catalyst or whatever the hell actually happens is just dumb.

[CroGamer002]

Vox Draco wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

lol, pro-Destroy camp is insufferable. What's so wrong with making a thread supporting Control? They just attack everything that isn't their path.

Why bother? Pro-Destroy-Posts pointing out how control/synthesis is following in the Reaper's footsteps will keep these kind of threads on the frontpage, and both sides can battle each other for the ultimate truth (which, of course is red!)

It is win-win for everybody!

What ultimate truth?

If it's IT, then stop posting here.

Edited by Mesina2, 27 May 2012 - 05:47 PM.

[Funkdrspot]

On my first playthrough I thought control was a fitting way to go. " Yeah my Shep would totally give himself for the greater good of the galaxy"

But then I started thinking:

- I've spent something like 150 hours playing this Shep and his explicit goal was nothing less than the destruction of the reapers

- The goal of everyone else who has been indoctrinated has either been submission or control

- The reapers MAIN weapon isn't brute strength, it's coercion and manipulation.

- Before the starkid, we had JUST told TIM that the risk is too great to try control since he'd be betting the fate of the galaxy on it. We convinced him enough for him to an hero

- 5 min later the starkid utters 2 sentences and all of a sudden i'm supposed to take him, master of manipulation and coercion, at his word that Shep can control the reapers?! He says NOTHING of significance to make me suddenly change my beliefs and he offers even less proof. Even the way he introduces control is suspicious, "....or do you THINK you can control us?"

Edited by Funkdrspot, 27 May 2012 - 05:52 PM.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Vox Draco wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

lol, pro-Destroy camp is insufferable. What's so wrong with making a thread supporting Control? They just attack everything that isn't their path.

Why bother? Pro-Destroy-Posts pointing out how control/synthesis is following in the Reaper's footsteps will keep these kind of threads on the frontpage, and both sides can battle each other for the ultimate truth (which, of course is red!)

Pro-Destroy is the forum's lowest-common-denominator, nothing more. They go on about "oh hurr control/synthesis = raeperz win!" and dont' qualify it with any evidence, they just call its supporters indoctrinated.

Indoctrinated is them. They are mindlessly controlled by fear.

Edited by HYR 2.0, 27 May 2012 - 05:49 PM.

[Seival]

mass perfection wrote...

Synthesis makes Reapers your allies so that means there's no point in Control.

Synthesis turns everyone into hasks, so Reapers just have no more material to harvest... This is the worst possible ending - organic life in the entire galaxy was destroyed.

[Cadeym]

Control:
1) The arrogance behind the thought that any one person knows what is best for everyone else... galactic dictatorship. Shepard could go bonkers and simply decide to continue the cycle.
2) TIM supports it.

Synthesis:
1) Galactic genocide.
2) This does not prevent the construction of synthetics, and the reapers are free to return or even continue their current cycle.

Destruction:
1) The death of all Geth or possibly everyone and everything.
2) The death of the Reapers who were under the control of the Catalyst. We still don't know whether or not they did any of it by their own free will.

I vote for a stay of execution... and demand that more information is provided before passing judgement.

Edited by Mouseraider, 27 May 2012 - 05:52 PM.

[Jamie9]

I can see this thread about to devolve so I'm going to attempt to save it.

Objectivity. Yes, that word is something the human race needs to remember. Because it is the true hope for our race. It's okay to not like things. It is. But it's okay for other people to like those things you don't like.

If you argue something and say "I'm right, you're wrong", everything you've said is forfeit, because you aren't arguing objectively, and you must.

I picked control. I despise synthesis. But I don't attack people for choosing it, it is their right. It makes the world interesting that people can be completely opposed to me, and yet justify themselves.

Education should teach objectivity, Critical Thinking at A-level isn't enough. It should be mandatory.

[dreamgazer]

HagarIshay wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

I do not agree with the position, but I'm intrigued to see the elaboration that funnels into this general think-tank thread.

May I throw out an initial topic of discussion: the mental willpower it'd take to maintain direct control of these Reapers, and how it pertains to Shepard specifically.

The technolegy of the crucible is far more advanced than the organics of the Mass Effect timeline. There might not even be a problem of willpower.

Perhaps, but it's still a technology erected by organics, which may or may not be fallible over a prolonged period of time. And piloted by what was once a human. The key will get the motor running perfectly, but how long can the motor run?

Let's also not forget Project Overlord, which adds both feasibility and unreliability to the conversation---as well as an element of mental integrity.

[Velocithon]

So you like TIM and his ideals?

Okay.